Dick Cheney on Torture: "'If I Would Have To Do It All Over Again, I Would"

  • creature

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    Mar 28, 2014 2:10 PM GMT
    Dick Cheney still doesn't think waterboarding is torture, and if given the chance, he would employ those interrogation techniques again.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/28/dick-cheney-torture_n_5048809.html
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    Did you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:19 PM GMT
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I would expect someone to backpedal their position given what little come of those techniques.

    And it doesn't matter if there are far worse interrogation techniques. Torture is torture.
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    creature said
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I would expect someone to backpedal their position given what little come of those techniques.

    And it doesn't matter if there are far worse interrogation techniques. Torture is torture.


    and what do you suggest?
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:37 PM GMT
    creature saidDick Cheney still doesn't think waterboarding is torture, and if given the chance, he would employ those interrogation techniques again.

    Then he wouldn't object to those same techniques being applied to himself, to learn what other war crimes he committed.

    Yah know, the US clamors that other national leaders face war crimes charges, and some have been brought to the Hague for prosecution & conviction.

    But for political purposes the US turns a blind eye to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and all their subordinates. They could be convicted on the same evidence that has been used against other national leaders. It's pure US politics that they are free, nothing else.
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I'd take that guy in a second as POTUS.
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:41 PM GMT
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    creature saidDick Cheney still doesn't think waterboarding is torture, and if given the chance, he would employ those interrogation techniques again.

    Then he wouldn't object to those same techniques being applied to himself, to learn what other war crimes he committed.

    Yah know, the US clamors that other national leaders face war crimes charges, and some have been brought to the Hague for prosecution & conviction.

    But for political purposes the US turns a blind eye to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and all their subordinates. They could be convicted on the same evidence that has been used against other national leaders. It's pure US politics that they are free, nothing else.


    I don't see exactly what's "free" about it?

    But of course, the left would never ever never ever play politics, would they?
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    Mar 28, 2014 2:48 PM GMT
    AlmondJoy said
    creature said
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I would expect someone to backpedal their position given what little come of those techniques.

    And it doesn't matter if there are far worse interrogation techniques. Torture is torture.


    and what do you suggest?


    I don't know all the techniques available to them, so I would be providing an inadequate response. But my position is that you do not use torture to extract information.
  • topathlete

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    Mar 28, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    Two former CIA heads stated that "enhanced interrogation" (waterboarding) played a key role in getting information that led to Osama. If the same info could have been obtained without waterboarding is conjecture.

    Question has been raised to those who oppose waterboarding - Assume the subject of waterboarding feels intense anxiety fear and discomfort for 2 minutes. Now you have a close family member who lives in a city and a captured person states there is a dirty nuclear bomb in that city that will go off soon but will not give the location. Also assume it is not feasible to notify the public because there would be mass panic people trying to get out of the city.

    The question is would you support subjecting this person to 2 minutes of grief to try and get the location to defuse the bomb and protect your family member?

    Of the people I've asked most say yes. A few refuse to answer saying it's hypothetical. However aren't all contingency plans hypothetical? Isn't it just a cop out to avoid answering?
  • Kazachok

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    Mar 28, 2014 5:58 PM GMT
    Oh, Theodore Van Kirk must be his hero.
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    Mar 28, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    creature said
    AlmondJoy said
    creature said
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I would expect someone to backpedal their position given what little come of those techniques.

    And it doesn't matter if there are far worse interrogation techniques. Torture is torture.


    and what do you suggest?


    I don't know all the techniques available to them, so I would be providing an inadequate response. But my position is that you do not use torture to extract information.


    Well, you don't use a donut and a cup of coffee to get people to talk. Did you ever hear of denailing? It's when someone rips off your fingernails and toenails. Did you ever see the dental torture scene in "Marathon Man" with Dustin Hoffman?

    marathon-man.jpg
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    Mar 28, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
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    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.

    I'd take that guy in a second as POTUS.

    Sure, just what we need, another war criminal as president.
  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 28, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    I`m not surprised. At the very least he has to stand by them as otherwise he`d be opening himself up to all sorts of possible actions in court, etc.

    I wonder if he thinks it would be okay for another government to use such techniques on US citizens they deemed enemies?
  • creature

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    Mar 28, 2014 10:55 PM GMT
    AlmondJoy said
    creature said
    AlmondJoy said
    creature said
    AlmondJoy saidDid you expect him to backpedal? There are far worse interrogation techniques than waterbaording.


    I would expect someone to backpedal their position given what little come of those techniques.

    And it doesn't matter if there are far worse interrogation techniques. Torture is torture.


    and what do you suggest?


    I don't know all the techniques available to them, so I would be providing an inadequate response. But my position is that you do not use torture to extract information.


    Well, you don't use a donut and a cup of coffee to get people to talk. Did you ever hear of denailing? It's when someone rips off your fingernails and toenails. Did you ever see the dental torture scene in "Marathon Man" with Dustin Hoffman?

    marathon-man.jpg


    AlmondJoy,

    I already acknowledged that there could be worse techniques. That does not excuse waterboarding as being permissible. We need to hold ourselves to higher standards.
  • creature

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    Mar 28, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidI`m not surprised. At the very least he has to stand by them as otherwise he`d be opening himself up to all sorts of possible actions in court, etc.

    I wonder if he thinks it would be okay for another government to use such techniques on US citizens they deemed enemies?


    And that's part of the problem. Some people are comfortable when despicable things happen to those deemed as "others," but see it as a violation when it's happening to "one of us."