How high is to high for testosterone?

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    Mar 10, 2014 2:58 AM GMT
    HI,

    I'm new to this site, so if I mess up please forgive me. Four months ago I was put on testosterone therapy because mine was low. I am on a compound testosterone, the jar from the pharmacy says its 5% testosterone gel, 120 GM, I take Two 1/8 teaspoons daily, once in the morning and once before bed. Below is my recent lab results on that therapy. My testosterone is higher than the normal range. My question is: I have heard allot about guys with high testosterone being susceptible to strokes and heart attacks. Is my level too high? Although I love the pump I feel at the gym and like the quick results I'm seeing, I don't want my testosterone to be so high that it puts my life at risk. I have not gone back to my doctor, honestly I don't think he knows what he's doing.

    My lab results:

    Total testosterone - 10.5 High ng/mL Range - 2.2 - 8.4
    Free testosterone - 18.82 pg/mL Range - 7.30-25.00
    TSH - 1.110 ulU/mL Range - 0.358-3.740

    Please advise. Thank you !!
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 10, 2014 4:17 PM GMT
    I had mine tested (because of age) and got a reading back from the blood work that was in ng/dL with a suggested range of 300-750 (though that range probably is adjusted for age group and you're younger). Did you get a reading that looks like that? None of the ones you posted were on my report.
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    Mar 10, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    Gentlemen, can I ask a very honest question about your T levels (more specifically your libidos) around the age of thirty? I have learned in school and heard that a man's sexual peek is between 18 and 23.... Well I am 29 and WHOA BABY! I am constantly sexually aroused (which I find annoying..) but sometimes I get so one-tract and 'hungry' that I get in these moods where I either wanna 'fuck it, kill it, or eat it'.... It feels like a second puberty.... (Now that I think about it, my forehead is breaking out like it did during puberty as well.... ???? strange...?) There is a constant drive to experience any and all new sensations, but sexualized... I imagine this is what animals feel like when they are 'in heat' but add human emotion and cognition and the fact that this lasts more than a week into the mix.... Stress is ever present in my life, but I thought stress decreased libido... Anyway, when you guys were my age did you experience a hypersexuality? if so, how long did it last and when did your libido start to drop off(if it ever did) ?

    If this is too personal of a question I apologize :-), I will ask a doctor about blood tests if this persists but before I went that route I thought Id ask around to see how typical this is.
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    Mar 10, 2014 5:28 PM GMT
    GrowingSpartan saidHI,

    I'm new to this site, so if I mess up please forgive me. Four months ago I was put on testosterone therapy because mine was low. I am on a compound testosterone, the jar from the pharmacy says its 5% testosterone gel, 120 GM, I take Two 1/8 teaspoons daily, once in the morning and once before bed. Below is my recent lab results on that therapy. My testosterone is higher than the normal range. My question is: I have heard allot about guys with high testosterone being susceptible to strokes and heart attacks. Is my level too high? Although I love the pump I feel at the gym and like the quick results I'm seeing, I don't want my testosterone to be so high that it puts my life at risk. I have not gone back to my doctor, honestly I don't think he knows what he's doing.

    My lab results:

    Total testosterone - 10.5 High ng/mL Range - 2.2 - 8.4
    Free testosterone - 18.82 pg/mL Range - 7.30-25.00
    TSH - 1.110 ulU/mL Range - 0.358-3.740

    Please advise. Thank you !!


    Your tsh (thyroid stimulating hormone) is in the mid range of normal. It could maybe be up a bit. You can research this yourself, further. There some benefits to fine tuning your tsh, mainly, metabolic efficiency.

    Free test is generally your guide, which..you're in normal.

    Your lipid panel should be what you're paying closer attention to. Tamoxifen is well known for improving lipid panels for folks using exogenous testosterone. Depending on how knowledgeable your medical help is, you may, or may not, get good guidance there.

    Taking adrogens will generally lower both your LDL, and HDL. You'll want fish oil, flaxseed oil, krill oil, olive oil, almond butter, peanut butter, nuts, avacodos, etc. (good polys and monos).

    The real danger is the testosterone is more the estrogen to testosterone ratio, and your lipid panel

    Decades of HRT research with HIV patients have shown remarkably improved outcomes with those patients on HRT, and there's a long list of benefits. That's why the FDA didn't hesitate to approve another topical testosterone formulation this week.

    It used to be said that test caused prostate cancer. Not true. It's the ratio of estrogen to test. E2 gets too high. Higher DHT can cause some benign prostate enlargement and accelerated baldness (you can't go bald without the gene, and DHT just speeds it up). We now know that PSA tests really don't have the value that was once that, as more correlations have been drawn deeper down in research.

    Someone who knows what they are doing will know how to mitigate bad effects.

    For most, including me, the benefits of HRT far outway risk factors.

    There's a strong body of evidence that many of the diseases of aging are because the E2 is too high relative to free T.

    Beware of statins. While they'll lower your LDL, they'll kill your CK levels (well, put them over the top), and greatly impair your ability for muscular recovery. In my own case, I am not on any statins because they run my CK off the chart, and cause all sorts of muscle issues. Although drug marketing would have you believe otherwise, for an active person, with a good diet, THEY ARE ILL ADVISED, and will hinder your exercise performance and recovery, as well as up your risk of some other mortalities.

    In long term studies with HIV patients, medical outcomes are markedly IMPROVED with HRT.

    It can add years to your life, and allow you to continue to exercise at a level to keep your heart and body healthy. In general, the risks are easily mitigated via proper diet, and tamoxifen (not statins, which are highly bad for anyone active). There's a much lower risk of diseases of aging with HRT. Main thing is the lipid panel. As your test comes up, your cholesterol (steroids are cholesterol in nature) numbers are going to change. That HDL is going to be lowered (because it's being used), and, usually, the LDL will come down with it.

    I've had a whole team of top of the industry folks that I've worked with on all this. Don't buy into some 2 minute package on a tv news show.

    Additionally, you need to make sure you CMP and CBC is fine. It should be, but, if your hematocrit, or your RBC, get too high, you'll want to make changes. You should be watching the CMP, and CBC, anyway, to detect early issues with other disease.

    As a matter of good practice, you should be taking 81mcg of aspirin daily as part of a heart healthy regimen (unless it's medically contra-indicated via a allergy or your ability to convert the aspirin).

    Testosterone is good medicine.

    My lipid panel is 100/38, FYI. Could be higher on the HDL, and sometimes I can get it higher, but, it reguires me really making sure I get more good fat. I'm considered at zero risk of heart disease because of my lipid panel ratio. Few folks will have a LDL below 100, and that's very good.

    Tamoxifen is very commonly sold as a research chemical. You can research its benefits online.

    Finally, as your E2 (estrogen) comes up, you retain more fluid, which, may mean your bp will come up. You need to check it.

    In case you don't know it: testosterone breaks down into DHT, and estrogen (another steroid). DHT promotes what's called anabolic wellness (a sense of well being). Estrogen has lots of good benefits (immunity and lipid panel, as well as libido (yes, via the HPTTA circuit / HPT axis (excuse me if I miss a letter here))), but, too much in ratio to test can cause issues.

    A well informed endocrinologist who has worked with active folks will know all this. He'll tell you basically what I told you and have you throw the statins in the trash. The PT will have you ditch the statins, too.
  • DiverScience

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    Mar 10, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    Chucky is right, the important thing is usually your E2 (estradiol) to T (testosterone).

    In the male body, estrogen is aromatized to testosterone. If you have an excess, it will tend to get cross converted back to estrogen.
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    Mar 10, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
    DiverScience saidChucky is right, the important thing is usually your E2 (estradiol) to T (testosterone).

    In the male body, estrogen is aromatized to testosterone. If you have an excess, it will tend to get cross converted back to estrogen.


    What do you mean by aromatized? Is it a process by the brain?
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    Mar 10, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    MK1220 saidI have learned in school and heard that a man's sexual peek is between 18 and 23.... Well I am 29 and WHOA BABY! I am constantly sexually aroused...

    Honey, I didn't even begin to calm down until I was in my mid-forties. Get back to us then.
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    Mar 10, 2014 9:43 PM GMT
    FutureBanana said
    DiverScience saidChucky is right, the important thing is usually your E2 (estradiol) to T (testosterone).

    In the male body, estrogen is aromatized to testosterone. If you have an excess, it will tend to get cross converted back to estrogen.


    What do you mean by aromatized? Is it a process by the brain?


    It's a chemical reaction sweety. If you don't know what a benzene ring is, don't worry about it. (And actually, I believe that it's the other way around.)
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    Mar 10, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    Please be aware there is a tsunami of lawsuits against these hormone replacement companies. There are apparently lots of health risks from tampering with your hormones, which Cancer being one of the top three.
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    Mar 10, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
    It would be best to see an endocrinologist about this. It is rather complicated and non-specialists should not be relied upon for accurate information. Considerable harm can result from adjusting hormone levels without competent medical advice and monitoring.

    I'm on a small dosage of a thyroid supplement because both my testosterone and thyroid level were slightly low. They are interrelated; raising the thyroid level to normal will also increase the testosterone level.
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    Mar 10, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
    You can actually skip reading all the studies if you just use a bit of common sense....

    Testosterone cannot be targeted strictly to muscle fibers only. When you ingest testosterone, it will not only enlarge your biceps but all your organs too. And guess what? Your heart is a muscle. So if you're okay with having an enlarged heart, go ahead.
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    Mar 10, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    Fiddling with this stuff scares the willies out of me.

    First, it is good that you are dealing with a doctor about this. One would wonder what the cause of your low testosterone was in the first place and why the doctor chose to medicate you.

    If you are not confident that your present doctor is doing the right thing, then you have the option of consulting another doctor who should be an endocrinologist. Take the test results and discuss them.

    As helpful as the experiences of guys online may be and as many things as they may give you to think about, it is really best to work with doctors on this sort of thing. We are wonderfully made and much more complex than we realize, so get the most expert help you can.
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    Mar 10, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    My ex died of a heart attack after being prescribed testosterone at 42. He was in exceptional shape and was fanatical about his health. He literally just dropped dead one day.
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    GrowingSpartan saidHI,

    I'm new to this site, so if I mess up please forgive me. Four months ago I was put on testosterone therapy because mine was low. I am on a compound testosterone, the jar from the pharmacy says its 5% testosterone gel, 120 GM, I take Two 1/8 teaspoons daily, once in the morning and once before bed. Below is my recent lab results on that therapy. My testosterone is higher than the normal range. My question is: I have heard allot about guys with high testosterone being susceptible to strokes and heart attacks. Is my level too high? Although I love the pump I feel at the gym and like the quick results I'm seeing, I don't want my testosterone to be so high that it puts my life at risk. I have not gone back to my doctor, honestly I don't think he knows what he's doing.

    My lab results:

    Total testosterone - 10.5 High ng/mL Range - 2.2 - 8.4
    Free testosterone - 18.82 pg/mL Range - 7.30-25.00
    TSH - 1.110 ulU/mL Range - 0.358-3.740

    Please advise. Thank you !!



    Do you notice a shrinkage of your testicles ?
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    Mar 11, 2014 12:00 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidMy ex died of a heart attack after being prescribed testosterone at 42. He was in exceptional shape and was fanatical about his health. He literally just dropped dead one day.


    As does a portion of the population.

    My friend, Armondo, died last Monday, at 44. He was Hispanic, never worked out..ever, did not smoke, and was not a juice head; ate like crap.

    A given portion of the population will be part of the mortality deviation. That doesn't mean his HRT killed him.

    My friend had a MI on December 27'th 2013, and suffered heart and brain damage. He died last Monday, at 44, when they finally took him off the ventilator.

    Whatever your observation, it doesn't change the actual statistics of improved outcomes for HRT use.

    No activity is without risk. We all assume risks. Driving a motor vehicle is one of them.

    Decades of critical observation with HIV patients, and geriatrics, show that HRT has overwhelmingly positive effects. I've spoken, at length, with geriatric physicians, and my own health care providers about this.

    If your ex was a runner, know this: sudden death syndrome is highest in those folks who run daily. The mechanism is not fully understood, but, it's the case. Microscopic heart damage from running over extended periods of time is suspected to be involved, but, not proven.

    Sorry for your loss, but, sudden death is rarely caused by what HRT would cause (an altered lipid panel). That would start with stable angina (chest pain upon activity). More likely, if your ex was a runner he fell victim to sudden death syndrome.

    If your ex was not active, but, just lean, he likely had some level of undetected heart disease.

    I detected my own heart disease (resultant of hypertension and a low fat diet, instead of a diet high in poly and mono fats) doing intensive step ups with weights and stable angina.

    The HRT is not the problem, for heart disease. The lipid panel is the problem.

    Edit: I will add that aside from a lipid panel, elevated RBC / high hematocrit can become an issue. Most folks should take 81mcg of aspirin per day unless there's some reason not to.
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    Mar 11, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
    LJay saidFiddling with this stuff scares the willies out of me.

    First, it is good that you are dealing with a doctor about this. One would wonder what the cause of your low testosterone was in the first place and why the doctor chose to medicate you.

    If you are not confident that your present doctor is doing the right thing, then you have the option of consulting another doctor who should be an endocrinologist. Take the test results and discuss them.

    As helpful as the experiences of guys online may be and as many things as they may give you to think about, it is really best to work with doctors on this sort of thing. We are wonderfully made and much more complex than we realize, so get the most expert help you can.


    Low test can happen for lots of reasons. Diet, stress, over training, age.

    I've spent hour stalking with geriatric doctors in AZ where HRT has taken folks non-ambulatory and allow them to get up and drive themselves home to MT.
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    Mar 11, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    FutureBanana said
    DiverScience saidChucky is right, the important thing is usually your E2 (estradiol) to T (testosterone).

    In the male body, estrogen is aromatized to testosterone. If you have an excess, it will tend to get cross converted back to estrogen.


    What do you mean by aromatized? Is it a process by the brain?


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    Mar 11, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
    Thank you, You guys have given me so much feed back, and allot to think about. WOW. In answer to a few questions I read. The ranges that I listed are what appeared on the test results, thats all I know. My Estradiol level on my labs was 20.8.. the test shows the Estradiol level for a male should be between 3 - 70 pg/mL. My testosterone has been low since my mid 30s, and I have gone on and off of it often. It has good and bad affects. I can tell when its low, my mind gets continually cloudy, I can't think as sharply, I loose energy, and even with consistently working out my body will change and get soft, my workouts feel like Im accomplishing nothing, and my sex drive is almost non existent. When Im on the testosterone, all that changes, Im become really smart, and sharp minded, I have more energy, my workouts give me a great pump, my body looks good and I have a great sex drive. The down side is that I have to watch my temperament. When Im on the testosterone I seem to want to take charge, I speak strongly, and if something or someone bothers me, I have to use self control and guard my emotions. Without the testosterone, Im more soft spoken and more of a mild mannered type person. My health insurance just changed, I have to call and find out how to go about finding another Endocrinologist to monitor my hormones appropriately. I will definitely be going to another doctor regarding this.

    Thank you guys again for all your input!!
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    Mar 11, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidHere is a NYT main editorial on February 4, 2014:

    A large study has found substantial risks in prescribing testosterone to middle-age and older men for a variety of ailments. One part of the study found that testosterone doubled the risk of cardiovascular disease in more than 7,000 men who were 65 years old or older, essentially confirming findings in previous studies. The other part found that testosterone almost tripled the risk of heart attacks in a group of more than 48,000 middle-age men with previous histories of heart disease. The harm in both cases occurred within 90 days of receiving the prescription.

    The new study — conducted by researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles; the National Institutes of Health; and Consolidated Research — analyzed prescription records from a large database of insurance health claims around the country. In a striking comparison, it found that drugs used to treat erectile dysfunction, such as Viagra and Cialis, which are often prescribed for similar purposes, did not increase heart risks.

    The study, published last week in the online journal PLOS One, provides the most compelling evidence yet that many American men have embarked on a perilous course of overtreatment. Testosterone is clearly indicated to treat abnormally low levels of the hormone because of genetic or pathological causes, a condition known as hypogonadism. But a huge upsurge in prescriptions in recent years suggests that testosterone is now being prescribed to men who are simply reluctant to accept the fact that they are getting older. In many cases, doctors are prescribing testosterone without even ascertaining whether a patient’s testosterone levels are actually low or whether he has a medical condition that justifies it.

    The reason seems clear. Drug companies have shamelessly pushed the notion, to doctors and to the public, that their testosterone-boosting product can overcome a supposed disease called “low T,” which is characterized by feelings of fatigue, loss of sexual drive, depressed moods, an increase in body fat and decrease in muscle strength, among other symptoms.

    Incredibly, AbbVie, which makes the market-leading testosterone gel known as AndroGel, lists “low T” as one of five important health risks facing men, along with high cholesterol, high blood pressure, high blood sugar and high levels of prostate-specific antigen that may indicate prostate cancer.

    The overselling is reminiscent of the reckless overprescribing of hormone replacement therapy to millions of American women as an anti-aging elixir until a large federal study in 2002 found that some pills were causing more harm than good.

    Men need to recognize the dangers of seeking a quick fix for aging, and doctors need to be more cautious in prescribing. Some experts are calling for a large clinical trial to document the risks and benefits more definitively. The latest study provides enough evidence to persuade regulators to strengthen warning labels and find ways to rein in the industry’s promotional efforts.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/opinion/overselling-testosterone-dangerously.html?


    T costs next to nothing to make, and ... drug companies got it controlled and charge a pile for minute amounts of it. My HRT, which I've enjoyed for years, is at 10% compounded.

    You need to avail yourself of the latest research on PSA / prostate cancer. The single best thing for high blood sugar is resistance exercise (and diet).

    Reality is that feel in better; being stronger; having better cognitive function, are all good things.

    HRT has now exceeded boner pills in sales.

    T is not the cause of a bad lipid panel, and certainly isn't as bad as drugs like Tylenol or statins, which are terrible on your liver functions. Statins destroy muscle and contribute to some other diseases.

    Agreed, the drug business, and drug policy, are about big money, but, it's important to really did down on these things.

    As I said, my lipid panel is 100/38. The 38 is a bit low for HDL, but, it's always been low. I gobble down O3s and O6s to keep it up. Given my current lipid panel, I'm considered at zero risk of heart disease. I can take my heart rate out to 188 (doctor says feel free to take it to 200bpm). I routinely take my heart rate out to 175 doing legs (HIIT leg day). Baylor calls me one of their most successful patients ever and every single provider has encouraged me to compete again, stating that the benefits far exceed the down side.

    It's important to actually dig down on this.

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    Mar 11, 2014 8:59 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidPlease be aware there is a tsunami of lawsuits against these hormone replacement companies. There are apparently lots of health risks from tampering with your hormones, which Cancer being one of the top three.


    There are a storm of money grabbing lawyers wanting to class action because of a single study.

    Didn't you study this?
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    Mar 11, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Scruffypup saidMy ex died of a heart attack after being prescribed testosterone at 42. He was in exceptional shape and was fanatical about his health. He literally just dropped dead one day.


    How long was your ex boyfriend on testosterone replacement therapy until the time he had his heart attack? Or was it a heart attack? Dropping dead without any logical reason would require some type of autopsy. What was the actual cause of death clinically?


    I actually shouldn't call him my "ex." He was someone I dated for a while. An autopsy was performed and the findings determined he died of a heart attack. We were no longer seeing each other when he died so I don't know any other details of the report. He was about 42 when he died and he had been on HRT for 5-10 years.
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    Mar 11, 2014 11:33 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYou can actually skip reading all the studies if you just use a bit of common sense....

    Testosterone cannot be targeted strictly to muscle fibers only. When you ingest testosterone, it will not only enlarge your biceps but all your organs too. And guess what? Your heart is a muscle. So if you're okay with having an enlarged heart, go ahead.
    Bravo Mr. icon_smile.gif...testosterone pumps your muscles=> heart is a muschle=> heart gets big=> the bigger the heart the stronger the ejection=> strong blong ejection= high blood pressure that causes edemas, low oxygenation of brain,heart strokes, brain strokes.
    Also a high hormone level in any type of situation will have a cascade effect on other hormones...so its best to talk with a very smart endocrinologist that knows what can help you.
    I would advice you to get a testosterone stimulator for endogenous testosterone as whats urs is better then whats made out of a pharmacy.Try Protein Factory, Unleashed.
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    Mar 17, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    ChrisMD said
    Scruffypup saidYou can actually skip reading all the studies if you just use a bit of common sense....

    Testosterone cannot be targeted strictly to muscle fibers only. When you ingest testosterone, it will not only enlarge your biceps but all your organs too. And guess what? Your heart is a muscle. So if you're okay with having an enlarged heart, go ahead.
    Bravo Mr. icon_smile.gif...testosterone pumps your muscles=> heart is a muschle=> heart gets big=> the bigger the heart the stronger the ejection=> strong blong ejection= high blood pressure that causes edemas, low oxygenation of brain,heart strokes, brain strokes.
    Also a high hormone level in any type of situation will have a cascade effect on other hormones...so its best to talk with a very smart endocrinologist that knows what can help you.
    I would advice you to get a testosterone stimulator for endogenous testosterone as whats urs is better then whats made out of a pharmacy.Try Protein Factory, Unleashed.


    Again, this isn't qualified. LVH in athletes, especially strength trained athletes is NORMAL, and expected. Research it before you open your mouth. In my personal case, my heart is stronger, and .2mm larger than a sedentary person, as IT SHOULD BE. It's called having AN ATHLETIC HEART. FYI, a strong ejection fraction is GOOD, and slows your heart rate. That's why doctor's give beta blockers. Beta blockers UP the amount of time the heart pauses, allowing the heart to fill more fully, and it increases the ejection fraction. That is a GOOD thing. You have no clue what you're talking about. Ever read the studies on Lance Armstrong's heart? His ejection fraction is very high (nearly 3 times a sedentary person).

    Edema is caused by E2 (estrogen) being too high. That's easily treated with Tamoxifen which also IMPROVES lipid panel.

    Before you talk shit you know nothing about, dig in on your research.

    LVH, edema, and bp, and more often than not resultant of inactivity, smoking, high bp.

    It's easy to check with ultrasound. I've had it done numerous times over the years.

    On top of that, I am 53 years old and can take my heart rate well out above my max: I routinely take it out to 190 bpm.

    As you get more muscle, you have to move more blood. When that happens your heart rate comes up, your vascular system changes. If you are well conditioned via HIIT, your heart rate will be slower, but, but with a enhanced vascular system. The body adapts by increasing your vascular system to provide that additional blood supply (i.e. a healthy vascular system). The better conditioned you are, the lower the rate, and the longer the interval (you can read about the different intervals online). That's part and parcel of my cardio exercise is so important as you add more muscle. Other things happen, too...things like collateral circulation. Your body literally grow you blood supplies to those places that are under supplied (some folks have clogged hearts but never have a MI because they develop extensive collateral circulation).

    Even in well trained athletes (if they have sinus tachycardia) a good doctor will put them on a low dose B1 beta blocker to remodel their heart and improve their ejection fraction. Typically, that high heart rate in young people can come from too many stimulants, or rapid weight gain.

    Being lighter will always mean less work for the body as a machine....always...but, the body adapts to that increased living mass.

    Strength training is really good for improving bones, and muscles, and keeping diabetes at bay, and...raising your metabolic rate AS YOU GROW OLDER.

    Do you know your lipid panel?
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    Mar 17, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    GrowingSpartan saidI have to call and find out how to go about finding another Endocrinologist to monitor my hormones appropriately. I will definitely be going to another doctor regarding this.

    Why bother? You've got chuckystud here giving you all the free medical advice you need.
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    GrowingSpartan saidHI,

    I'm new to this site, so if I mess up please forgive me. Four months ago I was put on testosterone therapy because mine was low. I am on a compound testosterone, the jar from the pharmacy says its 5% testosterone gel, 120 GM, I take Two 1/8 teaspoons daily, once in the morning and once before bed. Below is my recent lab results on that therapy. My testosterone is higher than the normal range. My question is: I have heard allot about guys with high testosterone being susceptible to strokes and heart attacks. Is my level too high? Although I love the pump I feel at the gym and like the quick results I'm seeing, I don't want my testosterone to be so high that it puts my life at risk. I have not gone back to my doctor, honestly I don't think he knows what he's doing.

    My lab results:

    Total testosterone - 10.5 High ng/mL Range - 2.2 - 8.4
    Free testosterone - 18.82 pg/mL Range - 7.30-25.00
    TSH - 1.110 ulU/mL Range - 0.358-3.740

    Please advise. Thank you !!


    You should not take any medical advice from anonymous profiles on a website.

    Talk to your physician. It all depends on your past history results and what he/she thinks.

    My total testosterone is also naturally high.

    DO NOT TAKE ANY SUPPLEMENTS OR THERAPIES WITHOUT YOUR REGULAR PHYSICIAN KNOWLEDGE AND GUIDANCE.

    Everything has toxicity limits, and they may interact with medications, hormone therapy or "natural" supplements.