"Let’s see, Putin is about to annex the territory of a sovereign nation. Our national debt is over $17.3 trillion and growing. Unemployment in America is at epidemic proportions. and Democrats want to talk about what?"

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    Mar 13, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
    From Allen West..."Let’s see, Putin is about to annex the territory of a sovereign nation. Our national debt is over $17.3 trillion and growing. Unemployment in America is at epidemic proportions. We are decimating our military capability. The CIA is spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee. And the massive new healthcare entitlement program called Obamacare is failing as enrollments languish and no one has any idea how many have paid. I could go on and on, but I believe you all get the point. And what is the most pressing matter for Senate Democrats?

    Climate change."


    Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/03/youre-worried-paying-bills-silly-senate-democrats-think-climate-change-biggest-problem-video/#CmeHsXBShVSwGDDj.99
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    I think a lot of this climate change is still largely unproven for the most part. Global warming is still a mostly unproven theory. However, I am not in favor of the US sticking its nose into another foreign broil. I am concerned about the Ukraine and the other countries in that troubled region but military action by the US is not a sound idea. We cannot afford another war.
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    Mar 14, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    Yeah, because if the oceans wipe out 1/3 of the continental US and Europe it won't fucking matter who owns the Ukraine.
    Climate-change deniers are a special kind of stupid. Maybe you'll finally admit it when the water rises to your lower lip.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:20 AM GMT
    Well, we can continue to ignore climate change and that will solve the Ukraine "problem." icon_wink.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:23 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidWell, we can continue to ignore climate change and that will solve the Ukraine "problem." icon_wink.gif
    The jury is still out on all this "climate change". I am skeptical about a lot of these climate change theories. If the globe is truly warming, than why did the northern half of the US have such a long and bitterly cold winter with lots of snow and iceicon_question.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidWell, we can continue to ignore climate change and that will solve the Ukraine "problem." icon_wink.gif
    The jury is still out on all this "climate change". I am skeptical about a lot of these climate change theories. If the globe is truly warming, than why did the northern half of the US have such a long and bitterly cold winter with lots of snow and iceicon_question.gif


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  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidWell, we can continue to ignore climate change and that will solve the Ukraine "problem." icon_wink.gif
    The jury is still out on all this "climate change". I am skeptical about a lot of these climate change theories. If the globe is truly warming, than why did the northern half of the US have such a long and bitterly cold winter with lots of snow and iceicon_question.gif


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  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:28 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWell, whats your answericon_question.gif


    Look up because the joke went over your head. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:29 AM GMT
    And besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob saidWell, whats your answericon_question.gif


    Look up because the joke went over your head. icon_rolleyes.gif
    I don't do jokes, this is a serious matter not a joke.
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    YourName2000 said
    roadbikeRob saidThe jury is still out on all this "climate change". I am skeptical about a lot of these climate change theories. If the globe is truly warming, than why did the northern half of the US have such a long and bitterly cold winter with lots of snow and iceicon_question.gif

    Sorry Rob, but the logic of that is so jaw-droppingly stupid that it defies any other comment. It really is on par with "how can I be out of money....I still have checks???" icon_confused.gif


    >APPLAUSE<

    Thank goodness someone has sense aka Yourname2000! Bravo!
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:32 AM GMT
    Dow+Long+Range+Trend+Graph.jpg

    As an analogy, the stock trend shown above shows an increase. But there is one big dip in the trend. You're only focusing on that one dip.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidAnd besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
    Reallyicon_question.gif What if this is the beginning of a cycle of bitterly cold, snowy winters for the northern US, what is going to be the cause of that Mr. Climate Changeicon_question.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:36 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidAnd besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
    Reallyicon_question.gif What if this is the beginning of a cycle of bitterly cold, snowy winters for the northern US, what is going to be the cause of that Mr. Climate Changeicon_question.gif


    Same answer as the analogy provided. There are a bunch of little dips, but the little dips still end higher than the previous higher peaks.

    And you're positing a hypothetical. The evidence establishes facts.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:37 AM GMT
    Sharkadelic saidYeah, because if the oceans wipe out 1/3 of the continental US and Europe it won't fucking matter who owns the Ukraine.
    Climate-change deniers are a special kind of stupid. Maybe you'll finally admit it when the water rises to your lower lip.


    In your own fantasy world, that would matter.

    In reality, where there is no global warming, in fact, there is some cooling, that won't happen.

    When are you gonna wake up to the fact that AGW doesn't exist? At least not in the horrendously gigantic amounts you say it is.

    You do realise that there is not enough water, frozen or liquid to even get to cover Australia should it melt?
  • PolitiMAC

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:40 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidAnd besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
    Reallyicon_question.gif What if this is the beginning of a cycle of bitterly cold, snowy winters for the northern US, what is going to be the cause of that Mr. Climate Changeicon_question.gif


    Same answer as the analogy provided. There are a bunch of little dips, but the little dips still end higher than the previous higher peaks.

    And you're positing a hypothetical. The evidence establishes facts.


    While we're talking about dips, how 'bout the one that has been occurring over 15 years? Slight, but it's there.

    The planet is not warming by human influence. It hasn't been doing that for 17 years.

    All of the models from Warmists have ALL been incredibly wrong and we are seeing no apocalyptic consequences like we were told to expect.

    So what about that dip?
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said

    You do realise that there is not enough water, frozen or liquid to even get to cover Australia should it melt?


    It doesn't have to. World ports are on the water's edge, not in the middle of a continent. When ports and the major cities flood out, the economies go with it.
  • metta

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidWell, we can continue to ignore climate change and that will solve the Ukraine "problem." icon_wink.gif
    The jury is still out on all this "climate change". I am skeptical about a lot of these climate change theories. If the globe is truly warming, than why did the northern half of the US have such a long and bitterly cold winter with lots of snow and iceicon_question.gif


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    Most of the rest of the World was experiencing a heat wave at the same time. That is what Climate Change is...more frequent extremes...highs and lows than normal. It surprises me how people can just ignore climate scientists.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidAnd besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
    Reallyicon_question.gif What if this is the beginning of a cycle of bitterly cold, snowy winters for the northern US, what is going to be the cause of that Mr. Climate Changeicon_question.gif


    Same answer as the analogy provided. There are a bunch of little dips, but the little dips still end higher than the previous higher peaks.

    And you're positing a hypothetical. The evidence establishes facts.
    We shall see what the future brings. If this long, bitterly cold winter is just one that occurs this decade, than I can start believing in this climate change talk. However, if there are many more bitterly, cold snowy winters than all your climate change is nothing more than nonsensical propaganda and half assed predictions that will never come true.
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    Mar 14, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    I could care less about climate change. I live in Florida. It's hot. We deal with it. We're all gonna be dead before it gets bad so why worry about it. icon_lol.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:45 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWe shall see what the future brings. If this long, bitterly cold winter is just one that occurs this decade, than I can start believing in this climate change talk. However, if there are many more bitterly, cold snowy winters than all your climate change is nothing more than nonsensical propaganda and half assed predictions that will never come true.


    As Metta8 pointed out, Australia endured one of its hottest summers on record. Something's afoot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/australian-summer-melts-records

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml
  • metta

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:48 AM GMT
    flguy57 saidI could care less about climate change. I live in Florida. It's hot. We deal with it. We're all gonna be dead before it gets bad so why worry about it. icon_lol.gif


    I realize you say this in jest, but as human beings, I think that we should take responsibility of our actions. Ethically, it is wrong to ignore it. We have an obligation, as human beings to consider the quality of life for future generations. We are making choices that affect them.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    roadbikeRob saidWe shall see what the future brings. If this long, bitterly cold winter is just one that occurs this decade, than I can start believing in this climate change talk. However, if there are many more bitterly, cold snowy winters than all your climate change is nothing more than nonsensical propaganda and half assed predictions that will never come true.


    As Metta8 pointed out, Australia endured one of its hottest summers on record. Something's afoot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/australian-summer-melts-records

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml


    No it didn't.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:53 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said

    No it didn't.


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    The sub-surface is cooler than the surface. icon_wink.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Mar 14, 2014 1:54 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said
    roadbikeRob said
    coolarmydude saidAnd besides, one winter doesn't negate the whole warming trend.
    Reallyicon_question.gif What if this is the beginning of a cycle of bitterly cold, snowy winters for the northern US, what is going to be the cause of that Mr. Climate Changeicon_question.gif

    Rob, you're missing what's happening in *the rest of the planet*. Australia has been having an awful 'summer':

    http://time.com/1032/australia-is-melting-under-a-horrifying-heatwave/

    The US is something like 5% of the Earth's surface. "Climate Change" is impacting the entire 100%. I certainly hope it's wrong and that the effects we're seeing are some temporary effect caused by some cycle we don't understand fully, but until there's evidence of that, I'm joining the chorus that worries this is caused by human activity and we're in trouble if we don't stop.

    That said, we should still be able to "walk and chew gum"...I see no reason that our countries can't help Ukraine at the same time we're thinking of the environment.


    That so called heatwave lasted for a week.

    Hottest summer my arse. NO WHERE else in the country experienced it like that. It was localised and nothing more.