Michigan Won't Recognize Same-Sex Marriages but the federal government will

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    Mar 28, 2014 5:45 PM GMT
    even tho the state of Michigan has decided NOT to recognize marriage those gay marriages the federal government will.
    Nice to know which side your bread has the butter.

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    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html


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    Mar 28, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    How can this be??? Republican RJers are always telling us that US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us.

    A Republican State governor refuses to extend State benefits to 300 same-sex couples already legally married there, but the Democratic Obama Administration does recognize them, for Federal benefits.

    OK, RJ Republicans, please explain that.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-he word slut doesn't quite have the same-michigan-sex-couple-marriages-23097138

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    Mar 29, 2014 12:20 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO saidHow can this be??? Republican RJers are always telling us that US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us.

    A Republican State governor refuses to extend State benefits to 300 same-sex couples already legally married there, but the Democratic Obama Administration does recognize them, for Federal benefits.

    OK, RJ Republicans, please explain that.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-he word slut doesn't quite have the same-michigan-sex-couple-marriages-23097138

    :::crickets:::


    Please remind me where any "Republican RJer" wrote that "US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us."

    In my old age, I'm afraid my memory fails me and I can't recall ever seeing any "RJ Republican" write that, but I do look forward to your citation of said passage at which time I will comment on it.
    Just ignore Art's nonsensical, leftist psychobabble. He is just doing this to get attention.
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    Mar 29, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Just ignore Art's nonsensical, leftist psychobabble. He is just doing this to get attention.

    I guess you guys have abandoned your short-lived pretense of playing nice here? Are we back to where we were before, with ad hominem attacks? I just wanna make sure before I post a similar reply.
  • creature

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    Mar 29, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO saidHow can this be??? Republican RJers are always telling us that US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us.

    A Republican State governor refuses to extend State benefits to 300 same-sex couples already legally married there, but the Democratic Obama Administration does recognize them, for Federal benefits.

    OK, RJ Republicans, please explain that.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-he word slut doesn't quite have the same-michigan-sex-couple-marriages-23097138

    :::crickets:::


    Please remind me where any "Republican RJer" wrote that "US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us."

    In my old age, I'm afraid my memory fails me and I can't recall ever seeing any "RJ Republican" write that, but I do look forward to your citation of said passage at which time I will comment on it.
    Just ignore Art's nonsensical, leftist psychobabble. He is just doing this to get attention.


    Psychobabble? roadbikeRob, you don't want to go there.

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    But going back to the article the OP linked to, I am glad to see the federal government stepping. It's nice to see big government taking action.
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    Mar 29, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    creature said
    But going back to the article the OP linked to, I am glad to see the federal government stepping [in]. It's nice to see big government taking action.

    Don't tell that to southbeach and roadbike. They're pretending that a Republican Governor had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here, no pattern of Republican anti-gay behavior here. It's all Art's "psychobabble", it never happened. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 29, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    creature said
    roadbikeRob said
    southbeach1500 said
    ART_DECO saidHow can this be??? Republican RJers are always telling us that US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us.

    A Republican State governor refuses to extend State benefits to 300 same-sex couples already legally married there, but the Democratic Obama Administration does recognize them, for Federal benefits.

    OK, RJ Republicans, please explain that.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-he word slut doesn't quite have the same-michigan-sex-couple-marriages-23097138

    :::crickets:::


    Please remind me where any "Republican RJer" wrote that "US Republicans love gays, and Democrats like President Obama hate us."

    In my old age, I'm afraid my memory fails me and I can't recall ever seeing any "RJ Republican" write that, but I do look forward to your citation of said passage at which time I will comment on it.
    Just ignore Art's nonsensical, leftist psychobabble. He is just doing this to get attention.


    Psychobabble? roadbikeRob, you don't want to go there.

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    But going back to the article the OP linked to, I am glad to see the federal government stepping. It's nice to see big government taking action.
    The psychobabble is from all you unenlightened single issue voters who would condemn a politician just because he or she won't support gay marriage even though they are doing a very good job overall. Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder is an excellent leader whose tough fiscal policies have rescued Michigan from total financial ruin courtesy of the democrats, the political party that bankrupted the cities of Detroit and Flint to a point that it took a good, republican governor like Rick Snyder to send in emergency financial managers with a mandate to clean up house and get both Detroit and Flint back on solid financial footing. Rick Snyder is the kind of governor that New York desperately needs now.
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    Mar 29, 2014 1:13 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe psychobabble is from all you unenlightened single issue voters...

    And are you not a single issue voter yourself? Just not for any gay issues?

    Yah know, I don't tend to be a single issue voter myself. One must balance different issues, and find the best compromise.

    But when Republicans make it an issue that I, as a gay man, can't have the same civil rights as other citizens, that's kinda important to me. It takes precedence over a lot of other issues. Doesn't it for you?

    I can't get legally married in Florida, I can't inherit, I can be barred from my husband's hospital sick bed, he can't have my pension when I die nor can I have his, I can't have over 1000 State benefits that straight married couples do.

    And you call me a single issue voter? I've got thousands of issues, and your Republicans oppose them all. Now please address that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 29, 2014 1:34 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    creature said
    But going back to the article the OP linked to, I am glad to see the federal government stepping [in]. It's nice to see big government taking action.

    Don't tell that to southbeach and roadbike. They're pretending that a Republican Governor had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here, no pattern of Republican anti-gay behavior here. It's all Art's "psychobabble", it never happened. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Art, you need to understand that Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has his plate full largely due to the serious financial problems that continue to bedevil both Detroit and Flint. Two industrial cities that were bankrupted by your crooked, incompetent democratic party for the past five decades. This is what happens when you let one political party have monopoly control over urban governance for too damned long. Probably if Gov. Rick Snyder didn't have to babysit the incompetent, crooked democratic city officials in both Detroit and Flint he would have had more time to focus on this gay marriage issue.
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    ART_DECO said
    creature said
    But going back to the article the OP linked to, I am glad to see the federal government stepping [in]. It's nice to see big government taking action.

    Don't tell that to southbeach and roadbike. They're pretending that a Republican Governor had nothing to do with it. Move along, nothing to see here, no pattern of Republican anti-gay behavior here. It's all Art's "psychobabble", it never happened. icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are? How so? Where did either one of them do that? Show us?
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    roadbikeRob saidArt, you need to understand that Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has his plate full largely due to the serious financial problems...

    Then why is he wasting time on a non-financial social item? Here's a paste from another thread on this topic:

    ART_DECO said
    creature said
    He could simply recognize those approximately 300 marriages until the future is decided in the court's about his administration's push to ban marriage equality.

    Actually he didn't have to do ANYTHING to "recognize" those marriages. Just sit back and do NOTHING. They WERE recognized, and legal, by virtue of them being official marriages. Is the Governor's involvement required to "recognize" every legal marriage that takes place in Michigan every day? He'd be a very busy guy!

    What Republican Governor Synder did do was go out of his way, and distract himself from the "more important things [he has] to worry about", in order to direct various Michigan agencies to disregard these same-sex marriages.

    On what authority he used I have no idea, because his action itself may now be subject to legal challenge, at more cost to Michigan taxpayers. But I'm sure it will play well to the Republican base, and Fox News listeners, which is what this is really all about.
  • rnch

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    Mar 29, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
    Doesn't a Federal law supersede a state law?
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    We all know that Republicans are all for fiscal responsibility! LOL. Of course, Reagan and Bush ran up the tab, only Clinton brought it back under control. Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor.

    I'd be curious to know how many millions or billions of dollars Republicans have caused to be spent to fight inevitable Gay equality? History is already showing what side they are on, the losing one. The whole Republican Party platform of anti-gay views are the Maddox's and Wallace's of inequality. Two Dixie-crats don't equal a whole party.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/21/718611/republican-party-platform-is-unwaveringly-anti-gay-thanks-to-hate-groups-contributions/

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    We oppose the Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle — in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts — makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.


    But reading this:

    Michigan's gay-marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last Friday, struck down by Bernard Friedman, a judge who was originally appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan. A couple of days later, when Friedman’s decision was stayed pending an appeal, the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, didn't speak out against it. Rather, he said he would go along with the court either way.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/republicans-are-driving-the-momentum-for-gay-marriage/359595/

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder remarked that the state would not “recognize the benefits of the [gay] marriage[s] until there’s a removal of the stay.” The stay in question halted gay marriage in the Great Lakes State and was granted by the 6th circuit court of appeals shortly after Judge Friedman’s ruling was given. That ruling will now be subject to the 6th circuit’s jurisprudence.


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html

    So I'm a little confused if Snyder is for or against it? Or just following court stay procedures. The Republican Party IS changing. I'm real curious to see the next Party Platform. But until there is TOTAL removal of anything anti-Gay from the Republican Platform I can not trust them.
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    rnch said
    Doesn't a Federal law supersede a state law?

    In this case, only regarding Federal benefits. The Republican Governor can still block State benefits to gay married couples, as he's done.

    You know,it would be refreshing (if not startling) if the gay haters here would actually condemn Republican actions like these. But don't hold your breath.
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    Mar 29, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
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    We all know that Republicans are all for fiscal responsibility! LOL. Of course, Reagan and Bush ran up the tab, only Clinton brought it back under control. Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor.

    I'd be curious to know how many millions or billions of dollars Republicans have caused to be spent to fight inevitable Gay equality? History is already showing what side they are on, the losing one. The whole Republican Party platform of anti-gay views are the Maddox's and Wallace's of inequality. Two Dixie-crats don't equal a whole party.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/21/718611/republican-party-platform-is-unwaveringly-anti-gay-thanks-to-hate-groups-contributions/

    Quote

    We oppose the Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle — in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts — makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.


    But reading this:

    Michigan's gay-marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last Friday, struck down by Bernard Friedman, a judge who was originally appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan. A couple of days later, when Friedman’s decision was stayed pending an appeal, the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, didn't speak out against it. Rather, he said he would go along with the court either way.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/republicans-are-driving-the-momentum-for-gay-marriage/359595/

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder remarked that the state would not “recognize the benefits of the [gay] marriage[s] until there’s a removal of the stay.” The stay in question halted gay marriage in the Great Lakes State and was granted by the 6th circuit court of appeals shortly after Judge Friedman’s ruling was given. That ruling will now be subject to the 6th circuit’s jurisprudence.


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html

    So I'm a little confused if Snyder is for or against it? Or just following court stay procedures. The Republican Party IS changing. I'm real curious to see the next Party Platform. But until there is TOTAL removal of anything anti-Gay from the Republican Platform I can not trust them.


    "Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor"

    For how many decades are you going to be using this excuse?
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    ART_DECO said
    rnch said
    Doesn't a Federal law supersede a state law?

    In this case, only regarding Federal benefits. The Republican Governor can still block State benefits to gay married couples, as he's done.

    You know,it would be refreshing (if not startling) if the gay haters here would actually condemn Republican actions like these. But don't hold your breath.


    Gay haters where? Here? On RJ? Who?

    "actually condemn Republican actions like these"

    I think I just did in the other Michigan thread. Does that not count or do I need to do it every thread?
  • creature

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    Mar 29, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    unckabasa said
    We all know that Republicans are all for fiscal responsibility! LOL. Of course, Reagan and Bush ran up the tab, only Clinton brought it back under control. Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor.

    I'd be curious to know how many millions or billions of dollars Republicans have caused to be spent to fight inevitable Gay equality? History is already showing what side they are on, the losing one. The whole Republican Party platform of anti-gay views are the Maddox's and Wallace's of inequality. Two Dixie-crats don't equal a whole party.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/21/718611/republican-party-platform-is-unwaveringly-anti-gay-thanks-to-hate-groups-contributions/

    Quote

    We oppose the Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle — in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts — makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.


    But reading this:

    Michigan's gay-marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last Friday, struck down by Bernard Friedman, a judge who was originally appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan. A couple of days later, when Friedman’s decision was stayed pending an appeal, the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, didn't speak out against it. Rather, he said he would go along with the court either way.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/republicans-are-driving-the-momentum-for-gay-marriage/359595/

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder remarked that the state would not “recognize the benefits of the [gay] marriage[s] until there’s a removal of the stay.” The stay in question halted gay marriage in the Great Lakes State and was granted by the 6th circuit court of appeals shortly after Judge Friedman’s ruling was given. That ruling will now be subject to the 6th circuit’s jurisprudence.


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html

    So I'm a little confused if Snyder is for or against it? Or just following court stay procedures. The Republican Party IS changing. I'm real curious to see the next Party Platform. But until there is TOTAL removal of anything anti-Gay from the Republican Platform I can not trust them.


    "Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor"

    For how many decades are you going to be using this excuse?


    Maybe until it no longer applies.
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    unckabasa said
    We all know that Republicans are all for fiscal responsibility! LOL. Of course, Reagan and Bush ran up the tab, only Clinton brought it back under control. Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor.

    I'd be curious to know how many millions or billions of dollars Republicans have caused to be spent to fight inevitable Gay equality? History is already showing what side they are on, the losing one. The whole Republican Party platform of anti-gay views are the Maddox's and Wallace's of inequality. Two Dixie-crats don't equal a whole party.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/21/718611/republican-party-platform-is-unwaveringly-anti-gay-thanks-to-hate-groups-contributions/

    Quote

    We oppose the Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle — in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts — makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.


    But reading this:

    Michigan's gay-marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last Friday, struck down by Bernard Friedman, a judge who was originally appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan. A couple of days later, when Friedman’s decision was stayed pending an appeal, the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, didn't speak out against it. Rather, he said he would go along with the court either way.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/republicans-are-driving-the-momentum-for-gay-marriage/359595/

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder remarked that the state would not “recognize the benefits of the [gay] marriage[s] until there’s a removal of the stay.” The stay in question halted gay marriage in the Great Lakes State and was granted by the 6th circuit court of appeals shortly after Judge Friedman’s ruling was given. That ruling will now be subject to the 6th circuit’s jurisprudence.


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html

    So I'm a little confused if Snyder is for or against it? Or just following court stay procedures. The Republican Party IS changing. I'm real curious to see the next Party Platform. But until there is TOTAL removal of anything anti-Gay from the Republican Platform I can not trust them.


    I just hope for your sake that we have another crash in 2016, which frankly would be likely. You'll be hearing about it from 'us' for about the next 50 years.
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    creature said
    freedomisntfree said
    unckabasa said
    We all know that Republicans are all for fiscal responsibility! LOL. Of course, Reagan and Bush ran up the tab, only Clinton brought it back under control. Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor.

    I'd be curious to know how many millions or billions of dollars Republicans have caused to be spent to fight inevitable Gay equality? History is already showing what side they are on, the losing one. The whole Republican Party platform of anti-gay views are the Maddox's and Wallace's of inequality. Two Dixie-crats don't equal a whole party.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/21/718611/republican-party-platform-is-unwaveringly-anti-gay-thanks-to-hate-groups-contributions/

    Quote

    We oppose the Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle — in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts — makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.


    But reading this:

    Michigan's gay-marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last Friday, struck down by Bernard Friedman, a judge who was originally appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan. A couple of days later, when Friedman’s decision was stayed pending an appeal, the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, didn't speak out against it. Rather, he said he would go along with the court either way.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/republicans-are-driving-the-momentum-for-gay-marriage/359595/

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder remarked that the state would not “recognize the benefits of the [gay] marriage[s] until there’s a removal of the stay.” The stay in question halted gay marriage in the Great Lakes State and was granted by the 6th circuit court of appeals shortly after Judge Friedman’s ruling was given. That ruling will now be subject to the 6th circuit’s jurisprudence.


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/03/eric-holder-declares-federal-government-will-recognize-gay-marriages-performed-in-michigan-.html

    So I'm a little confused if Snyder is for or against it? Or just following court stay procedures. The Republican Party IS changing. I'm real curious to see the next Party Platform. But until there is TOTAL removal of anything anti-Gay from the Republican Platform I can not trust them.


    "Obama, like FDR, is still dealing with fiscal issues from his predecessor"

    For how many decades are you going to be using this excuse?


    Maybe until it no longer applies.


    I must have freedomisntfree blocked. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" George Santayana
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 30, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    Yet another example of the Republican war on gay Americans.
    Thanks to President Obama, this latest hateful attempt to damage gay families in Michigan has failed.
    The Republicans just keep losing...
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    KissTheSky saidYet another example of the Republican war on gay Americans.
    Thanks to President Obama, this latest hateful attempt to damage gay families in Michigan has failed.
    The Republicans just keep losing...


    A few more 'gays' just like you and I'm quite certain that you could manage to turn this into CW II.
  • creature

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    Mar 30, 2014 6:45 PM GMT
    Oh, stop with the melodramatics, freedomisntfree. KissTheSky is only highlighting that with anti-gay legislation, it is primarily pushed by Republicans.

    According to the 2012 Republican platform, they are "defending marriage."

    http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 30, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
    creature saidOh, stop with the melodramatics, freedomisntfree. KissTheSky is only highlighting that with anti-gay legislation, it is primarily pushed by Republicans.

    According to the 2012 Republican platform, they are "defending marriage."

    http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf
    You mean it is pushed by right wingers in the GOP. Not all republicans are anti-gay. Can't you LEFTIST LUNATICS get that through your thick headsicon_question.gificon_mad.gif
  • creature

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    Mar 30, 2014 6:51 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    creature saidOh, stop with the melodramatics, freedomisntfree. KissTheSky is only highlighting that with anti-gay legislation, it is primarily pushed by Republicans.

    According to the 2012 Republican platform, they are "defending marriage."

    http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf
    You mean it is pushed by right wingers in the GOP. Not all republicans are anti-gay. Can't you LEFTIST LUNATICS get that through your thick headsicon_question.gificon_mad.gif


    I didn't say "all," did I? Exactly.

    And you might want to tone down your post. It is not conducive to a healthy debate.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 30, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    creature said
    roadbikeRob said
    creature saidOh, stop with the melodramatics, freedomisntfree. KissTheSky is only highlighting that with anti-gay legislation, it is primarily pushed by Republicans.

    According to the 2012 Republican platform, they are "defending marriage."

    http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf
    You mean it is pushed by right wingers in the GOP. Not all republicans are anti-gay. Can't you LEFTIST LUNATICS get that through your thick headsicon_question.gificon_mad.gif


    I didn't say "all," did I? Exactly.

    And you might want to tone down your post. It is not conducive to a healthy debate.
    Than you need to say conservative republicans and not just republicans. Generalizations are the cause of conflicts on here. Also 2012 is in the past so get over it. Lets focus on the future.