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    Mar 27, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    Ok so before the criticism starts I know there are some guys who take great care of themselves and I even know a few on this site..( I complimented your tattoos) but lately I've been noticing guys who just look sickly,I'll kinda like zombies..and yes you can kinda imagine It's HIV/AIDS before they tell you.. is this for lack of medication?? Or just not taking care of yourself?
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    HIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:30 PM GMT
    MisfitToy saidHave they disclosed to you it's HIV/AIDS?
    well of course
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:35 PM GMT
    Some people who are pale can look ill to none pale people. It's actually a serious issue because I was unsuccessful at interviews for 3 months and then my friend fake tanned me and I got the very next job I applied for. Pale discrimination sucks!!

    People assume you are ill or you have an immunity problem just because your pale but in my case I can't even get a tan or sunburn. Instead of the skin going red it just goes white and I exfoliate it off and the skin underneath is just as pale.

    Instead of assuming someone is ill just assume they are different in some way until you know different.
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.


    Well I know people on the medications who do look pretty good still.


    Yeah, that's my point; they look good for many years until the disease catch up then they don't look/feel so good anymore (there are a couple guys like that around here - that we know of).
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:38 PM GMT
    In.the few cases It's always been in the back of my mind until they actually tell me.. I have friends who have it and you would never know..though I try not to ask too many questions so I don't make them feel weird
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    LionEyes saidHIV and AIDS it's not the same thing number one. Two, people that looks gaunt are most likely to be heavy Tina users than sick. Crystal Meth or commonly known as Tina when used in frequency curtails the appetite and in very few months they look like a skeleton. Only AIDS in the late stages a person's body weight drop along with hair loss, they can't even walk.

    I'm ALMOST CERTAIN that a lot of guys that you see here are just heavy drug users rather than AIDS patients. I'm not saying that they may also have HIV but it's not the reason why they look the way they look. I have a dear friend that he's not talking to me because I address his drug abuse problem, very sad...
    it could be drugs too. I've never met anyone in the late stages I guess.. usually just sunk.in eyes,gloomy looking ..some have decent bodies but still look like somethin is wrong
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:47 PM GMT
    Wow now pale people are either ill or druggies! If palephobia doesn't already exist I'm now convinced it should icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 27, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.


    Well I know people on the medications who do look pretty good still.


    Yeah, that's my point; they look good for many years until the disease catch up then they don't look/feel so good anymore (there are a couple like that around here - that we know of).


    The only reason it would catch up is if they would stop taking the medications. Although this depends on their viral load to begin with.

    I know this guy that got infected in a blood transfusion during a trip, he's been following best treatments for 5 years, hes got a wife to take care of him, eats healthy, etc etc yet for some reason he's already starting to look like shit (and Im not the only one who thinks so because Ive heard other people saying that as well).
    Then I know this other guy, 11 or 12 years poz, he goes to bars and drinks (and I think he also does coke) and he looks relatively healthy (you wouldn't assume he's sick). So I think not every person reacts the same way.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 27, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    There could be a number of reasons ... burning the candle at both ends, over worked and lack of sleep, the natural aging process. You probably find different reason in each case.
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    Mar 27, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch[es] you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.

    False. HIV patients today can live indefinitely, until other natural causes intervene, just like anyone else.

    At the same time, an opportunistic disease can strike them at any time. That's unpredictable, but not inevitable.

    So that HIV does not "inevitably kill you". It puts you at added risk, and requires a lot of close medical care and bothersome drugs, but your premature death is not inevitable. What does happen is that your life is made much more complicated, which is enough to not want to risk HIV exposure.
  • drfeelgood

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    Mar 28, 2014 1:17 AM GMT
    Drugs do make you look shit .
    Worse still they give you wrinkles. Say no!!!
  • SuntoryTime

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    Mar 28, 2014 5:30 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch[es] you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.

    False. HIV patients today can live indefinitely, until other natural causes intervene, just like anyone else.

    At the same time, an opportunistic disease can strike them at any time. That's unpredictable, but not inevitable.

    So that HIV does not "inevitably kill you". It puts you at added risk, and requires a lot of close medical care and bothersome drugs, but your premature death is not inevitable. What does happen is that your life is made much more complicated, which is enough to not want to risk HIV exposure.


    100+

    http://www.thebody.com/content/73879/life-expectancy-in-some-people-with-hiv-exceeds-av.html?ic=7001

    http://www.thebody.com/index/treat/basics.html
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    Mar 29, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.


    so does living
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    Mar 29, 2014 4:52 AM GMT
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 said
    MisfitToy said
    David3000 saidHIV eventually kills you, that's the thing. People like to believe with modern meds they are and look fine, and for many years that's true, but eventually the disease catch you. Either that or they just dont take care of themselves.


    Well I know people on the medications who do look pretty good still.


    Yeah, that's my point; they look good for many years until the disease catch up then they don't look/feel so good anymore (there are a couple like that around here - that we know of).


    The only reason it would catch up is if they would stop taking the medications. Although this depends on their viral load to begin with.

    I know this guy that got infected in a blood transfusion during a trip, he's been following best treatments for 5 years, hes got a wife to take care of him, eats healthy, etc etc yet for some reason he's already starting to look like shit (and Im not the only one who thinks so because Ive heard other people saying that as well).
    Then I know this other guy, 11 or 12 years poz, he goes to bars and drinks (and I think he also does coke) and he looks relatively healthy (you wouldn't assume he's sick). So I think not every person reacts the same way.
    I was amazed at the wording of the post.People lose jobs and insurance and don't take care of themselves,tina,crach,heroin.There are so many gay men doing different things.Some lose appetite as they get older.Some refuse to work out.There are many reasons People period don't look good or sickly.I don't understand why this issue deserved a post.There are hot guys and there are not so hot guys -there are many reasons.My question is why do some (adults?)guys want to put LIVING HUMAN BEINGS into beautiful and not beautiful categories.There is something seriously wrong with that kind of thinking.What is the point to this thread.you don't look good and I have to be punished looking at you is what I'm hearing.
  • johninmiami

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    Mar 29, 2014 5:00 AM GMT
    Shameful post!I'm retyping this so people can see the wrong question is being asked.The world is full of people who do not live exactly the way bodybuilders,or just plain healthy people do.There are a myriad of reasons.Also,some people have healthy minds but not healthy bodies.StephenHawking for one.The real question is why any adult thinking person thinks he has the right to ask what is wrong with that group over there why don't they look good.This is a childish question.I can't believe only one person here suggested what an inane foolish viewpoint was being espoused.It shows that many of us adults have critically bad thinking going on .Not everyone looks bad because of drugs or hiv.But really what kind of question is that?Typical sick gay immature mentality.What is wrong with all the fat people in this room?That is how crazy this question is.
  • johninmiami

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    Mar 29, 2014 5:06 AM GMT
    "drugs give you wrinkles...make you look like sh..t"OH!That's the reason not to poison my body .I gotta look good.lol.This post has the most absurd responses imaginable.
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    Mar 29, 2014 6:11 AM GMT
    Cry me a fucking river buddy.I have a right to ask any question that's on my mind so if you don't like it simply ignore my threads and keep it pushing..
  • dfrourke

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    Apr 06, 2014 8:05 PM GMT
    johninmiami saidShameful post!I'm retyping this so people can see the wrong question is being asked.The world is full of people who do not live exactly the way bodybuilders,or just plain healthy people do.There are a myriad of reasons.Also,some people have healthy minds but not healthy bodies.StephenHawking for one.The real question is why any adult thinking person thinks he has the right to ask what is wrong with that group over there why don't they look good.This is a childish question.I can't believe only one person here suggested what an inane foolish viewpoint was being espoused.It shows that many of us adults have critically bad thinking going on .Not everyone looks bad because of drugs or hiv.But really what kind of question is that?Typical sick gay immature mentality.What is wrong with all the fat people in this room?That is how crazy this question is.


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    Apr 06, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
    My late partner had HIV for 12 years, and always looked healthy. If anything, his problem was he was GAINING weight he didn't want. Then he suddenly contracted a 100%-fatal AIDS opportunistic disease, PML.

    I was determined he wasn't going to die looking like a skeleton, since PML can block the desire for food. And indeed it did with him, so I spoon fed him myself in his dementia, learned how to trick him into eating, almost like with a baby. The nurses wouldn't bother, he would have wasted away, adding to his misery.

    And when he died he hadn't lost a single pound, he looked as outwardly healthy as ever. That's a dramatic example, but I know plenty of HIV and AIDS patients who look as healthy as anyone else, you could never guess they had any sickness whatsoever (an important thing to know in terms of having safe sex with strangers). And others I know who look sick, underweight & frail who have something OTHER than HIV or other STD wrong with them, like cancer, or heart disease.

    So don't make judgments based on appearances, which can be deceptive. When my own belly ballooned during my cancer treatment, due to male hormone suppression, word got back to me that it was rumored I had HIV, and my new "figure" was due to my HIV meds. icon_eek.gif

    And indeed, a particular belly bulge is known to happen to some men taking those meds. My volunteer work with HIV organizations only seemed to bolster that assessment. Fortunately I'm not personally bothered by such misconceptions, let people think what they want about me, HIV is no shame.

    But it DOES bother me that people jump to erroneous conclusions that COULD cause disadvantages to others besides myself. I'm pretty much immune to loose talk, but others may not be. Be careful you're not a spreader of unfounded rumors yourself, especially about HIV, which carries as many social side-effects as medical.
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    May 19, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
    LionEyes saidHIV and AIDS it's not the same thing number one. Two, people that looks gaunt are most likely to be heavy Tina users than sick. Crystal Meth or commonly known as Tina when used in frequency curtails the appetite and in very few months they look like a skeleton. Only AIDS in the late stages a person's body weight drop along with hair loss, they can't even walk.

    I'm ALMOST CERTAIN that a lot of guys that you see here are just heavy drug users rather than AIDS patients. I'm not saying that they may also have HIV but it's not the reason why they look the way they look. I have a dear friend that he's not talking to me because I address his drug abuse problem, very sad...


    Yep!
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    May 19, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
    _Behemoth_ saidCry me a fucking river buddy.I have a right to ask any question that's on my mind so if you don't like it simply ignore my threads and keep it pushing..


    You do have a legit question. It's more David3000's ignorant responses people are responding to.

    In the 80's some of my friends called it "looking a little "AIDSy". It was harsh, but we were also HIV+ too, so it was more of a coping mechanism. It's what Tom Hanks looked like in "Philadelphia". The stereotypical gaunt, pale, losing hair, clothes a size too big from losing weight quickly.....and the Kaposi's sarcoma. But even then there were a lot of guys who looked totally fit yet died the next day from AIDS. My buddy Victor was like that, he played soft ball on Sunday, in the hospital on Monday and died on Wednesday from pneumonia.

    I think AIDS brought on the whole "Bear" movement. Thin was suddenly out, some beef looked more healthy. SO where some is good, more is better! Now it's a specialized cult. As the population got heavier in general and with AIDS, bears became wanted. But of course that was just perception. Same for today. Now "that look" is for meth users. But some of them look totally normal too, at least early on. Doesn't mean a damn thing really, nowadays they could have cancer or another illness.
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    May 20, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
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    MisfitToy saidHave they disclosed to you it's HIV/AIDS?
    well of course


    "....and yes you can kinda imagine It's HIV/AIDS before they tell you."

    Bullshit! No stranger on the street is going to tell you he has AIDS. And you already said you "kinda imagine" it.
  • mladri

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    Aug 20, 2014 12:31 PM GMT
    I'm pale and I'm on on drugs...and no, I'm not sick....I'm just pale icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 20, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
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    LionEyes saidHIV and AIDS it's not the same thing number one. Two, people that looks gaunt are most likely to be heavy Tina users than sick. Crystal Meth or commonly known as Tina when used in frequency curtails the appetite and in very few months they look like a skeleton. Only AIDS in the late stages a person's body weight drop along with hair loss, they can't even walk.

    I'm ALMOST CERTAIN that a lot of guys that you see here are just heavy drug users rather than AIDS patients. I'm not saying that they may also have HIV but it's not the reason why they look the way they look. I have a dear friend that he's not talking to me because I address his drug abuse problem, very sad...


    Yep!


    I don't agree with stigmatising HIV positive or those who have developed full blown AIDS. As an Australian, I can proudly point out that both sides of politics have supported harm minimisation strategies that have ensured that an epidemic didn't occur.

    I applaud how HIV positive related issues have been highlighted to include both a harm minimisation, accompanied with information on HIV positive people can lead longer lives.

    Having said that, HIV is still able to shorten overall life, as well as quality of life. I am concerned that the message health agencies have been reducing community concerns and now HIV numbers are rising.

    Hopefully sometime soon a balanced message gets out on the Community which is in need for good hard look at the attitude many