Ellen Degeneres Called 'Transphobic' After Liza Minnelli Oscars Joke

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    Mar 04, 2014 2:30 AM GMT
    What an overreaction.

    Ellen DeGeneres took to the stage last night to host the 2014 Academy Awards and one joke made by the comedian about actress Liza Minnelli has some people seeing red.

    “Hello to the best Liza Minnelli impersonator I’ve ever seen,” DeGeneres joked about the icon who has been a favorite subject for female impersonators and drag artists over the years. “Good job, sir.”

    As the Washington Post (who referred to Minnelli as a "rumored plastic surgery devotee") notes, a number of people took to Twitter to express their outrage, with some calling the comment "transphobic." Prominent director Bruce LaBruce was among those to be critical of the Minnelli joke.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/03/ellen-degeneres-transphobic_n_4890369.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/03/02/internet-consensus-degeneres-liza-minnelli-joke-mean-transphobic/
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:33 AM GMT
    I watched that yesterday live so there were not subtitles and I didnt understand what she said, now i know ha!
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:33 AM GMT
    Uh..twitterers...drag queen and cross dressing performers are not transwomen.

    Oh, the stupid is strong. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:55 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidProminent director Bruce LaBruce was among those to be critical of the Minnelli joke.

    Bruce La WHO???

    Oh, THIS "prominent" director, with a body of work that mostly reads like something from an XXX porn catalog:

    Short films
    Boy, Girl (1987)
    I Know What It's Like to Be Dead (1987)
    Bruce and Pepper Wayne Gacy's Home Movies (1988 ), co-directed with Candy Parker
    A Case for the Closet (1992)
    The Post Queer Tour (1992)
    Slam! (1992)
    Come As You Are (2000)
    Give Piece of Ass a Chance (2007)
    The Bad Breast, or The Case of Theda Lange (2010)
    Weekend in Alphaville (2010)

    Feature films [featured where, I wonder?]
    No Skin Off My Ass (1993)
    Super 8½ (1993)
    Hustler White (1996)
    Skin Flick / Skin Gang (1999)
    The Raspberry Reich (2004)
    Otto; or Up with Dead People (200icon_cool.gif
    L.A. Zombie (2010)
    Gerontophilia (2013)
    Pierrot Lunaire (2014)
    Ulrike's Brain (TBA)


    And this is a guy who finds fault with a Liza joke?
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:03 AM GMT
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    David3000 saidI watched that yesterday live so there were not subtitles and I didnt understand what she said, now i know ha!


    I thought you spoke and understood English


    Nah since I never got to practice it for real my speaking and specially my listening are kinda crappy lol
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:22 AM GMT
    I consider myself PC, a muppet even (how you doin', Kiwi), but I don't see how this was a transphobic comment.
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:46 AM GMT
    Some people try so hard to be offended. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:10 AM GMT
    If anything, she should be judged on how terrible she was hosting. God, she was so lame and so unfunny.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:12 AM GMT
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidI watched that yesterday live so there were not subtitles and I didnt understand what she said, now i know ha!


    I thought you spoke and understood English


    Nah since I never got to practice it for real my speaking and specially my listening are kinda crappy lol


    So how exactly are you talking to me right now?

    This is not my speaking nor my listening, this is my writing! (I can read and write pretty well)
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:23 AM GMT
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidI watched that yesterday live so there were not subtitles and I didnt understand what she said, now i know ha!


    I thought you spoke and understood English


    Nah since I never got to practice it for real my speaking and specially my listening are kinda crappy lol


    So how exactly are you talking to me right now?

    This is not my speaking nor my listening, this is my writing! (I can read and write pretty well)


    And I might add, to a degree that you can be seen as a Native English speaker.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:30 AM GMT
    Thanks Unnamed5!

    And Isaiah I didnt say I cant speak at all of course I can but I have a strong accent, and if I watch a movie (and they speak fast or with accents) I miss like a 30% of it, like the Liza Minelly comment.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:58 AM GMT
    I would wager that this is a GOP attack. Gay drag queens have been playing Liza for years. Nobody is stupid enough to buy this. Find the source, and I bet you will find that the GOP created it. Drag does not equal Trans.
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    Mar 04, 2014 5:11 AM GMT
    meninlove said Uh..twitterers...drag queen and cross dressing performers are not transwomen.

    Oh, the stupid is strong. icon_lol.gif



    Yes.
    Yes, yes, yes.
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    Mar 04, 2014 1:58 PM GMT
    The joke was not phobic by any means but it was disrespectful. Even Hollywood has its double standards.
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:01 PM GMT
    I was surprised by how - not funny Ellen's opening speech was. I thought it was a tacky comment. I think the speech writers thought she could pull it off because she's a lesbian. If it were a straight man, it would have definitely been offensive.

    Overall she was disappointing as a host which is hard for me to say because I am an Ellen fan.
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:22 PM GMT
    TheQuest saidI was surprised by how - not funny Ellen's opening speech was. I thought it was a tacky comment. I think the speech writers thought she could pull it off because she's a lesbian. If it were a straight man, it would have definitely been offensive.

    Overall she was disappointing as a host which is hard for me to say because I am an Ellen fan.


    Me Too, exactly the same thought and I also love her.

    -bunch of crap that will blow over in a week.
    What won't blow away is the self'y and now we'll see it on every live show, everywhere.
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:37 PM GMT
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidI watched that yesterday live so there were not subtitles and I didnt understand what she said, now i know ha!


    I thought you spoke and understood English


    Nah since I never got to practice it for real my speaking and specially my listening are kinda crappy lol


    So how exactly are you talking to me right now?

    This is not my speaking nor my listening, this is my writing! (I can read and write pretty well)
    when you do foreign languages there are different sub types in the lessons reading, writing, listening and speaking i was good at others and some not so well.

    How can simple things that get said publicly get blown out of proportion and always be offensive in this world???
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:42 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI would wager that this is a GOP attack. Gay drag queens have been playing Liza for years. Nobody is stupid enough to buy this. Find the source, and I bet you will find that the GOP created it. Drag does not equal Trans.

    +1
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    Mar 04, 2014 7:28 PM GMT
    Wow, Muricans really do get offended easily huh?
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    Mar 04, 2014 8:13 PM GMT
    I hope Ellen gives those people a big "screw you"! And then invite them to her show!
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    Mar 04, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
    I was seeing a "top 10 Oscar moments" in a random page and #6 was "Jimmy Kimmel awkward attempt to troll the celebration" and then #5 said "Only surpased by Ellen Degenres awkward joke to Liza Minelly". So this is real.
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    I just saw the clip.

    Give me a fucking break - nothing "transphobic" about that AT ALL.
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:39 PM GMT
    The joke:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZhEo5trIIE
    The aftermath:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1otiRcZk2A
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidThe joke:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZhEo5trIIE
    The aftermath:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1otiRcZk2A



    "[Liza Minelli] is sure that Ellen was filled with the best of intentions".

    I understand that Minelli may have been annoyed by the joke, but I think it was pretty damn obvious that it wasn't a jab against her. Perhaps Ellen should address this on her show saying that she and Minelli are close friends, love each other and yada yada so that everyone is happy again. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidThe joke:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZhEo5trIIE
    The aftermath:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1otiRcZk2A


    .....which is a whole different matter, and I agree with Ms Minnelli. Ellen could have swooped in to Liza right after delivering the joke and given her a hug telling everyone they're good buddies and thanks for being a sport. A human touch means everything.