Homeless Lottery... oh god the feels

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    Mar 04, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
    Not sure how I feel about it. Great the guy thinks he helped a guy out. But my intitial take is that it seems somewhat ill-conceived.

    Not only does it play with someone's emotions and then just leaves them hanging so in that sense it creates a loose end. But also it might very well put the homeless guy's life at risk.

    What are the odds of him not telling anyone that he just won $1000? What are the odds of him having a bank account? What are the odds of him having a safe place to protect himself from thieves?

    You want to take a homeless guy to lunch, great. You want to give him a few bucks, fine. But this makes a spectacle of charity at the possible cost of endangering someone so that seems to cheapen it. Oh, that and a youtube so that anyone now knows where to find a easy mark.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
    theantijock saidNot sure how I feel about it. Great the guy thinks he helped a guy out. But my intitial take is that it seems somewhat ill-conceived.

    Not only does it play with someone's emotions and then just leaves them hanging so in that sense it creates a loose end. But also it might very well put the homeless guy's life at risk.

    What are the odds of him not telling anyone that he just won $1000? What are the odds of him having a bank account? What are the odds of him having a safe place to protect himself from thieves?

    You want to take a homeless guy to lunch, great. You want to give him a few bucks, fine. But this makes a spectacle of charity at the possible cost of endangering someone so that seems to cheapen it. Oh, that and a youtube so that anyone now knows where to find a easy mark.


    There's negative out of every situation, and it's certainly a possibility that the man could have been attacked for the money, but it's also possible that he would be robbed just the same for $10 instead of $1000.

    Also, how do we know that the OP of the video didn't talk to the homeless man after the camera was down filming? I find it hard to believe that they just shut off the camera and said "Welp, see ya later bro!"

    The reality of the situation is a homeless man was given $1000 out of kindness (and possibly Youtube ad revenue). The homeless man was nice enough to want to share some of the money and reacted with real, genuine, emotion! It's cool that a lot of famous "pranks" on Youtube these days have been things that have helped homeless people, and minimum wage workers. I like the pattern of positivity that's been going on here. icon_smile.gif

    I thought the message was great, the action was great, and the reaction was great! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:14 PM GMT
    ok .. didn't watch it to the end the first time ... still think the guy is a dick
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:15 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWhat freaking retard that guy is ... somebody ought to kick his ass.icon_mad.gif


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    Mar 04, 2014 10:20 PM GMT
    JumpMan_Josh said
    AMoonHawk saidWhat freaking retard that guy is ... somebody ought to kick his ass.icon_mad.gif


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    The guy is a dick ... what he did wasn't cool ... just give him money if that is what you want to do ... why you want to do a person like that ... he played a joke on him ... bad joke. Kick a person when they are down ... then pay them for it. He's an ignorant idiot that then posted it to Youtube to brag on himself.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    My mom taught me that charity is best done in secret. I had a very hard time with that concept as a little boy because I wanted praise for helping someone. She told me that would be doing it for the wrong reason, which is why it's best not to tell others when you give. I have a feeling if there had been no camera present, he would have never given that man 1000 dollars. Either way, I'm sure he was a huge help to the homeless man.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidMy mom taught me that charity is best done in secret. I had a very hard time with that concept as a little boy because I wanted praise for helping someone. She told me that would be doing it for the wrong reason, which is why it's best not to tell others when you give. I have a feeling if there had been no camera present, he would have never given that man 1000 dollars. Either way, I'm sure he was a huge help to the homeless man.

    That's if the homeless guy didn't get beaten or killed by other homeless people for his new found wealth, or he didn't drink himself to death. There are better ways to help the homeless. The street homeless are mostly homeless, because they don't know how to help themselves and many times do not have the mental capacity to function like other people.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    JumpMan_Josh said
    AMoonHawk saidWhat freaking retard that guy is ... somebody ought to kick his ass.icon_mad.gif


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    The guy is a dick ... what he did wasn't cool ... just give him money if that is what you want to do ... why you want to do a person like that ... he played a joke on him ... bad joke. Kick a person when they are down ... then pay them for it. He's an ignorant idiot that then posted it to Youtube to brag on himself.


    I'm not understanding that, AMoonHawk.
    The fellow did what's known as magnificent obsession: he wanted to give but not take the credit, so presented the homeless fellow with a 'winning-but-I'don't-know-how-much' ticket. The fellow cashed the ticket and got 1,000 bucks (and the viewer along with the store clerk and giver of ticket secretly knew the ticket did not win). That he wanted to share his win with the giver of the ticket tells me a lot about the homeless fellow: he's a good man.

    I'm very tempted to try this. Thanks Josh, and to the man who made that vid; I would not have thought of this otherwise.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
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    There's negative out of every situation, and it's certainly a possibility that the man could have been attacked for the money, but it's also possible that he would be robbed just the same for $10 instead of $1000.

    Also, how do we know that the OP of the video didn't talk to the homeless man after the camera was down filming? I find it hard to believe that they just shut off the camera and said "Welp, see ya later bro!"

    The reality of the situation is a homeless man was given $1000 out of kindness (and possibly Youtube ad revenue). The homeless man was nice enough to want to share some of the money and reacted with real, genuine, emotion! It's cool that a lot of famous "pranks" on Youtube these days have been things that have helped homeless people, and minimum wage workers. I like the pattern of positivity that's been going on here. icon_smile.gif

    I thought the message was great, the action was great, and the reaction was great! icon_biggrin.gif


    But there's not negative in every situation and even where there might be some negative side effects to a positive action, then the positive action requires additional remediation or certainly would seek to minimize any harm done in order to accomplish whatever good might be done. I get that you want to see some good in the action. But what is absolute is that were the good intention to be sincere, then certainly there would not be from the onset ulterior motive, which, as moohhawk notes, is obvious here.

    In Judaism is taught a few aspects to charity, or what we call Tzedakah pretty much running the gamut from giving silently to an announcement of the fact, not as brag--certainly not taking someone's suffering as entertainment--but as example for others to know to give. Here's a site laying it all out...

    http://www.jewfaq.org/tzedakah.htm
    Levels of Tzedakah
    1.Giving begrudgingly
    2.Giving less that you should, but giving it cheerfully.
    3.Giving after being asked
    4.Giving before being asked
    5.Giving when you do not know the recipient's identity, but the recipient knows your identity
    6.Giving when you know the recipient's identity, but the recipient doesn't know your identity
    7.Giving when neither party knows the other's identity
    8.Enabling the recipient to become self-reliant


    Talmud doesn't even mention youtube advertisement revenue.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:56 PM GMT
    meninlove said...The fellow did what's known as magnificent obsession: he wanted to give but not take the credit...


    um, youtube.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    What bothers me about this is the emotional vulnerability of the homeless man, a very private moment, being recorded and made public on youtube. That just doesn't feel right to me. There are all kinds of ways of gifting someone anonymously without 'tricking' them much less making their private emotions a public spectacle.
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    Mar 04, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
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    meninlove said...The fellow did what's known as magnificent obsession: he wanted to give but not take the credit...


    um, youtube.


    I think it was an excellent avenue to reach a whole lot of people to show how to do what he did. The vid makes the lesson visceral, rather than abstract reading.


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    Mar 04, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    theantijock said
    meninlove said...The fellow did what's known as magnificent obsession: he wanted to give but not take the credit...


    um, youtube.


    I think it was an excellent avenue to reach a whole lot of people to show how to do what he did. The vid makes the lesson visceral, rather than abstract reading.


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    Besides that he's taking credit internationally on youtube, even with his victim charity case, he still doesn't distance himself from being credited as held evident by the homeless guy's offer to cut him in on the winnings. So even if you argue that, it still fails.
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    Mar 04, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    I'm still absolutely failing to see the point. It's not like this guy is the first one to do this... it's actually a huge wave of famous Youtube directors that are making videos where they give money, food, ect to the homeless.

    You're right - good actions CAN be done in private, and that's fine, but I still don't see much wrong with what has happened here. The YT director has made all of his money back (1 million views = $1,000+) already, but could have easily kept it with all of his other videos.

    So yes, I definitely see your guys points, but you don't know the actions of the homeless man. To guess that he would spend it on booze instead of things he actually needs is silly because you truly don't know.

    I really can't say that if I was in his shoes that I would be giving $1,000 away, and I don't think a lot of you guys could either.
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    Mar 04, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
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    So many were plain pranks; this one shone. I think each of us can reflect upon the negatives, or reflect upon the positives. I like the positives.
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    Mar 04, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    I think overall it was a positive undertaking. There are many negatives about it, but hopefully the pluses outweigh the minuses. At the end of the day, a person in need received help and this event was shared with others.
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    Mar 04, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
    JumpMan_Josh saidI'm still absolutely failing to see the point. It's not like this guy is the first one to do this... it's actually a huge wave of famous Youtube directors that are making videos where they give money, food, ect to the homeless.

    You're right - good actions CAN be done in private, and that's fine, but I still don't see much wrong with what has happened here. The YT director has made all of his money back (1 million views = $1,000+) already, but could have easily kept it with all of his other videos.

    So yes, I definitely see your guys points, but you don't know the actions of the homeless man. To guess that he would spend it on booze instead of things he actually needs is silly because you truly don't know.

    I really can't say that if I was in his shoes that I would be giving $1,000 away, and I don't think a lot of you guys could either.

    The reason people like this guy post to youtube is they make money from the ads. So basically he is using the homeless guy for profit. So if he is making a profit from it, it is not an act of charity, so it should not be misconstrued as some sort of act of kindness. However, it can be seen as seeking any means to as an opportunity for profit. ... oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see.icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 05, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
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    JumpMan_Josh saidI'm still absolutely failing to see the point. It's not like this guy is the first one to do this... it's actually a huge wave of famous Youtube directors that are making videos where they give money, food, ect to the homeless.

    You're right - good actions CAN be done in private, and that's fine, but I still don't see much wrong with what has happened here. The YT director has made all of his money back (1 million views = $1,000+) already, but could have easily kept it with all of his other videos.

    So yes, I definitely see your guys points, but you don't know the actions of the homeless man. To guess that he would spend it on booze instead of things he actually needs is silly because you truly don't know.

    I really can't say that if I was in his shoes that I would be giving $1,000 away, and I don't think a lot of you guys could either.

    The reason people like this guy post to youtube is they make money from the ads. So basically he is using the homeless guy for profit. So if he is making a profit from it, it is not an act of charity, so it should not be misconstrued as some sort of act of kindness. However, it can be seen as seeking any means to as an opportunity for profit. ... oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see.icon_confused.gif


    Ahh I guess we have different viewpoints on it.

    "Oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see."
    Yeah, sorry. I learned a long time ago that age really doesn't represent wisdom haha! icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 05, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThe reason people like this guy post to youtube is they make money from the ads. So basically he is using the homeless guy for profit. So if he is making a profit from it, it is not an act of charity, so it should not be misconstrued as some sort of act of kindness. However, it can be seen as seeking any means to as an opportunity for profit. ... oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see.icon_confused.gif

    Yep, that was my take. In a nutshell I was thinking, "The bizarre shit that people will do to make a youtube video."

    But it's not that much different than the crap that's on tv every day so it's not as if he's blazing a trail through uncharted territory.
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    Mar 05, 2014 12:46 AM GMT
    meninlove saidSo many were plain pranks; this one shone. I think each of us can reflect upon the negatives, or reflect upon the positives. I like the positives.


    So your assessment of all this is that some of us would view what's been presented as charity as negative, even while overwhelming evidence from motivation, to youtubing, to ad revenue, to directing others to an advertised web site, to disrespecting dignity all indicate otherwise.

    That's quite the judgmental indictment.
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    Mar 05, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
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    JumpMan_Josh saidI'm still absolutely failing to see the point. It's not like this guy is the first one to do this... it's actually a huge wave of famous Youtube directors that are making videos where they give money, food, ect to the homeless.

    You're right - good actions CAN be done in private, and that's fine, but I still don't see much wrong with what has happened here. The YT director has made all of his money back (1 million views = $1,000+) already, but could have easily kept it with all of his other videos.

    So yes, I definitely see your guys points, but you don't know the actions of the homeless man. To guess that he would spend it on booze instead of things he actually needs is silly because you truly don't know.

    I really can't say that if I was in his shoes that I would be giving $1,000 away, and I don't think a lot of you guys could either.

    The reason people like this guy post to youtube is they make money from the ads. So basically he is using the homeless guy for profit. So if he is making a profit from it, it is not an act of charity, so it should not be misconstrued as some sort of act of kindness. However, it can be seen as seeking any means to as an opportunity for profit. ... oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see.icon_confused.gif


    Ahh I guess we have different viewpoints on it.

    "Oh you young kids have so much of the world yet to see."
    Yeah, sorry. I learned a long time ago that age really doesn't represent wisdom haha! icon_razz.gif


    Or he was just using "young kids" metaphorically as a reference to naivety unconfined to age.
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    Mar 05, 2014 1:57 AM GMT
    theantijock saidTalmud doesn't even mention youtube advertisement revenue.

    A shocking oversight.
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    Mar 05, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
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    meninlove saidSo many were plain pranks; this one shone. I think each of us can reflect upon the negatives, or reflect upon the positives. I like the positives.


    So your assessment of all this is that some of us would view what's been presented as charity as negative, even while overwhelming evidence from motivation, to youtubing, to ad revenue, to directing others to an advertised web site, to disrespecting dignity all indicate otherwise.

    That's quite the judgmental indictment.


    I don't think so. There are negatives and there are positives. I prefer to see the positives. I'm not sure how that makes me judging you.
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    Mar 05, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
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    meninlove saidSo many were plain pranks; this one shone. I think each of us can reflect upon the negatives, or reflect upon the positives. I like the positives.


    So your assessment of all this is that some of us would view what's been presented as charity as negative, even while overwhelming evidence from motivation, to youtubing, to ad revenue, to directing others to an advertised web site, to disrespecting dignity all indicate otherwise.

    That's quite the judgmental indictment.


    I don't think so. There are negatives and there are positives. I prefer to see the positives. I'm not sure how that makes me judging you.


    Nice attempt to twist that in typical fashion but how you see yourself is not your judging me. You are being judgmental in your indictment claiming that some of us see a charitable event as negative. It is judgmental because we don't view this as a charitable event to even be negative about--were that our will--as too many aspects of it negate, as described above, fundamentals of Tzedakah.

    We view this not as charity, but as a fraud disguised as charity and perpetrated upon a homeless guy who happens to wind up with a $1000.

    Making someone think this is charity is called slight of hand which happens to be the prankster's specialty.