777 lost from Malaysia to china

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    Mar 08, 2014 12:49 AM GMT
    News coming in.
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    Mar 08, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing/index.html
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    Mar 08, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidUh oh. That would be the first one I believe.


    Except for the incident at SFO and Heathrow.
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    Mar 08, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidActually, the Asiana SFO incident was the first one with fatalities I think.

    Edit: You're a few seconds ahead of me! I believe the BA at LHR didn't have any fatalities.


    Correct.
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    Mar 08, 2014 1:54 AM GMT
    3 hrs late for arrival. Not good!
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    Mar 08, 2014 5:30 AM GMT

    Another airline at 30,000ft cruising altitude falls out of the sky, transmitter beacon is on icon_eek.gif


    Navy has confirmed plane crashed into sea, says Vietnam media
    http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html
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    Mar 08, 2014 6:35 AM GMT
    The nooz reports say that they lost radio contact two hours after it was due to land. So either they're all mixed up, or there is a lot more to the story...

    Yeah, they were all mixed up.
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    Mar 08, 2014 8:32 AM GMT
    The airline said, speaking several hours after the plane had been due to land in the Chinese capital, said it was still too early so say whether the aircraft had crashed.

    Perhaps they thought it flew into the Twilight Zone?
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    Mar 08, 2014 5:30 PM GMT
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/stolen-passports-prompt-terror-concerns-missing-jet-officials-say-n47861

    Wonder where this is headed or is there any wonder?
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    Mar 08, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    Truely sad to hear this. Something catestrophic had to happen for the pilots not to radio anything. Sudden loss of cabin pressure, explosion or terrorism are the best guesses. For it to happen over the sea makes me think it may have been terrorism or pilot suicide.
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    Mar 08, 2014 11:59 PM GMT
    as a f/a, I find it perplexing that there are no "pings" from any transponders. there should be at least 4 ELT's on board that activate in salt water, (bulkhead mounted to transport to the slide raft) also the aircraft ELT imbedded in the flight data recorder. (ELT= emergency located transmitter). very sad indeed as the TRIPLE 7 is a great aircraft. btw... the sfo crash was blatant pilot error & no fault of the aircraft.
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    Mar 09, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
    Not only that, but if the plane hit the water at 600 mph or so it would break up and there would be a big debris field. None of this is making any sense. It's almost like a giant UFO swooped down and took the plane.
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    Mar 09, 2014 1:36 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidNot only that, but if the plane hit the water at 600 mph or so it would break up and there would be a big debris field. None of this is making any sense. It's almost like a giant UFO swooped down and took the plane.



    It's either:

    Terrorism

    Pilot Error

    Failure of the aircraft

    In that order in my "betting man's" opinion.


    Actually, I didn't want to say anything last night, but terrorism was my first three guesses, but still, where is it? Something like this is not going to slip quietly beneath the surface of the ocean without leaving a pretty big debris field.
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    Mar 09, 2014 2:07 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidUh oh. That would be the first one I believe.


    Except for the incident at SFO and Heathrow.


    SFO was pure pilot error.
    Heathrow was a different story.
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    Mar 09, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
    2 passengers were using stolen passports. They should have a complete background check of all people on the plane to rule out foul plays.
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    Mar 09, 2014 3:11 AM GMT
    ^^ Unfortunately, even in this day and age of technology, not all countries are on par with airport security measures.

    Condolences for the family and hope they (and we) get the pieces of the story together soon.
  • BillandChuck

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    Mar 09, 2014 3:32 AM GMT
    Not to point out the obvious, but when the 2009 AF447 A330 crashed over water, it took 23 months to find the wreckage. It doesn't seem like we can draw any conclusions from the lack of ability to locate the wreckage yet. And in many ways, the suddenness of the incident is similar to this, and that was mechanical failure followed by human failure to recover. So that, also, seems like a weak basis for any assumption of foul play, and the absence of a claim of credit reinforces the argument against foul play.
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    Mar 09, 2014 3:50 AM GMT
    So sad to hear. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 09, 2014 3:55 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    BillandChuck saidNot to point out the obvious, but when the 2009 AF447 A330 crashed over water, it took 23 months to find the wreckage. It doesn't seem like we can draw any conclusions from the lack of ability to locate the wreckage yet.


    I would agree with that.


    BillandChuck said And in many ways, the suddenness of the incident is similar to this, and that was mechanical failure followed by human failure to recover. So that, also, seems like a weak basis for any assumption of foul play, and the absence of a claim of credit reinforces the argument against foul play.

    Yeah, AF 447 was mechanical failure but, like so many crashes, it's the "swiss cheese" effect. Usually it's not just one thing that causes an incident, rather it's a bunch of things that, each taken on their own, wouldn't cause a plane to crash, but when enough of the holes in the 2 pieces of swiss cheese line up, that's what causes the problem.

    In the case of AF 447, it was bad data being fed into the instruments, coupled with the high degree of automation of the aircraft, coupled with 3 pilots who each made major mistakes.

    You just emphasized our point. The same circumstance or a similar scenario with different circumstances could be true of MH370.
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    Mar 09, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    BillandChuck said
    southbeach1500 said
    BillandChuck saidNot to point out the obvious, but when the 2009 AF447 A330 crashed over water, it took 23 months to find the wreckage. It doesn't seem like we can draw any conclusions from the lack of ability to locate the wreckage yet.


    I would agree with that.


    BillandChuck said And in many ways, the suddenness of the incident is similar to this, and that was mechanical failure followed by human failure to recover. So that, also, seems like a weak basis for any assumption of foul play, and the absence of a claim of credit reinforces the argument against foul play.

    Yeah, AF 447 was mechanical failure but, like so many crashes, it's the "swiss cheese" effect. Usually it's not just one thing that causes an incident, rather it's a bunch of things that, each taken on their own, wouldn't cause a plane to crash, but when enough of the holes in the 2 pieces of swiss cheese line up, that's what causes the problem.

    In the case of AF 447, it was bad data being fed into the instruments, coupled with the high degree of automation of the aircraft, coupled with 3 pilots who each made major mistakes.

    You just emphasized our point. The same circumstance or a similar scenario with different circumstances could be true of MH370.


    Not really. The systems are completely different on the AF A330 and the MH 777. Airbus and Boeing have completely different philosophies with regards to the role the computers play on the aircraft. Not wanting to get too geeky here, but you can end up in a situation where you are "fighting" the Airbus computer vs there being no such computer on the Boeing.

    Plus, AF was flying through the inter-tropical convergence zone, thunderstorms and severe icing conditions. I seriously doubt those conditions were present here.

    Could there be a similar scenario with different circumstances as you say? Well, that's kinda vague. Of course there could have been lousy CRM involved in this case in dealing with an issue that came up relating to the airplane. Seems kind of remote though, given the number of hours the Captain had under his belt.

    Given that we don't know and won't know, and virtually all of this is conjecture, with the only facts being far too macro from which to draw any reasonable or intelligent conclusion, it seems you did, in fact prove our point. Either that or you were counting angels on the head of a pin.
  • hebrewman

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    Mar 09, 2014 9:45 AM GMT
    i still do not understand why the ELT's are not sending out any signal. portable cabin units alone should have went off the minute the aircraft hit the water. has anyone on the thread learned that there is a signal somewhere? if the aircraft broke apart inflight, there would be at least some floating debris on the water along the route of flight. the fact that this airliner appears to have just 'vanished' is really perplexing.
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    Mar 09, 2014 10:46 AM GMT
    manboynyc saidSo sad to hear. icon_sad.gif


    Indeed!

    *I was on the same MAS MH# midnight flight from KLIA to Beijing a year back that would reach Beijing early morning. thinking of it..just icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 09, 2014 11:14 AM GMT
    Now malaysia,vietnam and china even philipine are all on their way to search for the plane

    And after this incident end,our most hated prime minister and his corruptted party will face the wrath of the entire nation for it.

    #Pray4MH370
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    Mar 09, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
    This is so unfortunate, life is so fragile, it could of been any of us inside that plane, just hope their should have found peace, and in the best scenario, that they are still alive, there is always hope.
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    Mar 10, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidStill nothing to report. icon_neutral.gif


    inorite icon_confused.gif.... Plane could be somewhere landed, undergo some slight modification for it's other terrorist purpose. *lets hope not.