World Vision REVERSED CHANGE to hire married gay Christians - WHAT A MESS!

  • metta

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    Mar 25, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    World Vision to hire married gay Christians in dramatic shift in policy

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/03/world-vision-to-hire-married-gay-christians-in-dramatic-shift-in-policy/
  • metta

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    Mar 26, 2014 9:22 PM GMT
    BREAKING: World Vision Reverses Decision to Hire Married Gay Christians



    http://www.bilerico.com/2014/03/breaking_world_vision_reverses_decision_to_hire_ma.php


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/march-web-only/world-vision-reverses-decision-gay-same-sex-marriage.html
  • tazzari

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    Mar 26, 2014 10:53 PM GMT
    Unhappily, I was unaware of their original policy, and I've been supporting three children in different countries for about two years now. I don't feel that I can withdraw my support for the kids because of a policy at World Vision, that would be grossly unfair to the kids.

    But I will not enlarge my giving, and will certainly go elsewhere in the future. (Any ideas, anyone?)

    Contact World Vision and tell them what you think, at: http://www.worldvision.org/contact-us

    This is deeply, deeply frustrating.
  • metta

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    Mar 26, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    ^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?
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    Mar 27, 2014 2:22 AM GMT
    " The prominent Christian relief agency World Vision said Monday it will hire Christians who are in same-sex marriages, a dramatic policy change on one of the most divisive social issues facing religious groups."

    TRANSLATION:

    Prominent Christian group says you can be Christian and Gay and your marriage is equal to any other.


    World Vision gets my appreciation and I will make a donation to them, and I will tell them why I am contributing.
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    Mar 27, 2014 2:41 AM GMT
    not all christian organizations are gay affirming. Actually less organizations than expected. So what is the big surprise here.

    i am just saying you might find a secular organization that will accept:
    any kind gay married man.



  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 27, 2014 3:34 AM GMT
    I hope everyone will spread the word that World Vision has an official policy of discriminating against gay Americans. I think most of their donors are not aware of it and many would not want to support this kind of bigotry.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 27, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?


    I did check, and I've even received receipts from the on-the-ground administrators as well as read outside reviews. Much as I deplore this situation, WV does an outstanding job delivering your money where it's supposed to go - I'll have to hand them that, and also that they do a great deal of good.

    But I do feel betrayed,and any future expansion of giving will be done elsewhere.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 27, 2014 7:32 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]pellaz said[/cite]not all christian organizations are gay affirming. Actually less organizations than expected. So what is the big surprise here.

    i am just saying you might find a secular organization that will accept:
    any kind gay married man.


    The Episcopal Relief Fund is non-discriminatory, and completely neutral as regards religious affiliation (if any). They also deliver an unusual and very high percentage of donated money to the giver's "target."

    It needs to be noted though, that organizations do need operating funds. A friend of mine a the former director of the Pride Foundation in Seattle - 100% of the funds donated for specific projects go to those projects, which means they have to do extra fund-raising for staff salaries and operating expenses. In their case I donate to the general fund - gotta keep those doors open!
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?


    It's to a main community development fund and then a relatively small fraction of those funds are given to specific kids. I've never been fond of World Vision partially for this reason...

    That, plus they have a tremendous amount of overhead.
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    Mar 27, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
    On another site (you can probably figure out which one) I argued the previous decision was probably not thought through well enough, and that they set themselves up for pretty much what has transpired here... taking heat from both pro- and anti-LGBT sides.

    The overarching goal was to avoid the appearance of discriminatory hiring practices. But then...

    LGBTQ NationWorld Vision requires employees to affirm, through the agency’s statement of faith or the Apostle’s Creed, that they follow Christ. Stearns said the agency will continue to follow that policy, including requiring employees to remain celibate outside of marriage.


    ...by announcing (paraphrasing) "we'll hire openly gay/lesbian people... but only if they're married," WV not only upset the anti-gay evangelicals that got the policy reversed, they also insinuated that by being openly gay, it's not possible for a prospective employee to be "celibate outside of marriage." You pervs, you! icon_razz.gif

    By simultaneously leaving the door open for straight unmarried employees... (paraphrasing) "You signed the Apostle's Creed, we trust ya! Just don't get pregnant, I mean, caught!" icon_wink.gif...but closing the door shut for LGBT employment applicants without a marriage certificate, they left themselves even more exposed for accusations of discriminatory hiring practices that would further threaten their public grants and/or non-profit status.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 27, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
    Sign the petition: http://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/googleworldvision?referring_akid=.115992.5tNwl2
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    Mar 27, 2014 11:20 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    metta8 said^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?


    I did check, and I've even received receipts from the on-the-ground administrators as well as read outside reviews. Much as I deplore this situation, WV does an outstanding job delivering your money where it's supposed to go - I'll have to hand them that, and also that they do a great deal of good.

    But I do feel betrayed,and any future expansion of giving will be done elsewhere.


    How about Franklin Grahams Samaritan's Purse? That's what I've been doing over the last many years.

    And again btw,

    http://www.forgottenharvest.org/
  • creature

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    Mar 27, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tazzari said
    metta8 said^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?


    I did check, and I've even received receipts from the on-the-ground administrators as well as read outside reviews. Much as I deplore this situation, WV does an outstanding job delivering your money where it's supposed to go - I'll have to hand them that, and also that they do a great deal of good.

    But I do feel betrayed,and any future expansion of giving will be done elsewhere.


    How about Franklin Grahams Samaritan's Purse? That's what I've been doing over the last many years.

    And again btw,

    http://www.forgottenharvest.org/


    Franklin Graham's Samaritan Purse?

    World Vision has reversed their decision to employ individuals who are in same-sex marriages, after an onslaught of negative reaction. In our country today, there is tremendous pressure on Christians, churches, and Christian organizations to lower our moral standards. God is clear in His Word, and His standards never change. I’m thankful that Christians across the country urged World Vision to reverse their decision, and prayed fervently that they would do so. Three cheers.

    Franklin Graham
    President and CEO
    Samaritan’s Purse
    Billy Graham Evangelistic Association


    http://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/franklin-graham-statement/
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    Mar 27, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tazzari said
    metta8 said^
    When you give money for those children, does the money actually get send directly to them or does it get put in a main fund and the fund gives to them? If someone stops paying, does the fund stop giving to those children? Curious?


    I did check, and I've even received receipts from the on-the-ground administrators as well as read outside reviews. Much as I deplore this situation, WV does an outstanding job delivering your money where it's supposed to go - I'll have to hand them that, and also that they do a great deal of good.

    But I do feel betrayed,and any future expansion of giving will be done elsewhere.


    How about Franklin Grahams Samaritan's Purse? That's what I've been doing over the last many years.

    And again btw,

    http://www.forgottenharvest.org/


    Oops, I forgot the link

    http://www.samaritanspurse.org/
  • FRE0

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    Mar 27, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI hope everyone will spread the word that World Vision has an official policy of discriminating against gay Americans. I think most of their donors are not aware of it and many would not want to support this kind of bigotry.


    I have been aware of their discriminatory policy for decades. It was never a secret.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 28, 2014 1:05 AM GMT
    My future giving, aside from specific organizations such as Fisher House and various LGBT foundations, will be via the Episcopal Relief Fund. It's totally non-sectarian in hiring and targeting, and runs on an extremely low overhead.

    Thanks, though, for the recommendation.
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    Mar 28, 2014 1:21 AM GMT
    Reminds me of the Susan G. Komen fiasco last year.
  • FRE0

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    Mar 28, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
    tazzari saidMy future giving, aside from specific organizations such as Fisher House and various LGBT foundations, will be via the Episcopal Relief Fund. It's totally non-sectarian in hiring and targeting, and runs on an extremely low overhead.

    Thanks, though, for the recommendation.


    I'm a member of the Episcopalian Church and have given to Episcopal organizations for disaster relief.
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    Mar 28, 2014 4:47 PM GMT
    Is World Vision Canada an alternative?

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-vision-canada-we-are-legally.html

    WV CanadaFriends, we’ve been getting lots of questions about World Vision US’s hiring policy and I wanted to let you know that this does not affect World Vision Canada’s policies or actions.

    Canada’s legal environment is quite different from that of the United States. We comply with provincial laws on this matter which prohibit discrimination in employment. For example, as part of our hiring process, we do not ask questions about sexual orientation, marriage or related issues.

    However, when we hire, we are very clear about our values and our Christian identity. We explain how our Christian identity motivates and informs our work and how we work together here in Canada. While we have a code of conduct on ethical and legal issues, we don’t ask staff to sign a lifestyle code of conduct.
  • metta

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    Mar 28, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
    It's Not Just Evangelicals Who Should Worry About World Vision

    "World Vision is also a big recipient of federal faith-based funding, which means that taxpayers also are footing the bill for an organization that discriminates based on religion and religious beliefs."


    http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/7728
  • metta

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    Mar 28, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    Truth Wins Out Condemns Religious Right Bullying World Vision Into Submission Over Hiring Gays

    http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressrelease/2014/03/40041/
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    Mar 29, 2014 1:21 AM GMT
    metta8 saidIt's Not Just Evangelicals Who Should Worry About World Vision

    "World Vision is also a big recipient of federal faith-based funding, which means that taxpayers also are footing the bill for an organization that discriminates based on religion and religious beliefs."


    http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/7728


    Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, of which I am a member, has objected to educational vouchers on the basis that they can be used for to pay tuition at religious schools as well as for other reasons. So, to be consistent, they should also object to the federal government's giving funds to World Vision.
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    metta8 saidIt's Not Just Evangelicals Who Should Worry About World Vision

    "World Vision is also a big recipient of federal faith-based funding, which means that taxpayers also are footing the bill for an organization that discriminates based on religion and religious beliefs."


    http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/7728


    Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, of which I am a member, has objected to educational vouchers on the basis that they can be used for to pay tuition at religious schools as well as for other reasons. So, to be consistent, they should also object to the federal government's giving funds to World Vision.


    Speaking of AU... as Kerry might say, "they were for it, before they were against it..."

    Americans UnitedWorld Vision owes its license to discriminate to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), passed in 1993. Americans United and its allies originally supported the legislation as an important step toward protecting religious liberty. But since its passage, it’s become a tool for extremist groups to demand —and receive -- special rights from the federal government.

    In a piece for Religion Dispatches, Sarah Posner wrote, “The Supreme Court let stand the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that World Vision was a religious institution entitled to the same exemption as a church.” That means it can apply a religious test for employment, and refuse to hire LGBT people, even though it received $70 million from the government last fiscal year.

    Posner also cited a 2008 campaign trail promise by President Obama to tighten regulations on how federal grants are used by faith-based organizations. Six years later, that campaign promise remains unfulfilled.

    If anything productive emerges from the swamp of World Vision’s bad publicity, it’ll be renewed public interest in the extent to which faith-based organizations are allowed to discriminate using tax-payer funds.

    World Vision does not deserve a cent of the government’s money as long as it continues to practice employment discrimination. It’s an unconscionable violation of the First Amendment, and marginalized people pay the price for it.
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    Mar 29, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidReminds me of the Susan G. Komen fiasco last year.


    A similar mess. Speaking of which, the lady who started that whole fiasco, Karen "Still Doesn't Get It" Handel, is back here in Georgia running for US Senate.