Neil deGrasse Tyson: Religion and Science Can Be Compatible, Just Don’t ‘Use the Bible as a Textbook’

  • lostlogic

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    Mar 12, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
    Gotta love Neil deGrasse Tyson and I agree with him 100%. This should be the answer because neither sides of Christian and atheist extremism will win.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/tyson-religion-and-science-can-be-compatible-just-dont-use-the-bible-as-a-textbook/
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    Mar 12, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
    Neil is being diplomatic. He's an atheist at heart. As an ex-christian, and ex religionist I take a tolerant position.

    "No belief is rational" - David Hume

    A recent survey showed 25 percent of the american public think the sun goes around the earth. Ignorance is rampant.
  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 13, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
    Both can co`exist as they are interested in different things.

    Science describes the world as it is, whereas religion talks of it as it should be.

    His point about the Bible(or any religious text) is well made.
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    Mar 13, 2014 10:24 PM GMT
    It's an oxymoron. Religion and science can never mix. Creationism and Evolution in this case. Neil is an idiot and he is being politically correct.
  • lostlogic

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    Mar 17, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidIt's an oxymoron. Religion and science can never mix. Creationism and Evolution in this case. Neil is an idiot and he is being politically correct.


    Just playing devil's advocate, why can't somebody believe evolution is divine design? Most religious or spiritual people do.
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    Mar 17, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    lostlogic said
    Xavier92 saidIt's an oxymoron. Religion and science can never mix. Creationism and Evolution in this case. Neil is an idiot and he is being politically correct.


    Just playing devil's advocate, why can't somebody believe evolution is divine design? Most religious or spiritual people do.


    intelligent design? but by that explanation, bacteria is loved by God since they are more superior than humans and shit icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 17, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    lostlogic saidGotta love Neil deGrasse Tyson and I agree with him 100%. This should be the answer because neither sides of Christian and atheist extremism will win.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/tyson-religion-and-science-can-be-compatible-just-dont-use-the-bible-as-a-textbook/


    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Religion and Science Can Be Compatible, Just Don’t ‘Use the Bible as a Textbook’

    Devil's Advocate:

    Religion and Science Can Be Compatible,
    Just don't Use a Science Book for Sacraments
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    Mar 17, 2014 1:02 AM GMT
    lostlogic said
    Xavier92 saidIt's an oxymoron. Religion and science can never mix. Creationism and Evolution in this case. Neil is an idiot and he is being politically correct.


    Just playing devil's advocate, why can't somebody believe evolution is divine design? Most religious or spiritual people do.


    Someone can believe that evolution is divine evolution. But if they agree with the generally accepted idea of evolution, such as approximately how long it took for man's first appearance after everything else, then it can create an issue with their religious text, if any.

    For example, with Christianity man and his relationship with God is center. It's as though the world was created for us to have dominion over. If that's the case, and you're a Christian and you believe that, what do you think of billions of years passing before man appears on Earth, or even before animals existed. Man seems crucial in the Bible, but he is just a blip on the radar as far as time is concerned.
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    Mar 17, 2014 1:13 AM GMT
    lostlogic saidGotta love Neil deGrasse Tyson and I agree with him 100%. This should be the answer because neither sides of Christian and atheist extremism will win.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/tyson-religion-and-science-can-be-compatible-just-dont-use-the-bible-as-a-textbook/


    You've gotta love Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't an advocate of Astrology. There are experiences and paths in my life caused by my personal astrology.

    Once you understand Astrology, you take a vested interest in the objects and the geometry of the Solar System. You understand the human condition at an advanced level. You learn compassion better than it is taught in religious institutions that do not apply Astrology.

    I lost love for Neil deGrasse Tyson when I was at the planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History. What happened was this. There was a Q&A after an event. My question dealt with quantum physics or something and the speakers said we cannot speak to that. Result? This is silo education, not integrated disciplines educating the public. I think I may have been referred to a science museum in D.C.--but I wasn't looking to hop an Acela Amtrak train to D.C. I couldn't afford that. I spent a lot of money and life getting from a mid-tier city to a top tier city. Yea, D.C. is a top tier city, but the integrated knowledge needed to be in NYC in THIS museum. (Is it the Einstein museum in D.C. that covers quantum physics in its exhibitions?)

    Yea, there IS a Smithsonian Einstein Planetarium. Speakers there probably would be more versed in quantum physics--one might think. But, nah, they have nothing about quantum mechanics or quantum physics in their list of exhibitions. First search result on the term quantum physics: Quantas airlines

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  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 17, 2014 1:46 AM GMT
    lostlogic said
    Xavier92 saidIt's an oxymoron. Religion and science can never mix. Creationism and Evolution in this case. Neil is an idiot and he is being politically correct.


    Just playing devil's advocate, why can't somebody believe evolution is divine design? Most religious or spiritual people do.


    It`s not impossible to think god created a universe where evolution sub-created all the diversity and complexity of living things, including man, even, in its own way and time. But if he did he`s not the god we`ve been told he is.

    Such an idea contradicts the teaching in conventional Christianity of this all powerful, knowing, and loving god. It may be easier in earlier religions as in Greece and Rome where the universe pre-dated the gods and they were neither loving or concerned about anyone or anything very much.

    Evolution may be true, but it is very slow, wasteful, inefficient, and utterly pitiless and indifferent to suffering.

    A good example would be a BBC natural history programme called 'The Crossing' about wildebeest on their annual migration and the crossing of a major river. They have to move to find fresh pasture with the rains. If not, they`ll starve to death.

    But the river is wide and fast, and, weakened from their long journey, many are lost in the crossing. Further, it`s full of very hungry and merciless crocodiles. For those who reach the other side safely are the similar lions...

    The film is relentlessly explicit and graphic in the animals` suffering.

    The long term effect on the wildebeests, evolutionarily, is an ever stronger, tougher, and athletic animal. But what a waste, what suffering...

    It`s hard to imagine this situation was the creation of a loving god according to mainstream Christianity...
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    Mar 20, 2014 3:58 AM GMT
    I'm watching this:

    Civilization: The West and the Rest With Niall Ferguson

    It's a PBS program. Locally, it's KERA.
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    Mar 20, 2014 4:01 AM GMT
    I'm watching part one. It addresses this thread, historically.

    http://video.pbs.org/program/civilization-west-and-rest-niall-ferguson/