Heineken and Sam Adams beers drop sponsorship for St. Patrick's Day parades due to LGBT exclusion in New York City and Boston

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    Mar 15, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
    I drank a Sam Adams beer today to toast them, maybe a Heineken tonight when we go out again with friends. And I'm not even a beer drinker. icon_biggrin.gif

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/heineken-pulls-st-patrick-day-parade-article-1.1722493

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/14/sam-adams-pulls-out-boston-st-patrick-parade-over-gay-rights/
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    GLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.


    Of course, the Star Wars characters in the parade, for example, are an example of genuine Irish tradition.
    No gay is permitted in the parade if they wear anything that identifies them as gay. Veterans who are gay for example can't wear a rainbow pin nor can any other participant.

    Homework, it's good to do.
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.


    Of course, the Star Wars characters in the parade, for example, are an example of genuine Irish tradition.
    No gay is permitted in the parade if they wear anything that identifies them as gay. Veterans who are gay for example can't wear a rainbow pin nor can any other participant.

    Homework, it's good to do.
    Well because some of these gay groups have a bad habit of not respecting established limits of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Just look at the gaudy freak shows called pride parades that are held in June and you will see why the organizations putting on these St Patricks Day Parades are very hesitant to allow gays to have their own float. This is basically a non-issue.
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.


    Of course, the Star Wars characters in the parade, for example, are an example of genuine Irish tradition.
    No gay is permitted in the parade if they wear anything that identifies them as gay. Veterans who are gay for example can't wear a rainbow pin nor can any other participant.

    Homework, it's good to do.
    Well because some of these gay groups have a bad habit of not respecting established limits of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Just look at the gaudy freak shows called pride parades that are held in June and you will see why the organizations putting on these St Patricks Day Parades are very hesitant to allow gays to have their own float. This is basically a non-issue.


    Bob....the parade Brass have the final say in the manner of marchers and floats. THINK!

    Here's more info for you:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/16/gay-ban-st-patricks-day

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    Mar 15, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.

    In other words, closeted gays may march. That's a very generous allowance.

    And the parades celebrate many things. Having Irish ancestry I've marched in them myself, from the time I was a little kid. And contingents march because they are Irish police, and Irish firefighters (my relatives all did that), and Irish military veterans, and Irish fraternal lodges and more, because those are things the Irish do and are.

    I used to march with my boys prep school band in a St. Patrick's Day parade. Not because we were an "Irish" school, but just to honor the Irish and provide some music. And other non-Irish groups marched, too, to show their support & respect.

    Your parade model that allows exclusion of LGBT does not fit the reality of what is being permitted with other groups.
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.

    In other words, closeted gays may march. That's a very generous allowance.

    And the parades celebrate many things. Having Irish ancestry I've marched in them myself, from the time I was a little kid. And contingents march because they are Irish police, and Irish firefighters (my relatives all did that), and Irish military veterans, and Irish fraternal lodges and more, because those are things the Irish do and are.

    I used to march with my boys prep school band in a St. Patrick's Day parade. Not because we were an "Irish" school, but just to honor the Irish and provide some music. And other non-Irish groups marched, too, to show their support & respect.

    Your parade model that allow exclusion of LGBT does not fit the reality of what is being permitted with other groups.
    So we should ruin St. Patricks Day Parades with an infusion of sexuality and politics.
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.

    In other words, closeted gays may march. That's a very generous allowance.

    And the parades celebrate many things. Having Irish ancestry I've marched in them myself, from the time I was a little kid. And contingents march because they are Irish police, and Irish firefighters (my relatives all did that), and Irish military veterans, and Irish fraternal lodges and more, because those are things the Irish do and are.

    I used to march with my boys prep school band in a St. Patrick's Day parade. Not because we were an "Irish" school, but just to honor the Irish and provide some music. And other non-Irish groups marched, too, to show their support & respect.

    Your parade model that allow exclusion of LGBT does not fit the reality of what is being permitted with other groups.
    So we should ruin St. Patricks Day Parades with an infusion of sexuality and politics.


    So Bob, explain Ireland and their (gays) inclusion, then. I mean, this parade is about Ireland, right?


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    Just look at the gaudy freak shows called pride parades that are held in June and you will see why the organizations putting on these St Patricks Day Parades are very hesitant to allow gays to have their own float. This is basically a non-issue.

    You present a false argument. Have YOU attended Pride Parades around the US? **I** have, and marched in them, even led some. The majority are NOT "freak shows". They are pure Americana, as wholesome as your classic Fourth of July parade down Main Street.

    Additionally, this is not Pride, a totally different venue. And finally, as meninlove point out, the parade organizers control the content. You can't have near-naked bois on a float if the organizers don't permit it.

    So your objections are the non-issue here, a red herring that detracts from the real issue: LGBT discrimination by the Catholic Church.
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    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.

    In other words, closeted gays may march. That's a very generous allowance.

    And the parades celebrate many things. Having Irish ancestry I've marched in them myself, from the time I was a little kid. And contingents march because they are Irish police, and Irish firefighters (my relatives all did that), and Irish military veterans, and Irish fraternal lodges and more, because those are things the Irish do and are.

    I used to march with my boys prep school band in a St. Patrick's Day parade. Not because we were an "Irish" school, but just to honor the Irish and provide some music. And other non-Irish groups marched, too, to show their support & respect.

    Your parade model that allow exclusion of LGBT does not fit the reality of what is being permitted with other groups.
    So we should ruin St. Patricks Day Parades with an infusion of sexuality and politics.

    Again, a false argument. If politics were prohibited, then politicians and candidates couldn't be in the parades, correct? And it's your assumption that sexuality would be introduced. I say again, as did meninlove, that the organizers control the content. What part of this are you not getting?
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    ART said, "And finally, as meninlove point out, the parade organizers control the content. You can't have near-naked bois on a float if the organizers don't permit it."

    In March?!? Brrrrrrr! icon_lol.gif The high temperature for Mar 17th is going to be about 28F.

    *falls over laughing*
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    Mar 15, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
    Yeah the parade managers control the content. However, if they allowed a gay float and than find that a particular float is not appropriate knowing some of these gay groups they will launch a lawsuit and make all kinds of fanfare over their float not being permitted. As for politics, if I had my way, these damned politicians would not be permitted to work the crowds and bother people to support them. We get bombarded enough in the media with political ads. I just don't see any logic in making a stink over a petty non-issue.
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    roadbikeRob saidYeah the parade managers control the content. However, if they allowed a gay float and than find that a particular float is not appropriate knowing some of these gay groups they will launch a lawsuit and make all kinds of fanfare over their float not being permitted. As for politics, if I had my way, these damned politicians would not be permitted to work the crowds and bother people to support them. We get bombarded enough in the media with political ads. I just don't see any logic in making a stink over a petty non-issue.


    But you are, Bob. Why isn't it a problem in Ireland?

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    Mar 15, 2014 9:06 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    roadbikeRob saidYeah the parade managers control the content. However, if they allowed a gay float and than find that a particular float is not appropriate knowing some of these gay groups they will launch a lawsuit and make all kinds of fanfare over their float not being permitted. As for politics, if I had my way, these damned politicians would not be permitted to work the crowds and bother people to support them. We get bombarded enough in the media with political ads. I just don't see any logic in making a stink over a petty non-issue.


    But you are, Bob. Why isn't it a problem in Ireland?

    Just because Ireland allows it doesn't necessarily mean we have to permit it in the US. The OP is making a gigantic mountain out of a tiny molehill. This is futile.
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    YourName2000 saidWell that was quick, lol.

    Sam Adams announced the decision the next morning after the gay bar in Boston said they would no longer carry the beer if it was going to be a sponsor of the parade. Kind of like the quick response by Stoli during the Olympics controversy. We seem to have quite a bit of influence and sway over the alcohol industry.
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    meninlove said
    roadbikeRob saidYeah the parade managers control the content. However, if they allowed a gay float and than find that a particular float is not appropriate knowing some of these gay groups they will launch a lawsuit and make all kinds of fanfare over their float not being permitted. As for politics, if I had my way, these damned politicians would not be permitted to work the crowds and bother people to support them. We get bombarded enough in the media with political ads. I just don't see any logic in making a stink over a petty non-issue.


    But you are, Bob. Why isn't it a problem in Ireland?

    Just because Ireland allows it doesn't necessarily mean we have to permit it in the US. The OP is making a gigantic mountain out of a tiny molehill. This is futile.


    Did't you just say earlier that the parade was a celebration of all things Irish?
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    Mar 16, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    Happy Saint Patrick's Day to all my beloved EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENSicon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif
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    YourName2000 saidWell that was quick, lol.

    Sam Adams announced the decision the next morning after the gay bar in Boston said they would no longer carry the beer if it was going to be a sponsor of the parade. Kind of like the quick response by Stoli during the Olympics controversy. We seem to have quite a bit of influence and sway over the alcohol industry.

    I'm not sure if that's good or bad... icon_confused.gif
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    roadbikeRob saidHappy Saint Patrick's Day to all my beloved EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENSicon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif


    Yes, and A Happy St Patrick's Day to all the self-loathing, Righteous Rightist, Homo-hypocrites.
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    roadbikeRob saidHappy Saint Patrick's Day to all my beloved EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENSicon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif

    Yes, and A Happy St Patrick's Day to all the self-loathing, Righteous Rightist, Homo-hypocrites.

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    Mar 16, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades. They are just not permitted to have a gay float in these parades. These parades are about celebrating an Irish tradition, not sexuality and politics. This is basically a non-issue.


    i bet the beer sponsors dont have a single float. Yay for the pure Irish Tradition:
    mystic_irish_parade_guinness.jpg
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    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades.

    Yes they are. They are only NOT excluded if they disguise themselves as not being LGBT.

    In other words, only if they pretend to be straight. How is that being inclusive of LGBT? Are you saying that a parade that only permits straights and straight pretenders is accepting of LGBT?
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    Mar 17, 2014 1:21 AM GMT
    Guinness just dropped its sponsorship

    the only remaining corporate sponsorship is Ford.
    be sure you buy a new gay 2014 Ford.



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    Mar 18, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades.

    Yes they are. They are only NOT excluded if they disguise themselves as not being LGBT.

    In other words, only if they pretend to be straight. How is that being inclusive of LGBT? Are you saying that a parade that only permits straights and straight pretenders is accepting of LGBT?
    The organizations putting on these St. Patrick's Day Parades are private organizations not public. As long as they don't receive a dime of taxpayer money, these organizers can do as they see fit. Again you are making a gigantic mountain out of a tiny molehill over this non-issue. You obviously are too liberal for your own good.
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    Mar 18, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
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    roadbikeRob saidGLBT people are not really excluded from marching in both the Boston and New York City St. Patricks Day Parades.

    Yes they are. They are only NOT excluded if they disguise themselves as not being LGBT.

    In other words, only if they pretend to be straight. How is that being inclusive of LGBT? Are you saying that a parade that only permits straights and straight pretenders is accepting of LGBT?
    The organizations putting on these St. Patrick's Day Parades are private organizations not public. As long as they don't receive a dime of taxpayer money, these organizers can do as they see fit. Again you are making a gigantic mountain out of a tiny molehill over this non-issue. You obviously are too liberal for your own good.


    They DO receive taxpayer money in the form of subsidies. They ostensibly pick up the tab for a few cops, but the respective cities pay the bulk of inevitable overtime, for cleanup crews, and for incidental expenses caused by shutting down the city for 5+ hours.

    LGBT people ARE being discriminated against because they cannot openly march in the parade. Effectively, that's saying march as long as you march straight.

    And this isn't about celebrating Irish heritage. The parades are about economics (huge beer, cover, venue sales), marketing for cities, and binge drinking for the masses. I say this as a half Irish person (mom's side) who grew up with a family crest in the house and attended Notre Dame. We just blasted music from "Boondock Saints," watched Braveheart, and drank from morning until night. Don't pretend this is about heritage, please.