Would America go to war with Russia?

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    Mar 22, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
    http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/would-america-go-war-russia-10098
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 22, 2014 7:47 PM GMT
    If war with Russia is a possibility, than we should just fly over Moscow and blast it right off the map with our most powerful weapons of mass destruction. Just vanquish the existence of Russia's largest city in a matter of minutes.icon_twisted.gif
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    Mar 22, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    war; been a while since we had one
  • TheSkyWasYell...

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    Mar 22, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    I would hope not. The Russians are such badass, ruthless motherfuckers and there are hundreds of thousands of dead German soldiers who would testify to that - if they were capable. You can't win a war with Russia, everyone with a brain knows that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 22, 2014 9:19 PM GMT
    pellaz saidwar; been a while since we had one
    Don't worry, this war wouldn't last long because the US can just use its weapons of mass destruction and incinerate Moscow right off the surface of the earth. Russia would be crushed and subdued and the war campaign would be all over with in a few daysicon_twisted.gif
  • Christoforos

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    Mar 23, 2014 3:21 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    pellaz saidwar; been a while since we had one
    Don't worry, this war wouldn't last long because the US can just use its weapons of mass destruction and incinerate Moscow right off the surface of the earth. Russia would be crushed and subdued and the war campaign would be all over with in a few daysicon_twisted.gif


    Actually, if we did that, the "war" would be over in about 30 minutes if you know what I mean.
  • mybud

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    Mar 23, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    We're all concerned at the mickey mouse bullshit in Russia while China sits back and laughs...China is our threat..The bible say's look for the sleeping giant.
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    Mar 23, 2014 3:46 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said ... Russia would be crushed and subdued and the war campaign would be all over with in a few daysicon_twisted.gif


    bush-and-mission-accomplished-0ee0197c90
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    Mar 23, 2014 4:00 AM GMT
    ^^^^^ True, the war was not the problem, it's the occupation that gets tricky.
  • Christoforos

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    Mar 23, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
    mybud saidWe're all concerned at the mickey mouse bullshit in Russia while China sits back and laughs...China is our threat..The bible say's look for the sleeping giant.


    Is this a joke?
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    Mar 23, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    Christoforos said
    mybud saidWe're all concerned at the mickey mouse bullshit in Russia while China sits back and laughs...China is our threat..The bible say's look for the sleeping giant.


    Is this a joke?


    Let's hope so.
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    Mar 23, 2014 5:34 AM GMT
    The U.S. is going to keep fucking with people until it pokes the wrong bee hive.
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    Mar 23, 2014 8:16 AM GMT
    Christoforos said
    mybud saidWe're all concerned at the mickey mouse bullshit in Russia while China sits back and laughs...China is our threat..The bible say's look for the sleeping giant.


    Is this a joke?


    Not necessarily disagreeing. I think short term its Russia and through it's proxy Iran and Syria, but much longer term China.
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    Mar 23, 2014 9:42 AM GMT
    US is going to war with Russia because they comprimised the territorial integrity of another country?


    How ironic.
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    Mar 23, 2014 9:43 PM GMT
    Truppensturm saidUS is going to war with Russia because they comprimised the territorial integrity of another country?


    How ironic.


    Different administration, different party...
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    Mar 23, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    Only to grow the film and publishing sectors.
    The Cold War gave us James Bond, the books of John LeCarre and Tom Clancy, and Dr. Strangelove.
    A war with Russia would be a golden age in stories with Russian villains.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 23, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
    YourName2000 saidWell, one of the first thoughts in my mind was if there's even a hint of likelihood of that, the next president will be a Republican, and in fact I think there might be a GOP sweep in November. icon_confused.gif

    Imo, Americans favor Republicans whenever the sabers start rattling. I would hate to think that some on the right might want to capitalize on that, but considering some of the moves to restrict women's rights, gay rights, and non-white's voting rights, I suspect one or two would. icon_neutral.gif


    I think we saw with Syria last year that Americans still don't have an appetite for another war, especially with a former superpower.

    We're not going to war. This was a domestic thing in the Ukraine that Russia (namely Putin) and the West (namely Obama) engaged in saber-rattling to make political hay for their own domestic uses.
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    Mar 23, 2014 11:57 PM GMT
    I agree regarding Crimea but Estonia or Poland or any other NATO pack country? We'd have treaty obligations to do so.
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:13 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI agree regarding Crimea but Estonia or Poland or any other NATO pack country? We'd have treaty obligations to do so.

    Well this is it..."attack one of us and you attack us all", so if Russia moved on either of those countries, we'd automatically be at war. Could Putin be that stupid though?? icon_confused.gif


    Except technically there are treaty obligations with respect to Ukraine...

    http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraine-russia-nuclear-weapons-vladimir-putin.html
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:19 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI agree regarding Crimea but Estonia or Poland or any other NATO [pact] country? We'd have treaty obligations to do so.

    Well this is it..."attack one of us and you attack us all", so if Russia moved on either of those countries, we'd automatically be at war. Could Putin be that stupid though?? icon_confused.gif


    Except technically there are treaty obligations with respect to Ukraine...

    http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraine-russia-nuclear-weapons-vladimir-putin.html


    "That deal, known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, was not a formal treaty but a diplomatic memorandum of understanding."

    NATO is a treaty, and as such ratified by the U.S. becomes an extension of our Constitution. Ukraine doesn't have the same obligation.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 24, 2014 12:22 AM GMT
    "What is clear is that Russia's de facto annexation of Crimea is not only a violation of Ukrainian territorial integrity but, far more worrying, an assault on the world's nuclear nonproliferation agreements."

    de facto? Crimea requested it through a referendum.

    Beware of the war hawks. They are thirsty for more blood.

    "assault on the world's nuclear nonproliferation agreements" As if the actual events weren't dramatic enough... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:34 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said
    freedomisntfree saidI agree regarding Crimea but Estonia or Poland or any other NATO pack country? We'd have treaty obligations to do so.

    Well this is it..."attack one of us and you attack us all", so if Russia moved on either of those countries, we'd automatically be at war. Could Putin be that stupid though?? icon_confused.gif


    This is why those 'red lines' are important. If putin thinks Obama is weak enough he might go after Estonia and maybe Poland.
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:47 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    YourName2000 said
    freedomisntfree saidI agree regarding Crimea but Estonia or Poland or any other NATO [pact] country? We'd have treaty obligations to do so.

    Well this is it..."attack one of us and you attack us all", so if Russia moved on either of those countries, we'd automatically be at war. Could Putin be that stupid though?? icon_confused.gif


    Except technically there are treaty obligations with respect to Ukraine...

    http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraine-russia-nuclear-weapons-vladimir-putin.html


    "That deal, known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, was not a formal treaty but a diplomatic memorandum of understanding."

    NATO is a treaty, and as such ratified by the U.S. becomes an extension of our Constitution. Ukraine doesn't have the same obligation.


    The next sentence that you quote states:
    That deal, known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, was not a formal treaty but a diplomatic memorandum of understanding. Still, the terms couldn't be clearer: Russia, the U.S. and U.K. agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine...reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine."


    And I think you're right in that there is clearly not a military solution to Russia's annexation but at the same time, what signal is the US sending if it doesn't stand by its allies? I don't think I've heard any pundit left or right suggest that the US should support Ukraine militarily.

    I think we all know Ukraine is a mess politically and economically. Crimea only makes sense in a symbolic sense given its economy. What everyone fears though is what happens next and whether this emboldens Russia to "free" Russians in Estonia, Poland, etc. elsewhere...
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:48 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidAre there not other tactics to be used against Russia (and Putin) that are easier to go for? Like having Russia removed from the G8 and/or the UN Security Council?


    That's already happening... Russia has been suspended from the G8. I think sanctions will also play a big role.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Russia-suspended-from-G8-Putin-accuses-west-of-cheating/articleshow/32244263.cms
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    Mar 24, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidAre there not other tactics to be used against Russia (and Putin) that are easier to go for? Like having Russia removed from the G8 and/or the UN Security Council?


    They're permanent members of the security council, but you sure could have a G-7 and I think that will happen.

    There's nothing more that Putin would love more than having the old soviet block countries back.