CPAC - change within the GOP

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    Mar 11, 2014 9:38 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/us/politics/social-issues-splitting-young-republicans-from-their-elders.html
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    Mar 11, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
    i read the article.

    -issues like gay marriage, abortion, something everyone has an opinion on, are important for a political party since it gets citizens that normally would not vote out of the house on election day. elections are normally decided by a small number of votes so this type of political behavior is important.
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    Mar 11, 2014 5:21 PM GMT
    This is exactly what the GOP needs right now, a more progressive voice and younger people getting involved.
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    Mar 11, 2014 5:30 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThis is exactly what the GOP needs right now, a more progressive voice and younger people getting involved.


    I think this will be far more effective long term than the hate and vitriol that we see and hear from so many toward the GOP. Can't always count on being able to out vote the opposition so it's best to have adequate representative within both major parties. This is the way to remove this as a wedge issue.
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    Mar 11, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    logical thinking; a return to a totally Republican government today would erase most of the recent gay rights gains. And rightly so because Republicans would see it as an affirmation from the American people that it must be done.

    I would hope soon Republicans would be able to acknowledge a broader range of issues, get their act together.
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    Mar 11, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
    pellaz saidlogical thinking; a return to a totally Republican government, would erase most of the recent gay rights gains. And rightly so because Republicans would see it as an affirmation from the American people that it must be done.
    Not necessarily true if the republican party becomes more moderate and progressive. You are referring to the FLAKY FUNDAMENTALISTS that want to block any future gains for gay rights. Not all republicans agree with the FLAKY FUNDAMENTALISTS on this and other social issues. Too many guys on here are single issue voters, they need to look at the bigger picture.
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    Mar 11, 2014 7:54 PM GMT
    pellaz saidlogical thinking; a return to a totally Republican government today would erase most of the recent gay rights gains. And rightly so because Republicans would see it as an affirmation from the American people that it must be done.


    Not logical, but you are supporting my point. The GOP must be changed from within so as the pendulum swings from democrat to republican and back again, as it has since the two parties have existed, there won't be these kind of consequences.
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    Mar 11, 2014 8:01 PM GMT
    sad to say the only way the Republicans will pull away from a narrow fundamentalist view is because they have to. Good for them long term if they for the short term continue to loose the popular base.

    Its a two party system and not likely they are going away any time soon.
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    Mar 11, 2014 8:05 PM GMT
    pellaz saidsad to say the only way the Republicans will pull away from a narrow fundamentalist view is because they have to. Good for them long term if they for the short term continue to loose the popular base.

    Its a two party system and not likely they are going away any time soon.


    And once again, not true. It's the composition of the party is finally changing on certain issues due to the more socially liberal views of the younger republicans. If you're truly concerned about those issues, join up and let your voices be heard from within the party.
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    Mar 11, 2014 8:16 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said ... Can't always count on being able to out vote the opposition so it's best to have adequate representative within both major parties. This is the way to remove this as a wedge issue.


    i think you brought up a very good point for me. If we want gay rights to be a permanent thing better to have it come from both parties. Thanks.
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    Mar 11, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    freedomisntfree said ... Can't always count on being able to out vote the opposition so it's best to have adequate representative within both major parties. This is the way to remove this as a wedge issue.


    i think you brought up a very good point. If we want gay rights to be a permanent thing better to have it come from both parties. Thanks.


    Correct .... so if you support or can support some of the economic beliefs of the Republican Party, come join in.

    Regarding homosexual equality, you'd better believe the rank and file of the republican party listens more closely to a Dick Cheney or an Alan Simpson or a Nancy Kassenbaum or a Rob Portman more than the hate / vitriol filled flame throwers from the left. That only serves to harden most of the old guard of the republican party .... including me.
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    Mar 11, 2014 9:25 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThis is exactly what the GOP needs right now, a more progressive voice and younger people getting involved.


    I agree, but would amend the statement to "a more libertarian voice."

    Progressives, at least in their present incarnation, are just as controlling and repressive as the religious right. Both groups advocate enforcement of their particular prejudices by the government -- essentially forcing compliance at the point of a gun.
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    Mar 11, 2014 9:33 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    roadbikeRob saidThis is exactly what the GOP needs right now, a more progressive voice and younger people getting involved.


    I agree, but would amend the statement to "a more libertarian voice."

    Progressives, at least in their present incarnation, are just as controlling and repressive as the religious right. Both groups advocate enforcement of their particular prejudices by the government -- essentially forcing compliance at the point of a gun.
    I could reiterate that as a more moderate and libertarian voice for the GOP. But there has to be some progressive thinking however on a moderate scale. I just want the GOP to change for the better so we can have an effective alternative to the democratic party. I do not want the US to become a one political party nation-state. That is tantamount to dictatorship. We already have one party dictatorships in most of our older northern cities and the results of democratic monopoly rule have been horrendous to put it mildly.