Group of Republicans from Western states working to help overturn gay marriage bans

  • metta

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    Mar 04, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    Group of Republicans from Western states working to help overturn gay marriage bans

    A group of 20 Republicans from the American West lead by two former US senators are joining court battles over same-sex marriage on the side of the LGBTI community
    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/group-republicans-western-states-working-help-overturn-gay-marriage-bans040314
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    Mar 04, 2014 7:46 AM GMT
    It's the West. The West has always been a more libertarian or socially progressive region.

    It's where the right to bear arms is cherished the most. It's where women's suffrage began. It's where prostitution is legal (Nevada).

    I'm not surprised.
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    Mar 04, 2014 7:48 AM GMT
    Senator Alan K Simpson

    Good man and fair. Always has been.
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    Broseph saidWow. GOP opposition to my family is down to 60%! We're almost home!


    "found growing support for same-sex marriage among Republicans in 2014 with 40% now thinking it should be legal – up from 24% in 2012"
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
    Nancy Kassenbaum has always been very moderate.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 04, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
    This is awesome news for the GOP. Things are starting to change for the better. The democrats will finally have some stiff, serious competition for the gay vote. I am very excited about this eventicon_biggrin.gif
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    roadbikeRob saidThis is awesome news for the GOP. Things are starting to change for the better. The democrats will finally have some stiff, serious competition for the gay vote. I am very excited about this eventicon_biggrin.gif


    We're too old to be stiff. We're so old that 'gay' meant happy at one time long ago.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
    I am sure that many of the loyal sycophants of the democratic party here on realjock AKA. EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS will not be too happy about the GOP reaching out to our community. They will cook up some corny excuses never to trust ANY REPUBLICANS and will always view the GOP as a despicable enemy that needs to be vanquished. OH well, that is their horrendous loss.icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Broseph saidWow. GOP opposition to my family is down to 60%! We're almost home!


    "found growing support for same-sex marriage among Republicans in 2014 with 40% now thinking it should be legal – up from 24% in 2012"


    I really enjoy this, obviously; one of the reasons I do is that events of the last year make the Supreme Court's decision on Prop. 8, which they will deliver this June, increasingly difficult for the conservative judges. As it becomes increasingly clear that the consensus of the country is trending that gay marriage is a civil right, the court risks ending up on the wrong side of history if it suggests otherwise. I'm sure even fatheads like Alito and Scalia don't want to be known as justices that rendered the historical equivalent of the Dred Scott decision or Plessy v. Ferguson. And Roberts, in particular, though a social conservative, is sensitive to this historial element. It will be a fascinating decision, no doubt, probably one that tries to square the circle by upholding the striking down of Prop. 8 but trying to limit its applicability to California alone.
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    It's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.
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    Mar 04, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!
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    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!




    When 75% of gay Americans continue to vote for Democratic candidates (as we did in the 2012 election) and many straight Americans continue to express disgust with the anti-gay bigotry of the Repub party - the Repubs will get the message and back down from their ugly bigoted rhetoric and policies.

    We will win and they will lose.
    It's just a matter of time.
  • madsexy

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    Mar 04, 2014 9:10 PM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?
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    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?




    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?


    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.

    Thanks. Yet on the other hand our taxes are approaching the level of a Socialist country, without the social benefits. It's tough to support either party's economic policy.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 04, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?


    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.

    Thanks. Yet on the other hand our taxes are approaching the level of a Socialist country, without the social benefits. It's tough to support either party's economic policy.
    This is why it is time to end the democrat-republican duopoly and elect members from alternative political parties and independents. It is time for fresh, new ideas in American governance not more of the same old.
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    madsexy said
    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?


    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.

    Thanks. Yet on the other hand our taxes are approaching the level of a Socialist country, without the social benefits. It's tough to support either party's economic policy.
    This is why it is time to end the democrat-republican duopoly and elect members from alternative political parties and independents. It is time for fresh, new ideas in American governance not more of the same old.

    Until the United States has a parliamentary-type government, more than two parties cannot be accommodated in any meaningful way.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 04, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
    as an outside viewer and from what i have learnd in american history, its either they will go along with the flow, or dissapear.
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    madsexy said
    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?


    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.

    Thanks. Yet on the other hand our taxes are approaching the level of a Socialist country, without the social benefits. It's tough to support either party's economic policy.



    The idea that there's been a massive hike in tax rates by the Democrats is nonsense.

    At the end of 2012 - President Obama and the Democrats refused to extend the failed Bush tax cuts for the rich and allowed the tax rates to return to where they were back in the 1990's under Clinton when we had one of the longest strongest economic booms in US history.
    At that time, President Obama and the Democrats tried to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and to merely end the tax cuts for the rich - but the Repubs refused to vote to give middle class Americans a tax cut - because they said that if the rich weren't going to get to keep their tax cuts - then they didn't want middle class Americans to get one either.
    So the Repubs really only care about cutting taxes for the richest 1-2%.

    And the tax rates today are nowhere near the highest levels we've had in our country's history.
    Back in the economic boom years of the 1950's and 1960's - under both Democratic and Republican presidencies - the top tax rate was 90% - more than twice the top tax rate of today.
    Was the America of the 50's and 60's a "Socialist country"?
    Hardly.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    It is an accelerating process and thankfully, even the blind can see. Did you know that all murders, thieves, liars and criminals of all kinds were born of heterosexual parents? Love and care in the family unit would have prevented most if not all of these societal ills.
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    RickRick91 said
    The idea that there's been a massive hike in tax rates by the Democrats is nonsense.

    At the end of 2012 - President Obama and the Democrats refused to extend the failed Bush tax cuts for the rich and allowed the tax rates to return to where they were back in the 1990's under Clinton when we had one of the longest strongest economic booms in US history.
    At that time, President Obama and the Democrats tried to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and to merely end the tax cuts for the rich - but the Repubs refused to vote to give middle class Americans a tax cut - because they said that if the rich weren't going to get to keep their tax cuts - then they didn't want middle class Americans to get one either.
    So the Repubs really only care about cutting taxes for the richest 1-2%.

    And the tax rates today are nowhere near the highest levels we've had in our country's history.
    Back in the economic boom years of the 1950's and 1960's - under both Democratic and Republican presidencies - the top tax rate was 90% - more than twice the top tax rate of today.
    Was the America of the 50's and 60's a "Socialist country"?
    Hardly.



    So much material, but I've been through it all with you over and over again, so I'll just say RickRick, what you have written is not the actual truth, rather it is your interpretation of the truth and you make false equivalences, i.e. now that we're back to the Clinton rates for "the rich" where's the booming economy? It should be booming according to you because the tax rates on "the rich" are now where they were under Clinton.

    But I'll stop. Anyone interested in going around in circles again on this, be my guest.



    The 90% was the top MARGINAL rate and during those days just about anything and everything was deductable ... so much so that the average marginal rate has remained a few % points of the same over the years.

    And speaking of the Bush tax cuts, look at the increase in revenue from 2004 to 2005 when they went into effect

    photo deficittoGDP.png

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/113012-635352-bush-tax-cuts-did-not-cause-deficits.htm?p=full

    And yet the deficit to GDP ratio kept falling. Looks pretty good to me. We also had the longest uninterrupted period of job growth of 52 months and the longest consecutive GDP growth of 26 quarters.
  • creature

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    Mar 05, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
    A Friend of the Court brief? I guess that's something icon_rolleyes.gif It's an effort of sorts.

    But if they recently voted for, or will vote for Republican candidates who support a gay marriage ban in their respective states, I'm not sure how they are helping.

    For the most part they have relied on Democratic judges, or judges appointed by a Democrat, to get those bans deemed unconstitutional.
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    Mar 05, 2014 1:32 AM GMT
    this is why you cant generalize.....
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    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    RickRick91 said
    madsexy said
    Lincsbear said
    RickRick91 saidIt's nice that a few Repubs are bowing to pressure and public opinion and are disavowing the anti-gay bigotry of the vast majority of the Repub party.

    This - along with Jan Brewer's veto of one of the anti-gay bills in AZ - shows that the Repubs are starting to recognize that a majority of Americans think the official Repub party bias against gay Americans is disgusting and unfair.

    We must keep up the pressure - because as of now the pro-gay Repubs are a lonely few and the overwhelming majority of the party is still pushing legislation that would make gay Americans second class citizens.

    And the motivation behind this slight movement toward embracing gay rights in the Repub party is not one of solidarity for gay Americans.
    The Repubs who are dropping anti-gay rhetoric have been motivated by the movement in THE POLLS against anti-gay bigotry.
    They're NOT motivated by concern for our equal rights.

    The majority of the Repub party still must be viewed as our enemy because the party still supports policies that would make us less than equal to straight Americans.
    It's right there in their own official Repub party platform - where they state very clearly that the Repub party opposes any marriage that's not between a man and a woman.
    Their own words in their own platform indict them.


    Oh so slowly, the electoral truth is beginning to dawn on some of the less zealously ideological Republicans.

    Let`s hope it continues to spread!

    Ultimately, in a representative democracy, elected officials must reflect and serve their constituents' views . . . or they'll be replaced by those constituents when they next vote. Is it better to allow Republicans to represent us who've acceded to this one issue conforming to our views or to have Democrats in those positions who share most of our views?


    Great point.
    Personally, I vote based on economic issues not on social issues.

    The Repub party's economic issues have been an epic disaster and yet they refuse to change their obsession with the disproved fantasy notion that giving the rich and the big corporations big tax cuts is good for the economy.
    The facts of the historical record have shown time and time again that tax cuts for the rich blow up the National Debt and do not create the strong economic and job growth the Repubs promised.
    The catastrophic failure of the Bush tax cuts proved that very clearly.
    But, because the rich and the big corporations continue to write out big checks to the Repub party - the Repub continue to promise to cut taxes for the rich and the big corporations.

    The Repubs are willing to sell out our interests and America's future in exchange for money and power.
    That's the biggest reason why they're the enemy.

    Thanks. Yet on the other hand our taxes are approaching the level of a Socialist country, without the social benefits. It's tough to support either party's economic policy.



    The idea that there's been a massive hike in tax rates by the Democrats is nonsense.

    At the end of 2012 - President Obama and the Democrats refused to extend the failed Bush tax cuts for the rich and allowed the tax rates to return to where they were back in the 1990's under Clinton when we had one of the longest strongest economic booms in US history.
    At that time, President Obama and the Democrats tried to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and to merely end the tax cuts for the rich - but the Repubs refused to vote to give middle class Americans a tax cut - because they said that if the rich weren't going to get to keep their tax cuts - then they didn't want middle class Americans to get one either.
    So the Repubs really only care about cutting taxes for the richest 1-2%.

    And the tax rates today are nowhere near the highest levels we've had in our country's history.
    Back in the economic boom years of the 1950's and 1960's - under both Democratic and Republican presidencies - the top tax rate was 90% - more than twice the top tax rate of today.
    Was the America of the 50's and 60's a "Socialist country"?
    Hardly.


    Huh, another Liberal fairy tale. The only reason the economy prospered during Clinton was due to the dot-com bubble and run up to Y2K where so many electronic devices had to be replaced or upgraded. The dot-com bubble burst on March 11, 2010 when Clinton was unfortunately still President.

    Speaking of Bill, this picture will make a great campaign commercial for Hillary in 2016:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bill-clinton-poses-prostitutes-humanitarian-gala-article-1.1707463
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    I have 8 hardcore republican white male "jock/bro" friends and they are are very supportive of gay marriage. I have two republican gay male friends too. I think if you get away from the "kooky" religious people that exist in both parties and are of all races you will find broad support for us.