State Senator Phil Jensen (R-S.D.) Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Services To Black People

  • metta

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    Mar 18, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    GOP Lawmaker Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Services To Black People


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/south-dakota-phil-jensen_n_4980492.html
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    Mar 18, 2014 12:57 AM GMT
    why am I not surprised. SMH
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    Mar 18, 2014 1:03 AM GMT
    Many predicted the logical outcome of these "religious freedom" bills would be to permit racial discrimination, not just anti-gay, taking the US back to before 1964. And now we have it coming out, Republicans showing their true intent. I'll bet he's in trouble with others in the SD State Party right now, though, for having spilled the beans too soon.
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    Mar 18, 2014 1:21 AM GMT
    When there has been stories about a business that refuses to service someone gay, comments in online forums have often been along the lines of "if this was about race, the business would never get away with this." Unfortunately the argument is not all that convincing with some because surprisingly, you will often see other comments in reply where people think businesses should be legally able to refuse service on the basis of race.
  • creature

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    Mar 18, 2014 10:18 AM GMT
    At least they had the good sense to kill his bill in the committee.
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    Mar 18, 2014 11:44 AM GMT
    Seems they are coming after everybody now.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Mar 18, 2014 11:58 AM GMT
    Did you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?
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    Mar 18, 2014 3:26 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?


    Westboro Baptist Church's Fred Phelps is a Democrat and ran five times for office in Democratic primaries, so it's not always.

    Sadly, it's only usually a Republican quote.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 18, 2014 3:58 PM GMT
    Given that the Civil Rights Act controls public accommodations (almost a misnomer, since almost EVERY restaurant, gas station, and hotel is privately owned but held open to the public), I won't pay this much attention.

    Insofar that a local or state law were passed, it would be struck down preemptively under the Supremacy Clause. This is just pandering to a base.
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    Mar 18, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?


    Westboro Baptist Church's Fred Phelps is a Democrat and ran five times for office in Democratic primaries, so it's not always.

    Sadly, it's only usually a Republican quote.


    ChicagoSteve said "almost always," not "always."

    There is a distinction.
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    Mar 18, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?


    Westboro Baptist Church's Fred Phelps is a Democrat and ran five times for office in Democratic primaries, so it's not always.

    Sadly, it's only usually a Republican quote.


    For what it's worth, a Democrat in Kansas will be more conservative than a Republican in New York or California. So there's that distinction to factor in too.
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    Mar 18, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    For what it's worth, a Democrat in Kansas will be more conservative than a Republican in New York or California. So there's that distinction to factor in too.

    There are Democrat office holders in Kansas? And what outrageous statements has that tiny minority had to say lately?
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 18, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Svnw688 said
    For what it's worth, a Democrat in Kansas will be more conservative than a Republican in New York or California. So there's that distinction to factor in too.

    There are Democrat office holders in Kansas? And what outrageous statements has that tiny minority had to say lately?


    Honestly I don't keep up with Kansas politics. But I was born and raised in Oklahoma, and Oklahoma had a Democrat governor named Brad Henry who was fairly conservative, and more conservative than any Republican I can think of in New York.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 18, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?
    Well because the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here think the democrats can do no wrong. Once you take a very thorough look at the track record of the democrats having monopoly control over most older northern cities, you will see that the total opposite is true. But don't bother trying to educate the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS about this true fact because they get all bent out of shape and try to pin the blame on republicans or anyone else.
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    Mar 18, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?
    Well because the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here think the democrats can do no wrong. Once you take a very thorough look at the track record of the democrats having monopoly control over most older northern cities, you will see that the total opposite is true. But don't bother trying to educate the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS about this true fact because they get all bent out of shape and try to pin the blame on republicans or anyone else.


    All Northern cities I know of have state or city (local) protections for LGBT individuals in the form of hate crime protections and employment discrimination protection. That would seem to undercut your point.

    And I don't think anyone is saying DEMS are perfect and REPUBS are all wrong. Clearly that statement is over and under inclusive. But it IS TRUE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that Dems are better, as a party, than Republicans on LGBT issues. That isn't being disputed, is it?
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    Mar 18, 2014 7:08 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    roadbikeRob said
    ChicagoSteve saidDid you ever notice anytime something outrageous like this comes up it almost always involves a Republican?
    Well because the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here think the democrats can do no wrong. Once you take a very thorough look at the track record of the democrats having monopoly control over most older northern cities, you will see that the total opposite is true. But don't bother trying to educate the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS about this true fact because they get all bent out of shape and try to pin the blame on republicans or anyone else.


    All Northern cities I know of have state or city (local) protections for LGBT individuals in the form of hate crime protections and employment discrimination protection. That would seem to undercut your point.

    And I don't think anyone is saying DEMS are perfect and REPUBS are all wrong. Clearly that statement is over and under inclusive. But it IS TRUE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that Dems are better, as a party, than Republicans on LGBT issues. That isn't being disputed, is it?
    No its not. I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years. The democrats caused most of these older, northern cities to decline and deteriorate thanks to their endless pandering to corrupt, organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor. It has nothing to do with gay issues. I am talking urban issues in cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit. What have the democrats accomplished for those four once proud and prosperous old cities and many other older northern cities other than disastrous urban renewalicon_question.gif
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    Mar 18, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
    (DELETED/EDITED) No its not. I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years. The democrats caused most of these older, northern cities to decline and deteriorate thanks to their endless pandering to corrupt, organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor. It has nothing to do with gay issues. I am talking urban issues in cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit. What have the democrats accomplished for those four once proud and prosperous old cities and many other older northern cities other than disastrous urban renewalicon_question.gif[/quote]


    I'm happy to engage, but we need to be clear on what we're debating before we marshal facts to support our argument/proposition. Is it your argument that Democratically controlled cities are less prosperous economically than Republican controlled cities? I'd love to empirically prove that claim false if that is, in fact, your claim.
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    Mar 18, 2014 7:21 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years.

    Actually, this thread is talking about a current South Dakota legislator who thinks businesses can discriminate against Blacks on religious grounds. How are past Democrats in northern cities relevant to that, other than as a rhetorical evasion?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years.

    Actually, this thread is talking about a South Dakota legislator who thinks businesses can discriminate against Blacks on religious grounds. How are Democrats in northern cities relevant to that, other than as a rhetorical diversion?
    I am just exposing all the flaws and failures of your beloved democratic party and the ones most familiar to me are the democrats monopoly control over most older, northern cities. I realize that it has nothing to do with a racist politician from the mostly rural state of South Dakota. But you keep making statements saying republicans as if implying that all republicans think this way. You would be accurate if you stated conservative right winger rather than demonizing all republicans.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:32 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    ART_DECO said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years.

    Actually, this thread is talking about a South Dakota legislator who thinks businesses can discriminate against Blacks on religious grounds. How are Democrats in northern cities relevant to that, other than as a rhetorical diversion?
    I am just exposing all the flaws and failures of your beloved democratic party and the ones most familiar to me are the democrats monopoly control over most older, northern cities. I realize that it has nothing to do with a racist politician from the mostly rural state of South Dakota. But you keep making statements saying republicans as if implying that all republicans think this way. You would be accurate if you stated conservative right winger rather than demonizing all republicans.


    If I'm not mistaken, both major parties have OFFICIAL party platforms. You might be disappointed to find out that in the GOP OFFICIAL party platform defines marriage as only between a man and a women (i.e., gay marriage or equal marriage is OFF THE TABLE, per the official 2012 Republican Party Platform).

    And that "homosexuality is incompatible with military service." These are NOT right wing extremists statements, as you want to minimize it to be. This is YOUR party's official platform. Sad, really.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:38 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    roadbikeRob said
    ART_DECO said
    roadbikeRob said
    I am talking the monopoly control of most older northern cities by democrats during the past 50 to 60 years.

    Actually, this thread is talking about a South Dakota legislator who thinks businesses can discriminate against Blacks on religious grounds. How are Democrats in northern cities relevant to that, other than as a rhetorical diversion?
    I am just exposing all the flaws and failures of your beloved democratic party and the ones most familiar to me are the democrats monopoly control over most older, northern cities. I realize that it has nothing to do with a racist politician from the mostly rural state of South Dakota. But you keep making statements saying republicans as if implying that all republicans think this way. You would be accurate if you stated conservative right winger rather than demonizing all republicans.


    If I'm not mistaken, both major parties have OFFICIAL party platforms. You might be disappointed to find out that in the GOP OFFICIAL party platform defines marriage as only between a man and a women (i.e., gay marriage or equal marriage is OFF THE TABLE, per the official 2012 Republican Party Platform).

    And that "homosexuality is incompatible with military service." These are NOT right wing extremists statements, as you want to minimize it to be. This is YOUR party's official platform. Sad, really.
    That doesn't necessarily mean that all republicans subscribe and support these national platforms. Things are starting to change in the GOP. The fiercely anti-gay attitudes and policy platforms are going to end up in the trash bin in a year or two.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    I feel like the cognitive dissonance is causing you to do mental gymnastics. I never said or implied that all Republican politicians are Anti LGBT, but most are. And it's the official party platform. My point is that this is not some fringe or extreme element, it's CORE ideology of the GOP.

    That's like saying Hitler had a lot of really great idea, he just got the Jewish/Gypsy/Gay issue wrong. Or that Southern Democrats got that segregation issue wrong, but had lots of great ideas.

    Seriously, if a major party gets a major issue completely wrong, and then after decades of psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, peer reviewed social science, and other nations instructing them as to their wrongness, they doiuble down on their crazy, then they deserve every ding and shun they get. The GOP made an inexcusable error here, and has continued to do so for decades. Your suggestion that it'll magically cure itself in a "year or two" is fantastical, especially in light of the Tea Party and their control of the primary.

    The GOP is going the way of the dodo bird. They've alienated blacks, LGBTs, women, Latinos (less than 37% consistently vote GOP), immigrants, and many others. It's closing its tent, and that's how you close off a party and render it a congressional party incapable of winning a national election.
  • metta

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    ^
    I agree with everything you said except the last sentence. At the moment, it looks like the GOP will do very well in the Nov 2014 election.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 18, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    Metta8, I don't doubt what you say. It looks like the GOP WILL do well in the midterms, but midterms are for Congress (i.e., Senate and House seats). My idea is that they've so extreme that they've rendered themselves a permanent Congressional party, incapable of winning a national election.

    All the polling data I've seen has Dems on top of any hypo GOP candidate (save one outlier poll showing Christie beating Hillary BEFORE his bridge scandal).

    It looks like we'll see if Rand Paul or another can get the GOP to OPEN its tent, but as of now, it's rendering itself to winning local/congressional seats. It's simple math with the electoral college, the nation isn't going to backtrack on the LGBT issue, it's too real to too many people, gay and straight alike. From the data I've seen, we've all time approval for same sex marriage and employment protections for LGBTs. I don't see that trend stopping from what I've read.
  • creature

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    Mar 18, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    I can only imagine the GOP dropping their resistance to marriage equality for their official platform when the federal government (by an act of congress or the court) makes it legal. Especially if by the court. They'll concede the fight then, but I cannot imagine that they will before.

    Some members here told us that with the Tea Party wave that gave Republicans a big win in 2010, we would only see a focus on the economy, not social issues. Other than repealing the health care law, the focus has been on gays and abortions.