Split Between Young Republicans and Their Elders

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    While much attention has been devoted to the split between the establishment and the Tea Party, the growing divide along generational lines among Republicans could cause a significant a rift. Younger conservatives are more firmly staking out a libertarian orientation on social issues in a way that will shape the 2016 presidential primary as candidates seek to appeal to activists who are in the party because of social issues and to younger voters who see some aspects of cultural conservatism as intolerant.

    That young people, regardless of party, prefer a live-and-let-live approach on social issues is nothing new. In 2012, President Obama defeated Mitt Romney by 23 points among 18- to 29-year-olds in part because of the president’s more liberal cultural views. But what is increasingly alarming to some cultural conservatives is that it is not just young Democrats who share those views — and that this youthful libertarianism is not fading when the Republicans of tomorrow graduate from college.

    In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights, compared with just 29 percent among older Republicans. That split was on display at CPAC, an annual conclave of some of the party’s most conservative activists. The split did not take place among the high-profile presidential candidates, who largely avoided divisive social issues or mentioned them only to praise their party’s big-tent tolerance, but the conversation was easy to find elsewhere.

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    Mar 11, 2014 9:46 PM GMT
    "In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.
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    Mar 11, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
    adammm said"In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.
    The democrats don't want the GOP to reach out to gays and other minorities because it will mean tough competition for the democrats. I say tough shit to the democrats and the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS who can't handle the emerging concept of a more inclusive and moderate GOP that could woo away gay, black, and Hispanic voters from the democratic party. A more moderate and inclusive GOP organization could possibly become a grave threat to the monopoly democratic rule that has ruined most older, northern cities for the past 50-60 years. I say bring it on.
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    Mar 11, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
    Why are Republicans on RJ so hot?
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    Mar 11, 2014 10:05 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidWhy are Republicans on RJ so hot?
    We are red, that is whyicon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif
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    Mar 11, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    because we have fine ass legs

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    Mar 11, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
    adammm said"In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.


    Great way to sum it up.
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    Mar 12, 2014 4:39 PM GMT
    I have a great uncle who's about 76 years old who is a DIE HARD REPUBLICAN... like "I'm a truck driver and I sit in my truck for hours on end and listen to nothing but Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush, etc. and I give all my extra cash to Republican causes" Republican.

    And about 2 years back he was visiting us and the topic of gay marriage came up and he was like, "Who would *choose* to be gay? Seems to me most of the people who don't like gay marriage are people who think you can just pick to not be gay. But I wouldn't choose to be gay. So I guess gay guys wouldn't choose it either... they just are gay. So I don't see how stopping them from getting married or having relationships does anyone any good."

    Not the most articulate defense I ever heard of gay marriage, but I figured "If conservative politicians haven't convinced my macho Republican truck-driver uncle to disavow gay marriage... well, that battle's pretty much over. The only unanswered question now is "How long before gay marriage is everywhere?"

    Finally... yes to the comments in above posts about conservatives being more tolerant of sexual diversity than liberals being tolerant of political diversity. I'm not even very political but I've actually been called "evil" by a (former) friend because I didn't agree with his politics.
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    Mar 12, 2014 5:04 PM GMT
    And there's more !!!

    take a look at this one

    http://www.realjock.com/musclefetish

    Here's a great example of what you're talking about. Think this one will win any converts among conservatives or further deepen the divide?

    Read the profile. Reads the same way he posts.
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    Mar 12, 2014 5:24 PM GMT
    These favorable Republican gay views being expressed here are anecdotal, not factual. Republicans, as shown in national polls, statements by their Party leaders, their Party Platform and legislative voting record, are:

    - Anti-environment
    - Global warming deniers
    - Anti-women's rights
    - Anti- minority rights
    - Anti-gay civil rights
    - Anti-gay marriage
    - Anti-workers rights & unions
    - Anti-social services
    - Creationists and evolution opponents
    - Anti-education
    - Anti-gun control
    - Anti-science
    - Pro US imperialism & armed intervention
    - Pro corporate rights over citizen rights

    I can see why Democrats would have problems with these official Republican political positions. Does EVERY Republican believe those? No, but they vote for politicians and a party that does.

    So really, what's the difference to say "I don't personally support the entire Republican agenda" and then to vote into office those who do? If you empower & enable them, then their policies are your policies, their guilt your guilt.
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    Mar 12, 2014 5:29 PM GMT
    I've never understood why being gay means someone has to support gun control or massive welfare handouts, but that's just me I guess.

    I'm really not terribly political so I'm not trying to argue here, but putting a list out there that says "Here's why Republicans are bad" has nothing to do with "Here's why gay people should not support Republicans."

    It's just a non-sequitur.
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    Mar 12, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
    cartrich saidI've never understood why being gay means someone has to support gun control or massive welfare handouts, but that's just me I guess.

    I'm really not terribly political so I'm not trying to argue here, but putting a list out there that says "Here's why Republicans are bad" has nothing to do with "Here's why gay people should not support Republicans."

    It's just a non-sequitur.


    And just above your last post is the other great example.
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    Mar 12, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    I think if we were to give where credit is due for our freedom, it has been the sacrifice of many Democrats on our behalf and only recently a few Republicans.
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    Mar 12, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    Why are Republicans always whining about how badly they're treated? Grow up, boys.
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    Mar 12, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    A shout out for some excellent messages from adammm and cartrich. Of course being gay or bi does not mean you have to support the policies of this current administration, either the domestic or the international policies.

    Most thinking people will not support all the policies that many within each political party favor. Some here who suggest otherwise are both far left themselves as well as being gay. They like to use gayness as a lever to pound anyone who doesn't support a far left agenda.

    The Republican Party is changing and trying to make them more moderate is a reasonable thing to do despite what the far left folks here would suggest.

    To both you guys in particular, know there are many of us on RJ who share your same opinions. A lot of the guys just don't post too much because they don't feel like dealing with some of the BS that is often presented.
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    Mar 12, 2014 9:54 PM GMT
    socalfitness said A lot of the guys just don't post too much because they don't feel like dealing with some of the BS that is often presented.

    Another example of what I was talking about. Poor poor righties. So oppressed.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 12, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
    adammm said"In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.

    I doubt very many people care if you're a republican. Do you really believe that you're victim, or something?icon_confused.gif

    Republicans aren't usually bullied in school, or rejected by their parents and religious institutions, like so many gay people are.... But, go ahead, play the victim card. You sound like Paula Deen comparing herself to a gay football player.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    adammm said"In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.

    I doubt very many people care if you're a republican. Do you really believe that you're victim, or something?icon_confused.gif

    Republicans aren't usually bullied in school, or rejected by their parents and religious institutions, like so many gay people are.... But, go ahead, play the victim card. You sound like Paula Deen comparing herself to a gay football player.icon_rolleyes.gif


    "Republicans aren't usually bullied in school, or rejected by their parents and religious institutions, like so many gay people"

    Just curious, how do you know this to be true?
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    socalfitness said A lot of the guys just don't post too much because they don't feel like dealing with some of the BS that is often presented.

    Another example of what I was talking about. Poor poor righties. So oppressed.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    If you think my message indicates I feel oppressed you are sadly mistaken. I just call out BS when I see it. By the way nothing personal taken or intended. Have a nice day! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    The Republican party is begging to change, but who knows how long it will take to reach the elites and leaders, and more importantly, their culture, stated policies, and governmental actions?

    I`d also ask how much of this change is genuinely from the heart, and how much driven by the cynical politics of repeated electoral defeats, especially presidential?
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    This younger generation is much more pro life than their parents which God Willing will bring and end to second trimester abortions in our lifetime.Ryan
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    You guys are fighting over the two political spectrums again. The thread is about young Republicans and their schism with the establishment. and I see no real discussion on them.
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
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    adammm said"In a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 56 percent of Republicans under age 45 indicated support for same-sex marriage rights"

    Good progress. I'd prefer to see a statistic, though, that says 56% of Democrats are ok with a gay republican, rather than foam at the mouth in fits of rage at such a demonic concept. Republicans have always been more accepting of my sexuality than liberals of my politics.

    I doubt very many people care if you're a republican. Do you really believe that you're victim, or something?icon_confused.gif

    Republicans aren't usually bullied in school, or rejected by their parents and religious institutions, like so many gay people are.... But, go ahead, play the victim card. You sound like Paula Deen comparing herself to a gay football player.icon_rolleyes.gif


    "Republicans aren't usually bullied in school, or rejected by their parents and religious institutions, like so many gay people"

    Just curious, how do you know this to be true?

    Well, it hasn't been reported on, that I know of.... I just think that the comparison he made is weak. All the gay teen suicides go to show that being gay can be a very isolating, distressing and a unique experience, not to be compared with choosing an unpopular political party.
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidYou guys are fighting over the two political spectrums again. The thread is about young Republicans and their schism with the establishment. and I see no real discussion on them.

    You can't dictate how other posters respond to a given thread.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 12, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidThis younger generation is much more pro life than their parents which God Willing will bring and end to second trimester abortions in our lifetime.Ryan

    There is absolutely no evidence of that. None.