Message to Judgemental people..

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    Dec 23, 2008 1:53 PM GMT
    Just thought I would share my youtube video I made to judgmental Christians..



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    Dec 24, 2008 12:04 AM GMT
    There have been a number of RJ members who has been judgemental of me because I believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour and the Bible as the Word of God. I have admitted to being a creationist, because I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space. Yet evolutionary Gays have come down on me like a ton of bricks, simply because I think evolution is crushingly cruel and totally without compassion. Yet If they could, they would throw me out of Real Jock altogether. I have questioned whether children should be brought up by gay or straight parents. This was gotten from the Media of gay paedophile rings who hurt and abuse children. Again I was judged as being homophobic, despite that such news appear time and time again. Since then, I have given this subject a re-think, and I now believe that there are many gays who would make good parents. There is even a quack who thinks he is so high and above everybody else, he is too snobby to answer a question I have put to him. That is another form of judgement, and its subtlety makes it even more abhorrant.
    My Christian message is not poison, as one member has called it, but a simple message that Jesus Christ has given His life on the cross for us, so that anyone who believes may receive eternal life (in Heaven after death). Period. Where is the judgement in this?
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    Dec 24, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    NotThatOld perhaps this will help you:
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    Dec 24, 2008 12:57 AM GMT
    NotThatOld saidThere have been a number of RJ members who has been judgemental of me because I believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour and the Bible as the Word of God. I have admitted to being a creationist, because I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space. Yet evolutionary Gays have come down on me like a ton of bricks, simply because I think evolution is crushingly cruel and totally without compassion. Yet If they could, they would throw me out of Real Jock altogether. I have questioned whether children should be brought up by gay or straight parents. This was gotten from the Media of gay paedophile rings who hurt and abuse children. Again I was judged as being homophobic, despite that such news appear time and time again. Since then, I have given this subject a re-think, and I now believe that there are many gays who would make good parents. There is even a quack who thinks he is so high and above everybody else, he is too snobby to answer a question I have put to him. That is another form of judgement, and its subtlety makes it even more abhorrant.
    My Christian message is not poison, as one member has called it, but a simple message that Jesus Christ has given His life on the cross for us, so that anyone who believes may receive eternal life (in Heaven after death). Period. Where is the judgement in this?


    Well, I don't want to be judgmental (and I'm fairly new here and haven't seen the past conversations that you mention), but it sounds like you're acknowledging that you prefer to believe what makes you comfortable and happy rather than what is probably true. And that's OK if you acknowledge it in reference to your creationist beliefs. If you want to believe that, go ahead.

    But I hope you don't feel that because you believe something that makes you feel better, that's what children should be taught in school. Children should be taught the truth in school. And evolution really is the truth. It may not be as nice as creationism, but it's the truth.

    As for the gay-parents issue, you're ignoring the fact that most child abuse is done by straight people and people who present themselves to the world as straight.

    Is there some danger that a gay person might adopt a child and sexually abuse that child? Of course. But no more (and possibly less) danger than there is with a straight person.
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    Dec 24, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
    swimbikerun saidNotThatOld perhaps this will help you:


    This is the best video ever put on youtube.
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    Dec 24, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    theatrengym is right on the money that children should be taught the truth. Evolution is the truth of how life came to be followed by facts and evidence which surrounds us all. Evolution in itself is a beautiful truth of how Life, adapts to one's environment.

    Now why can't hard core zealots adapt to the fact that gays are equal human beings as well? Oh wait, they don't believe in evolution, cause its not a fairy tale. Which is just sad...

    I'll pray that their minds be opened to the truth and that may their hearts remind them to be compassionate.
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    Dec 24, 2008 3:42 AM GMT

    NotThatOld said,

    "There have been a number of RJ members who has been judgemental of me because I believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour and the Bible as the Word of God. I have admitted to being a creationist, because I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space."

    There is nothing wrong with you believing in Christ as your saviour. Just as long as it's not demanded of everyone else. There many paths up the mountain, you know.

    The bible has been misinterpreted and mistranslated so many times it's now an adulterated Word. (Check out how St Jerome mis-translated sodomy - it's an eye opener) and if others express dismay that you believe the bible word for word, realize that they may care about what you think, and that's surely a compliment to you; that you matter. Because you do.

    As for evolution, creationism is an old story written by men that could only understand God without knowing what a molecule was, so put God's words into words they could understand.
    To even pretend to know God's subtleties and marvelous amazing complexities in building existence and reducing it to an old style 'creationism' when we now know more and more is heresy, I think. I guess I'm a creationist of sorts because I believe God created the evolutionary process, proton particles and even quantum theory stuff.

    And again, a compliment and a knowledge that if we care about what you think, we must in some way care about you....icon_wink.gif


    Merry Christmas, NotThatOld!!

    -Doug of meninlove
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    Dec 24, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    NotThatOld said My Christian message is not poison, as one member has called it, but a simple message that Jesus Christ has given His life on the cross for us, so that anyone who believes may receive eternal life (in Heaven after death). Period. Where is the judgement in this?


    I'll take a stab here. The judgment in this is that most often those who use Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation, define salvation as the ultimate goal and desire for all of us and give the only roadmap to achieving it. Some faiths believe there is no quest for salvation, for we already have it (Theravada), we cannot achieve liberation until all beings are liberated (Mahayana) or that we are not separate from God or salvation (Advaita Vedanta). All these traditions would argue your "Period."

    They would argue it yet be open to the truths of your point, however I am not certain that most holding a firm Christian message would be so dialogical. A problem with discourse is that both sides need to be open to hearing, willing to being moved, and feeling out the other position. There are many traditions that encourage interreligious dialogue (look at Jorge Ferrer's work on comparative mysticism), yet those schools of thought that claim to have the ultimate, the only, or the one true answer do not enter into conversation with humility and respect, or honor the validity of those other voices. This, I believe, is where some see the poison.
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    Dec 24, 2008 4:05 AM GMT
    Well I am a christian as I stated in the video and thing is I don't push it on people. I will talk about it, but not in a harsh overbearing way. I also do not tell people they are wrong in what they feel. Nor should they do to me. I am all about learning and hearing different beliefs and ideas, but if I don't follow a path by a particular group I shouldn't be made to feel I am wrong. Especially from another gay person. I think in all belief systems rather it be God or whatever it is you beleive the main factors are Love for one another. As it should be.
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    NotThatOld saidThere have been a number of RJ members who has been judgemental of me because I believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour and the Bible as the Word of God. I have admitted to being a creationist, because I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space.


    See, already you're acting like a judgmental little bitch. First you claim that RJ members are judging you. Then in the very next SENTENCE you claim that the molecular biology approach leads to a state of extreme loneliness and no purpose.

    Now do you understand why people hate people like you? It's because you act like a judgmental little bitch. You still don't understand the video above your post do you?

    I believe in the molecular biology approach. I'm lonely but that's because I live in LA, but not because I know I'm going to rot in the ground (if I dieicon_smile.gif). I have a purpose in life, even though I don't hold a set of beliefs that have no logical empiricism behind them.
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    Dec 24, 2008 4:25 AM GMT

    Hey, OP, I liked your video icon_redface.gif
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    Dec 24, 2008 4:41 AM GMT
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    NotThatOld saidThere have been a number of RJ members who has been judgemental of me because I believe in Jesus Christ as Saviour and the Bible as the Word of God. I have admitted to being a creationist, because I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space.


    See, already you're acting like a judgmental little bitch. First you claim that RJ members are judging you. Then in the very next SENTENCE you claim that the molecular biology approach leads to a state of extreme loneliness and no purpose.

    Now do you understand why people hate people like you? It's because you act like a judgmental little bitch. You still don't understand the video above your post do you?

    I believe in the molecular biology approach. I'm lonely but that's because I live in LA, but not because I know I'm going to rot in the ground (if I dieicon_smile.gif). I have a purpose in life, even though I don't hold a set of beliefs that have no logical empiricism behind them.


    I gotta disagree with you here a bit, jakebenson. What NotThatOld wrote was, " ... I much prefer to believe that I was created by a Heavenly Father than to believe that I'm here as a chance accident of molecular biology, which leaves me in a state of extreme loneliness and without purpose in life, ie just a waste of space."

    It seems to me that NotThatOld was pretty clearly saying that he is left feeling lonely and purposeless if he contemplates a universe that wasn't created by a "Heavenly Father." It didn't seem that he was saying anything beyond what he feels about his own life. He wrote "I," "I'm," and "me." In what you quoted, nowhere does he claim to know what other people feel or should feel.

    Personally, I kind of know how he feels. I sometimes wish I wasn't an atheist. I wish I could believe in God. It might make me feel a little better about some things. It might also make me feel worse about others. But I'm unable to believe in God.

    I think we have to make our own purpose in life. And that can be tough.

    Fortunately, we do have other people here to help us.
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    swimbikerun saidNotThatOld perhaps this will help you:


    This is the best video ever put on youtube.


    Outstanding. Excellent Vid.
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    Dec 24, 2008 5:34 AM GMT
    I remember on my road trip to atheism how unwilling I was to deny the existence of God. Pulling at that thread seemed like it would unravel the universe and my own existence, and it filled me with dread. The moment I allowed the question to be asked, "What if I'm wrong?" was all that it took to bleed my beliefs dry. Consequently, I'm no longer afraid of the unknown empty universe, since I'm convinced it was unknown and empty before I got here and will be long after I'm gone.

    I felt betrayed by those who supported and indoctrinated me in religion. Except that they are my uneducated parents and grandparents. So there's nowhere for that pointless, impotent fury to go. I evolved when I dismissed it.

    NotThatOld, I understand your dread. I think you'll evolve.
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    NotThatOld said I have questioned whether children should be brought up by gay or straight parents. This was gotten from the Media of gay paedophile rings who hurt and abuse children. Again I was judged as being homophobic, despite that such news appear time and time again. Since then, I have given this subject a re-think, and I now believe that there are many gays who would make good parents.


    According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 95% of child molesters are heterosexual males. "Pediatrics" (a leading medical journal) and the "Archives of Sexual Behavior" found that LESS THAN 1% of convicted child molesters are gay.

    http://www.pflag.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Action_Alerts/BRIEF__Child_Abuse_and_Homosexuality.pdf

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


    I'm not sure where you are getting your "news"? I never see news of gay pedophiles. I usually see news of female teachers involved with male students, and old men kidnapping little girls.
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    Caslon, if you don't give a damn, then simply don't post.

    Jake, please point out the people here that hate NotThatOld. We sure don't. He's on a great and marvelous discovery. He's here.

    You can only speak for yourself, jake, not others.
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    NotThatOld said I have questioned whether children should be brought up by gay or straight parents. This was gotten from the Media of gay paedophile rings who hurt and abuse children. Again I was judged as being homophobic, despite that such news appear time and time again. Since then, I have given this subject a re-think, and I now believe that there are many gays who would make good parents.


    According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 95% of child molesters are heterosexual males. "Pediatrics" (a leading medical journal) and the "Archives of Sexual Behavior" found that LESS THAN 1% of convicted child molesters are gay.

    http://www.pflag.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Action_Alerts/BRIEF__Child_Abuse_and_Homosexuality.pdf

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


    I'm not sure where you are getting your "news"? I never see news of gay pedophiles. I usually see news of female teachers involved with male students, and old men kidnapping little girls.


    Yes, what really should happen is that straight people shouldn't be allowed to adopt. Only gay people should be allowed to adopt.

    The problem with that is that they'd probably start forcing us to adopt. And having kids is something I've never wanted.

    Yeah, NotThatOld is seriously misguided on that point.
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    Dec 24, 2008 6:03 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI remember on my road trip to atheism how unwilling I was to deny the existence of God. Pulling at that thread seemed like it would unravel the universe and my own existence, and it filled me with dread. The moment I allowed the question to be asked, "What if I'm wrong?" was all that it took to bleed my beliefs dry. Consequently, I'm no longer afraid of the unknown empty universe, since I'm convinced it was unknown and empty before I got here and will be long after I'm gone.

    I felt betrayed by those who supported and indoctrinated me in religion. Except that they are my uneducated parents and grandparents. So there's nowhere for that pointless, impotent fury to go. I evolved when I dismissed it.

    NotThatOld, I understand your dread. I think you'll evolve.


    Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. I do hope he evolves on some things, like his very misguided point of view on gay people adopting kids.

    As for the God thing, you and I know we're right. If other people want to fool themselves, I'm not going to judge them for being weak fools. icon_wink.gif

    "Evolve," huh? LOL.
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    Dec 24, 2008 6:06 AM GMT
    Great message but I think a little too long for the typical American's attention span. Humans are corrupted by their own free will. Humans will defy their faith, their country, their loved ones when it suits them. All you can do is lead by example and pray that you can have a positive influence on others. Stay strong!
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    Dec 24, 2008 6:09 AM GMT
    funny name!
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    You like it? Lol it was cougar_bait hahaha
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    Dec 24, 2008 6:16 AM GMT
    has jakebensen seen it?
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    Dec 24, 2008 6:21 AM GMT
    I haven't been hit with a chipotle yet so I'm guessing no HAHAHA
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