MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell, Chuck Gudgel, that post was all over the place. You haven't really made a valid point. You want to use the process of natural selection as a possible debate when it comes to my Iife and my chronic medical condition but I do not find that to be a valid argument. Nor do I appreciate you using my medical information in this thread. But since you have made this personal, let's run with it. I simply want a chance at an average lifespan. So when reflecting on my family history males tend to live until their late 70's and females until their mid 80's. And not one of these relatives focused on their health by either/or eating well and exercising as I do. This is a far cry from me wanting to live forever.
And I'm not sure what you are referring to about stepping up to "the challenge." I can't remember the heart procedure you had. But you claim it's genetic, if I'm not mistaken. If you have sibbling or a family history of this condition and they don't have similar problems I'm wondering if heavy steroid use accelerated your genetic predisposition for heart disease. Recent studies from prestigious medical establishments are asserting there may be a link between long term moderate/heavy steroid use and heart damage. Since you're in your mid fifties, my guess is you have been using steroids for at least a decade. But by all means, clue us in. The studies I am referring to involved participants who used steroids for nine years.
You have a tendency to over-personalize on any given topic when contributing to the threads. We really don't need your full name or a detailed history of your rehab which seems to find its way in almost all of your recent contributions to the threads. I believe a more effective stance on this topic would be to discuss the ramifications of billions of people living for one, two or three hundred years and how this impacts the environment. Other than quelling our fear of death it really serves no benefit. Even today, people living in their 90's are hardly productive people. Imagine if a third of the billions of people on the planet today were ninety years old or older. It's not financially feasible unless we raised the retirement age to eighty-five or higher. And there is only so much a person in his nineties can do physically.
Immortality will soon be a reality. Period.
Sorry you had trouble following the point that if it were left to natural selection you would be a dead man.
Heart disease, in my case, was certainly not due to my lipid profile, and I've talked with some the best in the business about it. (It's 100/38 by the way.) When I asked one of the cardiologists the very question that you speculate on, he said "No way." He said, "I see exactly your condition in female runners." Oops, another butthead blowing smoke out his ass. Bringing up my fats (polys, and monos) has improved that lipid panel. My damage was likely done when I was very young, and, I have the marker for the sort of heart disease I have (not hard deposits but soft goo). We know sudden death syndrome is highest in distance runners who are thin. Fact. Going further, in your unqualified speculation, let me add this: My heart surgeon, my GP, my PT, my cardiologist, and my PA, have ALL recommended that I compete again this fall...in bodybuilding....for whatever their qualified advice is worth.
I remember, as a young man, being forced to watch the movie "Reefer Madness". It, of course, has no basis in truth. Science evolves, too. E.g., prostate cancer specialists now say a PSA test is worthless. And..prostate cancer is not the result of testosterone, but, rather the ratio of E2 to free T being too high.
We also know that statins wreck muscle. I'm not on statins because my CK goes too high when I do, and it kills my ability to train and recover. More harmful than good.
My point being this: modern science, whether via electricity, communications, biology, DNA, manufacturing process, etc., allows us to defeat "nature", and, that's as it should be.
In the next few years, we'll be able to genetically engineer disease out of the population, with all its side effects, both good and bad.
Technology is neither good nor bad, but, how it's applied, and the cost versus benefits. E.g., for an inactive person, statins may allow them to exist without any real lifestyle changes, but, for a healthy, active, patient, they're wrong.
Like it, or not, as a species, we have not just the ability to become immortal, but, to reinvent ourselves. A classic example is the mule (a cross between a horse, and a donkey)
With genetic engineering, we'll be able to genetically modify people to become radiation resistant to traverse the vast distances of space.
You claim you want "normal." But, if you think clearly, you soon realize "normal" is a ever moving standard. Normal a thousand years ago may have been 38. Normal today may be 73. That "normal" changes.
Just as in your own case, without science, you would have been a dead man years ago, such is the case with diseases like type 1 diabetes (we'll soon be able to fix that, too, via 3D printing, DNA manipulation, and stem cell guided growth). Like it, or not, immortality is coming.
Natural selection is playing a smaller and smaller part of our evolution, for better, or for worse.
Now, we have bionics...today..that connect directly to the brain. Man will not just become immortal, but, merge with machines.
The fact that you are alive is a testimonial to modern science, and our understanding of how viruses work. It's also the fact that makes it possible for me to enjoy the lifestyle that I do (along with the way I eat, exercise, and so on).
My points were, and remain valid:
1. Immortality is on the way. It can't and won't be stopped.
2. "Normal" is an ever moving target.
3. Your life was saved by science. Your life was not saved by divine intervention. Period.
4. We have the ability to reinvent ourselves / engineer ourselves as a species; a completely new species if we wish.
5. Science, based upon fact, and observation, always has, and always will, displace false belief systems / religions / cults. (Folks used to say The World was flat and that The Sun revolved around The Earth. We know, of course, that was just religious malarkey, as that's what false belief systems are.)
6. If we end up with more folks living longer, science comes ups with answers for all that, too, whether it's energy, water, food, etc. It always has. E.g. 30 bushels of corn per acre might have been the max 100 years ago. Nowadays, it could be approaching 200 bushels per acre. Our ability to grow food has exploded, as has other parts of technology. (Computing: Moore's law still holds.) That ability to grow that corn has increased by nearly 800%. The electrification of America increased our productivity by 1400% in just a SINGLE DECADE.
Knowledge, and our merging with machines is part of our evolution. We're hard wired to do it, and, we will, and are. It's not if...it's when.