How Hollywood gave one of our brothers a Bonafide Homosexual a very slow death:

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
    Montgomery Clift was born a Bonafide Homosexual; albeit some women wanted him to be at least bi, and promoted the lie that he was.

    Because Hollywood forced him to live a lie that he was straight, and made him be seen with women, and this put him on the road of self destruction, that lead to a very slow death.

    He had no issues with being a homosexual, but hated being forced to hid and too live a lie.

    The damage liberal Hollywood has done to other brothers too; even those who were forced to die of AIDS in silence. icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    Being born bi, and making the choice for whatever reason to marry, have a family and be seen as a straight man is one thing. But to be born a Bonafide Homosexual, and be forced to date women, not root and be forced to be seen as straight is another.

    I'm just grateful I was also strong enough to be secure within myself from a young age, even though it was the 1960s, in the Aussie bush. That I point blank refused to date girls/women just to make others happy; no matter what they did to me. I have also lived long enough to see things do get better.

    But my hear truly does go out to our brother Monty, and the lie Hollywood forced him to live, as it ate away at him for years, and gave him a very slow and cruel death; even Betty Taylor wanted to get her claws into himicon_rolleyes.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
    Your fallacy is that Hollywood during that era was a liberal studio system. It was in fact very conservative. Especially after the US Congressional Black Lists of liberals during the 1950s. Liberal actors, writers & directors who were banned from Hollywood, during the same period that Clift worked. Ever hear of that?

    Your distorted version of history is typical for you. You didn't live here, you were born after the 1950s ended, you weren't even a teenager until the 1970s.

    But you persist in lecturing us Americans about our own culture, from a time when you weren't even born. Give it a rest already, OK? icon_razz.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidYour fallacy is that Hollywood during that era was a liberal studio system. It was in fact very conservative. Especially after the US Congressional Black Lists of liberals during the 1950s. Liberal actors, writers & directors who were banned from Hollywood, during the same period that Clift worked.

    Your distorted version of history is typical for you. You didn't live here, you were born after the 1950s ended, you weren't even a teenager until the 1970s.

    But you persist in lecturing us Americans about our own culture, from a time when you weren't even born. Give it a rest already, OK? icon_razz.gif


    Thanks Bobby, but it's Ok for you to talk about Australia, Canada, Russia, and you are not always right, or perfect as no one isicon_wink.gif

    But None the less, look at what Hollywood did to this Bonafide homosexual, by forcing him to be seen as straight. Look at what liberal Hollywood still does to us, and all the gays who had to die in silence from AIDS, but you lived though that era as a straight man, and did not participate as a gay one; big difference, as you did the very same in the 50's and 60's.

    But then I do understand that you being born a bisexual, and willingly by your own choice lived most of your life as a straight man, may well not understand what it is like to be born a Bonafide Homosexual, because you never lived your whole life as one; but I don't hate you for that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidYour fallacy is that Hollywood during that era was a liberal studio system. It was in fact very conservative. Especially after the US Congressional Black Lists of liberals during the 1950s. Liberal actors, writers & directors who were banned from Hollywood, during the same period that Clift worked. Ever hear of that?

    Your distorted version of history is typical for you. You didn't live here, you were born after the 1950s ended, you weren't even a teenager until the 1970s.

    But you persist in lecturing us Americans about our own culture, from a time when you weren't even born. Give it a rest already, OK? icon_razz.gif


    PS and you may remember much of the 50's and 60's, and you stood aside from most of it, as you have told us. wanting to be mummy's little boy, and feeling you were better and above all of that.

    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    er...Liberal Hollywood made this movie, which defended gay and ill men:

    1985


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Early_Frost
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    meninlove said er...Liberal Hollywood made this movie, which defended gay and ill men:

    1985


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Early_Frost


    Thanks guys. But still does not take away all the men who were forced to die in silence by liberal Hollywood, and all the damage it has done. Rock Hudson came out publicly in his last few days of life, when there was nothing left to loose, with the wonderful Doris Day by his side.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    meninlove said er...Liberal Hollywood made this movie, which defended gay and ill men:

    1985


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Early_Frost


    Thanks guys. But still does not take away all the men who were forced to die in silence by liberal Hollywood, and all the damage it has done.

    Was it hollywood, or the gov't?

    1982 Making Love

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_Love



    As well, much of the public didn't like movies about gay men. many advertizers, where much of the money comes from, didn't like them either because times were conservative and if people didn't watch, companies didn't make money.
  • HottJoe

    Posts: 21366

    Mar 08, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
    I guess a more conservative approach would be to die a fast death in Hollywood. The James Dean's are the ones most people remember.

    I think if your job is making you miserable you have to know why you're doing it. If you're an artist, then do it for the right reasons. If you're so concerned about fame and fortune that you're jumping through hoops like a circus clown, and it's killing you, then, gay or straight, you're throwing your life away for peanuts. You'll end up on your deathbed wishing it could've been different.

    Anyway, give us stories of real gay men and real closet doors. Liberal Hollywood/conservative Hollywood, is filled with fakes.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:34 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHollywood was more more center-right prior to the 1960s. Completely different than today.


    As one said no one is perfect, and I don't put myself up on a pedestal, and look down on others; I just talk back.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
    6ed.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    meninlove said er...Liberal Hollywood made this movie, which defended gay and ill men:

    1985


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Early_Frost


    Thanks guys. But still does not take away all the men who were forced to die in silence by liberal Hollywood, and all the damage it has done.

    Was it hollywood, or the gov't?

    1982 Making Love

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_Love



    As well, much of the public didn't like movies about gay men. many advertizers, where much of the money comes from, didn't like them either because times were conservative and if people didn't watch, companies didn't make money.


    I loved making Love, but people were more accepting of the thought of Bisexuals, as they still gave a glimmer of hope to be fixed, unlike us Bonafide homosexuals.

    Still does not take away all the damage liberal Hollywood has and still does.

    Hollywood now makes a lot of movies that disparage American institutions and traditions of which promote wacko leftism. Hollywood has become part of the dominate media culture. They love to make fun of what many Americans and the world over find dear. They make fun of people who believe in God, they ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality, and even monogamy., they even disparage the American heroes. sadly the only thing that has happens, is that the coin has flipped, and all is very much the same. Now the left do the same as what they accused the right of.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said6ed.gif


    Oh dear lamb Chops. One can not be held responsible for your issues of self loathing, and your contempt for anyone with a gay lisp.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
    I find this offensive to every person who ever died in the closet.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    theantijock saidI find this offensive to every person who ever died in the closet.


    I find it offensive of what Hollywood did to Monty, and how it killed him by forcing him to live and be seen as a heterosexual, when he was born a Bonafide Homosexual. Both left and right are guilty.

    All the people who were to die living in the closet, are now dead and finally at peace, and since I was out by the time I was seven years old, standing up for same sex love and attraction, in the 1960's, when so many older than I, said and did nothing, their issues of self loathing and fear are and were never mine, and your issues are also yoursicon_wink.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you're 52, you were born in 1962.

    How the HELL were you out in the 1960s before you were even 9 years old, and "standing up for same sex love"?

    You are so BUSTED! icon_razz.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2014 11:57 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you're 52, you were born in 1962.

    How the HELL were you out in the 1960s before you were even 9 years old, and "standing up for same sex love"?

    You are so BUSTED! icon_razz.gif


    Not busted! You got it wrong sunshineicon_redface.gif. In fact I was born in 61, and out from the age of six, and that makes it very much the 1960s, that was not very different to the 1950's out in the Aussie bush.

    Now thats a bloody big difference to coming out at 50, when most of the hard work had already been done and it was safe too wave the rainbow flagicon_wink.gif


    This is something one has long talked about here at RJ. One was molested from the age of five by a bisexual; someone who latter in life wanted to be seen as gay. When this was found out, and all hell was to break loose. I stood up for him, and same sex attraction; no matter what they did to me, I would not stand down, because I did not suffer from the confusion of bisexuality being born a Bonafide Homosexual, and back then did not see anything wrong had been done; albeit I now know it had been. Although I had been raped, I knew I would grow up to love men, and I have.

    Yes I can stand tall in the thought that I was more of a man at nine than you are today, and I started to speak out for same sex attraction in the 1960's. That means by the time I was 50, I had been out for over 40 years, and in a same sex relationship for 20+icon_razz.gif

    Mate you are the one who was long busted for misrepresenting the truth, don't push your sins on me little man, like when you tried to blame one for you thinking us homosexuals were dirty and beneath you. Like most bullies you are also a coward, and I started to stand up to thugs like you before I was a teenager; have a nice day.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 12:54 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie saidMontgomery Clift was born a Bonafide Homosexual; albeit some women wanted him to be at least bi, and promoted the lie that he was.

    Because Hollywood forced him to live a lie that he was straight, and made him be seen with women, and this put him on the road of self destruction, that lead to a very slow death.

    He had no issues with being a homosexual, but hated being forced to hid and too live a lie.

    The damage liberal Hollywood has done to other brothers too; even those who were forced to die of AIDS in silence. icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    ART_DECO said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you're 52, you were born in 1962.

    How the HELL were you out in the 1960s before you were even 9 years old, and "standing up for same sex love"?

    You are so BUSTED! icon_razz.gif

    Not busted! You got it wrong sunshineicon_redface.gif. In fact I was born in 61, and out from the age of six, and that makes it very much the 1960s, that was not very different to the 1950's out in the Aussie bush.

    Now thats a bloody big difference to coming out at 50, when most of the hard work had already been done and it was safe too [sic] wave the rainbow flag.

    The rainbow flag didn't exist until the mid-1970s. When you were still a young teenager.

    So you were "standing up for same sex love" at 9, in 1970, and even earlier in the 1960s? Do I have the math right?

    That would make you a prodigy indeed. And BTW, in regards to math, I came out at 45, not 50. Not that it wasn't late enough, but I am a stickler for accuracy.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    ART_DECO said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you're 52, you were born in 1962.

    How the HELL were you out in the 1960s before you were even 9 years old, and "standing up for same sex love"?

    You are so BUSTED! icon_razz.gif


    Not busted! You got it wrong sunshineicon_redface.gif. In fact I was born in 61, and out from the age of six, and that makes it very much the 1960s, that was not very different to the 1950's out in the Aussie bush.

    Now thats a bloody big difference to coming out at 50, when most of the hard work had already been done and it was safe too wave the rainbow flagicon_wink.gif


    This is something one has long talked about here at RJ. One was molested from the age of five by a bisexual; someone who latter in life wanted to be seen as gay. When this was found out, and all hell was to break loose. I stood up for him, and same sex attraction; no matter what they did to me, I would not stand down, because I did not suffer from the confusion of bisexuality being born a Bonafide Homosexual, and back then did not see anything wrong had been done; albeit I now know it had been. Although I had been raped, I knew I would grow up to love men, and I have.

    Yes I can stand tall in the thought that I was more of a man at nine than you are today, and I started to speak out for same sex attraction in the 1960's. That means by the time I was 50, I had been out for over 40 years, and in a same sex relationship for 20+icon_razz.gif

    Mate you are the one who was long busted for misrepresenting the truth, don't push your sins on me little man, like when you tried to blame one for you thinking us homosexuals were dirty and beneath you. Like most bullies you are also a coward, and I started to stand up to thugs like you before I was a teenager; have a nice day.


    One did not talk about myself waving the rainbow flag, but you not doing until it was made safe to do so, and I used 50 as a ball park number. yet 45 is still old to start to be truthful to yourself and others, think of all the misery you could of prevented if you did that in your 20's.

    But then I have never wasted a life on being self loathing, or a married family man, as I was not born to do so. I have long been true to myself and others.

    Seems you are only a stickler for accuracy when it suits you, and to your advantage.icon_wink.gif Have a nice day mate.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie saidMontgomery Clift was born a Bonafide Homosexual; albeit some women wanted him to be at least bi, and promoted the lie that he was.

    Because Hollywood forced him to live a lie that he was straight, and made him be seen with women, and this put him on the road of self destruction, that lead to a very slow death.

    He had no issues with being a homosexual, but hated being forced to hid and too live a lie.

    The damage liberal Hollywood has done to other brothers too; even those who were forced to die of AIDS in silence. icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif


    Monty you may be gone but you are not forgotten, or what they made you do.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 3:26 AM GMT
    I don't understand the OP's point given the information below:

    Relationships:

    Patricia Bosworth, who had access to Clift's family and many people who knew and worked with him, wrote in her book, "Monty carried on affairs with men and women. After his car accident his addiction included pain killers and became serious. His deepest commitments were emotional and reserved for old friends; he was unflinchingly loyal to women like Elizabeth Taylor, Libby Holman, Nancy Walker and Ann Lincoln".[9]

    Elizabeth Taylor was a significant figure in his life. He met her when she was supposed to be his date at the premiere for The Heiress. They appeared together in A Place in the Sun, where, in their romantic scenes, they received considerable acclaim for their naturalness and their appearance. Clift and Taylor appeared together again in Raintree County and Suddenly, Last Summer.

    Because Clift was considered unemployable in the mid 1960s, Taylor put her salary for the film on the line as insurance, in order to have Clift cast as her co-star in Reflections in a Golden Eye.[9] Clift died before the movie was set to shoot. Clift and Taylor remained good friends until his death.

    Clift also had a relationship with legendary choreographer Jerome Robbins.[15]

    Death:

    On July 22, 1966, Clift spent most of the hot summer day in his bedroom in his New York City townhouse, located at 217 East 61st Street. He and his live-in personal secretary, Lorenzo James, had not spoken much all day. Shortly before 1:00 a.m., James went up to say goodnight to Clift, who was still awake and sitting up in his bed. James asked Clift if he needed anything and Clift politely refused and then told James that he would stay up for a while either to read a book or watch some television. James then noted that The Misfits was on television that night airing as a late-night movie, and he asked Clift if he wanted to watch it with him. "Absolutely not!" was the firm reply. This was the last time Montgomery Clift spoke to anyone. James went to his own bedroom to sleep without saying another word to Clift. At 6:30 a.m. the next day, James woke up and went to wake Clift, but found the bedroom door closed and locked. James became more concerned when Clift did not respond to his knocking on the door. Unable to break the door down, James ran down to the back garden and climbed up a ladder to enter through the second-floor bedroom window. Inside, he found Clift dead: he was undressed, lying on his back in bed, with eyeglasses on and both fists clenched by his side. James then used the bedroom telephone to call the police and an ambulance.

    Clift's body was taken to the city morgue less than two miles away at 520 First Avenue and autopsied. The autopsy report cited the cause of death as a heart attack brought on by "occlusive coronary artery disease". No evidence was found that suggested foul play or suicide. It is commonly believed that drug addiction was responsible for Clift's many health problems and his death. In addition to lingering effects of dysentery and chronic colitis, an underactive thyroid was later revealed. The condition (among other things) lowers blood pressure; it may have caused Clift to appear drunk or drugged when he was sober.[14]

    Following a 15-minute ceremony at St. James' Church attended by 150 guests, including Lauren Bacall, Frank Sinatra and Nancy Walker, Clift was buried in the Friends [Quaker] Cemetery, Prospect Park, Brooklyn, New York City. Elizabeth Taylor, who was in Paris, sent flowers, as did Roddy McDowall, Myrna Loy and Lew Wasserman.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 3:35 AM GMT
    he was born in the year of the metal monkey and died in the year of the fire horse.

    I'm thinking of Warren Beatty and Tom Cruise

    Montgomery-Clift-2-V8ELKQBVVQ-1024x768.j
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 09, 2014 11:25 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    ART_DECO said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    But unlike you, I was also out in the 1960s., and standing up for same sex love. Something you did not do until what 50.icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you're 52, you were born in 1962.

    How the HELL were you out in the 1960s before you were even 9 years old, and "standing up for same sex love"?

    You are so BUSTED! icon_razz.gif

    Not busted! You got it wrong sunshineicon_redface.gif. In fact I was born in 61, and out from the age of six, and that makes it very much the 1960s, that was not very different to the 1950's out in the Aussie bush.

    Now thats a bloody big difference to coming out at 50, when most of the hard work had already been done and it was safe too [sic] wave the rainbow flag.

    The rainbow flag didn't exist until the mid-1970s. When you were still a young teenager.

    So you were "standing up for same sex love" at 9, in 1970, and even earlier in the 1960s? Do I have the math right?

    That would make you a prodigy indeed. And BTW, in regards to math, I came out at 45, not 50. Not that it wasn't late enough, but I am a stickler for accuracy.



    I knew there is a reason I blocked and ignored "tru_blu_liar"...thanks for helping to remind me.....such a troll.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 10, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    I think the 9 year old activist line is a better one in this debate. It's almost as if Underdog really did save the world.icon_rolleyes.gif