Breaking News: Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist Church, near death

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    Mar 16, 2014 6:45 AM GMT
    And as much as tried, I couldn't find an ounce of sympathy for this asshole.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/03/report-fred-phelps-founder-of-westboro-baptist-church-near-death/#.UyVAxW9-FeE.facebook
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    Mar 16, 2014 6:46 AM GMT
    Let's all meet up and protest his funeral.
  • nicechik

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    Mar 16, 2014 6:58 AM GMT
    we far,take simpathy....
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    Mar 16, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.

    I am sure plans are already being made my many to do just that.
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    Mar 16, 2014 7:15 AM GMT
    I honestly couldn't care less if someone were to even piss on his grave.
  • metta

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    Mar 16, 2014 8:50 AM GMT
    Does anyone know why he was ex-communicated from the church last year?



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/16/1285133/-Fred-Phelps-of-Westboro-Baptist-Protests-Near-Death
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    Mar 16, 2014 8:51 AM GMT
    And nothing of value was lost.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 16, 2014 9:22 AM GMT
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    He needs to hurry up already. We have a party to get started.
  • creature

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    Mar 16, 2014 11:07 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.
  • rugbyjockca

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    Mar 16, 2014 11:21 AM GMT
    creature said
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.


    Except that Phelps and his clan were protesting people because of who and what they are, whereas people protesting at his funeral will be pritesting actions that he chose to take. None of his victims chose to be gay but he sure as hell chose to be an asshole about it. It's an important distinction.
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    Mar 16, 2014 11:31 AM GMT
    rugbyjockca said
    creature said
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.


    Except that Phelps and his clan were protesting people because of who and what they are, whereas people protesting at his funeral will be pritesting actions that he chose to take. None of his victims chose to be gay but he sure as hell chose to be an asshole about it. It's an important distinction.


    I understand that distinction. But if people took the moral position that it's wrong to protest at funerals, for whatever reason, then why the lack of conviction in those principles when it comes to the funeral of a Phelps member?

    I'm not suggesting that people should cry about his death, or anything of that sort. I just don't agree with mimicking someone's bad behavior as a counterattack. That's how I was raised.

    Let the Phelps be guilty of funeral protests, and let us take the moral high road.
  • rugbyjockca

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    Mar 16, 2014 11:38 AM GMT
    I personally wouldn't protest his funeral but I totally get why people would. I think it's fine to think it's wrong, but it definitely isn't the same thing as what Phelps did. Things can be morally wrong for lots of reasons, and reasonable people can disagree on what is morally wrong.

    In this case I think people have a right to be angry at their treatment by Phelps and people like him, and sometimes anger isn't pretty or polite. But it can still be righteous.
  • creature

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    Mar 16, 2014 11:52 AM GMT
    rugbyjockca saidI personally wouldn't protest his funeral but I totally get why people would. I think it's fine to think it's wrong, but it definitely isn't the same thing as what Phelps did. Things can be morally wrong for lots of reasons, and reasonable people can disagree on what is morally wrong.

    In this case I think people have a right to be angry at their treatment by Phelps and people like him, and sometimes anger isn't pretty or polite. But it can still be righteous.


    I totally get why they would be protesting. I understand their anger, but to me it shows a lack of conviction of alleged principles. By resisting to protest Fred Phelps's funeral you're showing them that you don't believe in protesting funerals, and you mean it. Otherwise you're being selective about where your principles are applied.

    But that's how I see it. I know people feel they are justified to retaliate in the same way, but I believe it's better to treat others the way you would like to be treated, no matter who they are and what they've done..
  • creature

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    Mar 16, 2014 11:56 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said
    creature said
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.

    Oh pahleeze, icon_wink.gif there's being "tarred with the same sin" and then there's "poetic justice". This would be the latter, imo.

    There is no limit to the indignities this man deserves. To limit oneself to his own petty tactics *is* taking the highroad in his case.


    And that's where I disagree. I already spoke what's on my mind on this subject. Saying anything else would just be repeating.
  • rugbyjockca

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    Mar 16, 2014 12:15 PM GMT
    creature said
    rugbyjockca said
    creature said
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.


    Except that Phelps and his clan were protesting people because of who and what they are, whereas people protesting at his funeral will be pritesting actions that he chose to take. None of his victims chose to be gay but he sure as hell chose to be an asshole about it. It's an important distinction.


    I understand that distinction. But if people took the moral position that it's wrong to protest at funerals, for whatever reason, then why the lack of conviction in those principles when it comes to the funeral of a Phelps member?

    I'm not suggesting that people should cry about his death, or anything of that sort. I just don't agree with mimicking someone's bad behavior as a counterattack. That's how I was raised.

    Let the Phelps be guilty of funeral protests, and let us take the moral high road.


    Phelps protesting funerals wasn't just wrong because we should show respect for the dead and their families. It was wrong for a lot of other reasons, too.

    You're saying the two types of protests are identical, when in the real world they are not identical. I personally don't care about dead peoples' feelings. I care that Phelps and co have made it their life's work to limit a group of peoples' human rights and human dignity.

    Not everyone has to agree with you but don't pretend the two protests are identical.
  • creature

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    Mar 16, 2014 12:39 PM GMT
    rugbyjockca said
    creature said
    rugbyjockca said
    creature said
    libertpaulian saidLet's all meet up and protest his funeral.


    So then you and Phelps will be guilty of the same thing.


    Except that Phelps and his clan were protesting people because of who and what they are, whereas people protesting at his funeral will be pritesting actions that he chose to take. None of his victims chose to be gay but he sure as hell chose to be an asshole about it. It's an important distinction.


    I understand that distinction. But if people took the moral position that it's wrong to protest at funerals, for whatever reason, then why the lack of conviction in those principles when it comes to the funeral of a Phelps member?

    I'm not suggesting that people should cry about his death, or anything of that sort. I just don't agree with mimicking someone's bad behavior as a counterattack. That's how I was raised.

    Let the Phelps be guilty of funeral protests, and let us take the moral high road.


    Phelps protesting funerals wasn't just wrong because we should show respect for the dead and their families. It was wrong for a lot of other reasons, too.

    You're saying the two types of protests are identical, when in the real world they are not identical. I personally don't care about dead peoples' feelings. I care that Phelps and co have made it their life's work to limit a group of peoples' human rights and human dignity.

    Not everyone has to agree with you but don't pretend the two protests are identical.


    I don't believe everyone has to agree with me. In fact, I'm sure most disagree.

    Believe me, I know the reasons why the Phelps protested the funerals and I know the distinction of why people would protest his funeral.

    I understand Phelps has made a career out of his bigotry and ignorance. I am just as disgusted as everyone by the things his family wrote and said.

    But I believe, irrespective of a man's deeds, he should be treated the way we would like to be treated. We shouldn't let our anger, our resentment motivate our actions.

    Something I can support is a vigil, mourning a lost opportunity—what Phelps could have been. But anything replicating the Phelps family antics—nope.

    But we disagree, and that's cool. No hard feelings.
  • Musicman91

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    Mar 16, 2014 1:35 PM GMT
    Who?
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    Mar 16, 2014 1:40 PM GMT
    Nothing to celebrate, nothing I'd wish for. The dead never did anything to me.
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    Mar 16, 2014 1:49 PM GMT
    From the DAILY KOS:

    "But Fred, you old hate monger, you despicable human being.. Thank you for putting a real face on hatred and bigotry. Your hate, your venom, your sheer level of evil reminded people all over the country that they couldn't be on your side of this [gay] civil rights battle. And for that, I'll tip my glass, and be glad the world is rid of you when you're gone, and glad the world had to confront your madness as it did."
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    Mar 16, 2014 5:33 PM GMT
    Just bombard the funeral with rainbow colored flower arrangements.
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    Mar 16, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
    he made a lot of money generating hatred for gays and then managing that hate.
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    Mar 16, 2014 6:30 PM GMT
    In this case, I'm not buying the "if we hate on him, then we are no better than he was" line of thinking. First, it's the thing people think they are supposed to say in these situations, but really doesn't mean that much anymore than saying RIP after a famous person has died or saying "prayers to the family" in Facebook comments following some kind of tragedy. Second, the flaw in that "no better than him" thought is that it is simply not true. Nearly everyone on earth is a better person than him. I will be glad to see him pass as it will make the world a better place and not just saying that in the sense of some larger, abstract truth you might mean when a bigot that preached hate has died. With the death of Fred Phelps, we can point to the specific thing that will make this world better- it will be one less person that pickets and organizes pickets of funerals where grieving family members have gathered.

    And we could come up with a picket so much better than the hate filled pickets by Westboro. Perhaps something along these lines:




  • tazzari

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    Mar 16, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
    Drive a stake through his heart - if he has one - and hope he stays buried.
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    Mar 16, 2014 6:50 PM GMT
    My only concern with picketing his funeral would be that it would make a bigger deal of his passing. His family would probably feel a protest would solidify his importance in history.

    I don't want that family getting any more press than they need to.

    Let him go quietly, without fanfare so that these people can see that their efforts were for naught.
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    Mar 16, 2014 6:52 PM GMT