Boston (Gay) restaurant drops Sam Adams beer over St. Patrick's Day Parade

  • WhoDey

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    Mar 14, 2014 3:19 AM GMT
    http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostonspirit/2014/03/boston_restaurant_drops_sam_ad.html
  • MikeW

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    Mar 14, 2014 3:51 AM GMT
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    Mar 14, 2014 3:56 AM GMT
    Why do gay people need to have a "gay" parade at a Saint Patrick's Day parade anyway? This isn't about sexuality.
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:00 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidWhy do gay people need to have a "gay" parade at a Saint Patrick's Day parade anyway? This isn't about sexuality.


    Because why should we be left out?


    No one said gay people can't march in the parade.
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:03 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidWhy do gay people need to have a "gay" parade at a Saint Patrick's Day parade anyway? This isn't about sexuality.


    Because why should we be left out?


    No one said gay people can't march in the parade.


    Why can't they have their own float in it like everyone else? No one said there has to be Andrew Christian models in green underwear


    "Like everyone else does?" Like who? It's a fucking Saint Patrick's Day parade AND it's a PRIVATE organization. We do not need to be broadcasting our sexuality at every single event. Why can't we just show up to celebrate the holiday instead of directing all eyes to our crotches for once?
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    MisfitToy said
    Scruffypup said
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    Scruffypup saidWhy do gay people need to have a "gay" parade at a Saint Patrick's Day parade anyway? This isn't about sexuality.


    Because why should we be left out?


    No one said gay people can't march in the parade.


    Why can't they have their own float in it like everyone else? No one said there has to be Andrew Christian models in green underwear


    "Like everyone else does?" Like who? It's a fucking Saint Patrick's Day parade AND it's a PRIVATE organization. We do not need to be broadcasting our sexuality at every single event.


    I don't get what's such the big deal over letting them in. It doesn't hurt anyone. At most parades aren't there different floats from different groups or groups carrying banners? I don't get why we can't do this when our parades are inclusive of everyone


    This is why so many people hate us. Stop making it about "the gays." It's a damn Saint Patty's day parade. Leave it at that. You want to march in the parade, go ahead. You want to have a fucking rainbow banner that misdirects the intent of the parade? NO.
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:18 AM GMT
    Do the police march in uniform and carry a banner? If so, then you might have a point. Regardless, it's still a private organization. They can do what they want. Just like you can have a gay parade and not allow people with green beards.
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:18 AM GMT
    Why does there have to be a special gay march in a St. Patricks day parade? It is stupid and makes no sense, its not about sexuality so why should there be a float or march specifically for it? If they were saying they banned gay people from taking part in the parade then I would understand, but this sounds like they just said no to a gay specific float or march and I don't see the problem.
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    Mar 14, 2014 4:42 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidDo the police march in uniform and carry a banner? If so, then you might have a point. Regardless, it's still a private organization. They can do what they want. Just like you can have a gay parade and not allow people with green beards.


    I've seen it yes. I've seen firefighters do it too. My thing is I feel gays should be allowed like any other group as long as they keep it within reason


    The gays have never kept any parade "within reason" and you know it. Which is probably one of the reasons they will not consider allowing them into the parade.






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    Mar 14, 2014 4:51 AM GMT
    K. I lost track of what this thread is about. Check out Maureen O'Dowd's piece about it in the NYT (her family used to organize the parade.) IIRC, it was originally a Protestant celebration, co-opted by the Catholics (she's a Catholic, as she endlessly points out) and now it's all tediously political.

    Some of my Mom's family was Irish. The founders of this here farm were Irish. And they moved here across oceans and continents to get the fuck away from all of that shit.

    Oh, and as if it matters, "Sam Adams" sucks anyway. It's just a fake craft beer, brewed and bottled by the cheapest contractors. Schludwiller with sugar added.
  • metta

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    Mar 14, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    Sam Adams Beer Pulls Out of St. Paddy's Parade Over Gay Ban



    http://www.bilerico.com/2014/03/sam_adams_beer_pulls_out_of_st_paddys_parade_over_.php
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    Mar 14, 2014 5:48 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
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    Scruffypup saidDo the police march in uniform and carry a banner? If so, then you might have a point. Regardless, it's still a private organization. They can do what they want. Just like you can have a gay parade and not allow people with green beards.


    I've seen it yes. I've seen firefighters do it too. My thing is I feel gays should be allowed like any other group as long as they keep it within reason


    The gays have never kept any parade "within reason" and you know it. Which is probably one of the reasons they will not consider allowing them into the parade.






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    Mar 14, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
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    The gays have never kept any parade "within reason" and you know it. Which is probably one of the reasons they will not consider allowing them into the parade.

    The LGBT veterans had agreed to a stipulation that no gay signage, costumes or other gay imagery be used. So your scenario would not have applied. Then the parade organizers abruptly withdrew the invitation, claiming there were questions about the group's legitimacy.

    A lame excuse, likely to hide pressure from anti-gay groups, including the Catholic Church. As a result the parade is losing corporate sponsors and political leader participation. Apparently there is widespread support for LGBT inclusion, despite your own objections.

    And these parades, in which I have marched myself as having Irish heritage, represent the Irish in all walks of life. Groups march according to their community & personal identity, to show the extent of Irish integration into all walks of life, and the scope of Irish talents & interests. As well as non-Irish groups that wish to honor the Irish.

    An LGBT contingent would be in that spirit, not a misappropriation of the parade into a gay event. Rather, it would be in perfect keeping with the very intent of the parade, what thousands of other marchers will be doing.

    And BTW, what does "The gays..." mean? THE gays? Not WE gays, or simply gays? Sounds rather detached.
  • metta

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    Mar 15, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    Heineken pulls sponsorship from NYC St. Patrick’s over ban on gay pride signs

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/03/heineken-pulls-sponsorship-from-nyc-st-patricks-over-ban-on-gay-pride-signs
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    The gays have never kept any parade "within reason" and you know it. Which is probably one of the reasons they will not consider allowing them into the parade.

    The LGBT veterans had agreed to a stipulation that no gay signage, costumes or other gay imagery be used. So your scenario would not have applied. Then the parade organizers abruptly withdrew the invitation, claiming there were questions about the group's legitimacy.

    A lame excuse, likely to hide pressure from anti-gay groups, including the Catholic Church. As a result the parade is losing corporate sponsors and political leader participation. Apparently there is widespread support for LGBT inclusion, despite your own objections.

    And these parades, in which I have marched myself as having Irish heritage, represent the Irish in all walks of life. Groups march according to their community & personal identity, to show the extent of Irish integration into all walks of life, and the scope of Irish talents & interests. As well as non-Irish groups that wish to honor the Irish.

    An LGBT contingent would be in that spirit, not a misappropriation of the parade into a gay event. Rather, it would be in perfect keeping with the very intent of the parade, what thousands of other marchers will be doing.

    And BTW, what does "The gays..." mean? THE gays? Not WE gays, or simply gays? Sounds rather detached.


    I think it came across as sounding detached subconsciously. That's probably because I have never felt welcome in the gay "community" and also because I don't feel they represent "us" in a respectable way. This is probably one of the reasons we are not welcome at this particular parade. It's a family parade and "our" Gay Pride Parade is known for it's focus on sex and nudity at our events. If you look at previous threads about Gay Pride, I have repeatedly stated I think that image hurts us. Now we're banned from a parade. I honestly can't blame them.
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    Mar 15, 2014 4:58 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Scruffypup said
    The gays have never kept any parade "within reason" and you know it. Which is probably one of the reasons they will not consider allowing them into the parade.

    The LGBT veterans had agreed to a stipulation that no gay signage, costumes or other gay imagery be used. So your scenario would not have applied. Then the parade organizers abruptly withdrew the invitation, claiming there were questions about the group's legitimacy.

    A lame excuse, likely to hide pressure from anti-gay groups, including the Catholic Church. As a result the parade is losing corporate sponsors and political leader participation. Apparently there is widespread support for LGBT inclusion, despite your own objections.

    And these parades, in which I have marched myself as having Irish heritage, represent the Irish in all walks of life. Groups march according to their community & personal identity, to show the extent of Irish integration into all walks of life, and the scope of Irish talents & interests. As well as non-Irish groups that wish to honor the Irish.

    An LGBT contingent would be in that spirit, not a misappropriation of the parade into a gay event. Rather, it would be in perfect keeping with the very intent of the parade, what thousands of other marchers will be doing.

    And BTW, what does "The gays..." mean? THE gays? Not WE gays, or simply gays? Sounds rather detached.


    LOL it's a drink fest in which a parade happens to be going on
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    Mar 15, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    This drama has been going on for weeks and they can't seem to come up with an agreement. The gays don't seem to understand that they are welcome to march in the parade, but they're not allowed to carry banners or wear shirts or anything identifying themselves as gay.
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    Draper saidThis drama has been going on for weeks and they can't seem to come up with an agreement. The gays don't seem to understand that they are welcome to march in the parade, but they're not allowed to carry banners or wear shirts or anything identifying themselves as gay.

    There was a tentative agreement to march, with no signs or other ID. Read the article and my last post above.

    It was the parade organizers who abruptly withdrew their invitation, saying the LGBT veterans group that wanted to march might not be a legitimate organization. Which they are, a red herring to mask the fact that gays simply aren't welcome, no matter what we do.

    And once again, what's this "THE" gays statements you're using, along with another guy here? Sounds like you don't identify with our community.
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    Draper saidThis drama has been going on for weeks and they can't seem to come up with an agreement. The gays don't seem to understand that they are welcome to march in the parade, but they're not allowed to carry banners or wear shirts or anything identifying themselves as gay.

    There was a tentative agreement to march, with no signs or other ID. Read the article and my last post above.

    It was the parade organizers who abruptly withdrew their invitation, saying the LGBT veterans group that wanted to march might not be a legitimate organization. Which they are, a red herring to mask the fact that gays simply aren't welcome, no matter what we do.

    And once again, what's this "THE" gays statements you're using, along with another guy here? Sounds like you don't identify with our community.


    I can assure you there are more than two gay men who don't identify with the gay community! Many of us feel it's a toxic environment in general and as far as the parades are concerned, they're an absolute embarrassment to a large number of us. Rather than judging us for not holding hands and doing as we're told, it might be more productive to listen to our concerns and make an effort to understand our feelings about this matter.
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    I can assure you there are more than two gay men who don't identify with the gay community! Many of us feel it's a toxic environment in general and as far as the parades are concerned, they're an absolute embarrassment to a large number of us. Rather than judging us for not holding hands and doing as we're told, it might be more productive to listen to our concerns and make an effort to understand our feelings about this matter.

    Then I'm sure you'll do the ethical thing and decline the gay civil rights that this "embarrassing" community has won for you over your protests, with its toxic parades and other efforts which you denigrate.
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    Scruffypup saidWhy do gay people need to have a "gay" parade at a Saint Patrick's Day parade anyway? This isn't about sexuality.

    Because why should we be left out?

    No one said gay people can't march in the parade.

    I have to side with Scruffy on this one. Although I may not agree that the pride parades tarnish our image, they do certainly create a cause for other organizers to determine if that style of parading fits into their celebration. From looking at pictures of previous SPD parades, it seems that most all the groups focus ONLY on either green or a more religious tone related to St Patrick. It's not a parade to 'sell your group' and I'm guessing the organizers fear that from the gay groups wanting to join. If the LGBT community could have shown that they'll be wearing appropriate green clothing for a 'catholic organized' event and wishing blessings upon all there, like all the other groups seem to do, they might not have had any issues. From the beginning it seemed the organizers were willing to allow them to march but then changed that but one must wonder if it had more to do with the LGBT community reaction that then increased the fears that they would 'show who they are' by wearing and carrying whatever they want 'because they're gay!'. Gays don't need to be a part of every function and they need to back off a little if they want society to see that they're willing to be just another group that's out there to celebrate and enjoy with respect to the organization's guidelines.
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    I can assure you there are more than two gay men who don't identify with the gay community! Many of us feel it's a toxic environment in general and as far as the parades are concerned, they're an absolute embarrassment to a large number of us. Rather than judging us for not holding hands and doing as we're told, it might be more productive to listen to our concerns and make an effort to understand our feelings about this matter.

    Then I'm sure you'll do the ethical thing and decline the gay civil rights that this "embarrassing" community has won for you over your protests, with its toxic parades and other efforts which you denigrate.


    There was no need for sarcasm. I didn't address you in that manner so I don't see why you felt the need to do so. At any rate.....let me assure you of one thing.....no gay pride parade has ever won us any rights! Our voting records have won us the rights we have and nothing else. In fact I'm certain these "pride" parades have kept us from getting our rights sooner.
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    Mar 15, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
    "Walsh did manage to get the parade sponsors to invite MassEquality, which had filed an application to allow 20 gay veterans to march. But the sponsors wanted to require that the marchers not make any reference to their sexual orientation on T-shirts or signs. MassEquality said it could not abide by those conditions."

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/03/13/boston-mayor-martin-walsh-make-one-more-try-resolve-patrick-day-parade-standoff/Z2Q1aLAzR3LzK6nFLkKo1J/story.html

    "Boston Mayor Marty Walsh, who is in a last ditch effort to negotiate a compromise between an openly gay group of veterans and the South Boston Saint Patrick’s Day Parade organizers, told WCVB-TV on Saturday that he won't participate in the event if an 11th hour deal isn't reached."

    http://www.boston.com/news/source/2014/03/mayor_marty_walsh_no_st_patricks_day_parade_deal_then_i_wont.html
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    I can assure you there are more than two gay men who don't identify with the gay community! Many of us feel it's a toxic environment in general and as far as the parades are concerned, they're an absolute embarrassment to a large number of us. Rather than judging us for not holding hands and doing as we're told, it might be more productive to listen to our concerns and make an effort to understand our feelings about this matter.

    Then I'm sure you'll do the ethical thing and decline the gay civil rights that this "embarrassing" community has won for you over your protests, with its toxic parades and other efforts which you denigrate.


    There was no need for sarcasm. I didn't address you in that manner so I don't see why you felt the need to do so. At any rate.....let me assure you of one thing.....no gay pride parade has ever won us any rights! Our voting records have won us the rights we have and nothing else. In fact I'm certain these "pride" parades have kept us from getting our rights sooner.


    Why even identify as gay if you hate everything about the culture?


    Can you really be that stupid? I am an INDIVIDUAL. I don't need a fucking parade to be true to myself. And I don't need this "community" you speak of either. The same community that won't piss on you if you're on fire if you're over 25 years old. And if you feel welcome in this community you must be completely delusional because you're not the kind of member they seek either.
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    MisfitToy said
    Scruffypup said
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    Scruffypup said
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    Scruffypup said
    I can assure you there are more than two gay men who don't identify with the gay community! Many of us feel it's a toxic environment in general and as far as the parades are concerned, they're an absolute embarrassment to a large number of us. Rather than judging us for not holding hands and doing as we're told, it might be more productive to listen to our concerns and make an effort to understand our feelings about this matter.

    Then I'm sure you'll do the ethical thing and decline the gay civil rights that this "embarrassing" community has won for you over your protests, with its toxic parades and other efforts which you denigrate.


    There was no need for sarcasm. I didn't address you in that manner so I don't see why you felt the need to do so. At any rate.....let me assure you of one thing.....no gay pride parade has ever won us any rights! Our voting records have won us the rights we have and nothing else. In fact I'm certain these "pride" parades have kept us from getting our rights sooner.


    Why even identify as gay if you hate everything about the culture?


    Can you really be that stupid? I am an INDIVIDUAL. I don't need a fucking parade to be true to myself. And I don't need this "community" you speak of either. The same community that won't piss on you if you're on fire if you're over 25 years old. And if you feel welcome in this community you must be completely delusional because you're not the kind of member they seek either.


    Well I feel more accepted than I do by the straight community at large or by the black community. I don't think constantly trying to tear the gay community down and normalize us stays true to how the movement started.


    I'm not tearing anything down. I'm simply stating how I feel about it. Just like you just said you don't feel accepted by the Black community. What's the difference? The simply fact that so many gay men don't identify with the gay community should be a wakeup call, but I'm pretty sure it won't be.