Atheists - An Odd Bunch

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    Apr 01, 2014 4:05 AM GMT
    Before I make my statement, let me preface this post by saying I am not a religious person. In fact, I actually think most religions I know of are quite ridiculous and are the root cause of much of the ills we see in society today. But I don't understand Atheists any better. I have a couple of simple questions for you:

    • How can you be so damn sure nothing exists after this life?
    • Why do you assume the word "God" must be that of the Christian God? Who says it must be a deity?
    • Where does this burning desire to reject the possibility of a God come from? It's certainly not a comforting thought, so why do you insist that you know something you cannot truly know?

















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    Apr 01, 2014 4:11 AM GMT
    Many assumptions, much errors, so RJ, wow.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:12 AM GMT
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidAtheism likes to align itself with science but its has a disbelief in the existence of God based on no evidence. Atheism is not science and science is not atheism.


    But it so happens that a much larger majority of scientists (compared to civilians) are atheists. Why? Science does not take into account without proof, and nor does atheism. Science is not like, there's no proof of small particles called popotrons in the air, so let's just base all other work on the fact they exist, you know, just in case.

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    Apr 01, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    • How can you be so damn sure nothing exists after this life?
    What makes you think there is?

    • Why do you assume the word "God" must be that of the Christian God? Who says it must be a deity?
    If god is just a concept, the why worship him or pray to him?

    • Where does this burning desire to reject the possibility of a God come from? It's certainly not a comforting thought, so why do you insist that you know something you cannot truly know?

    Science.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    immunity saidAtheism is not believing in anything that cannot be proven by science. If it is not proven, it is illogical to believe in it.
    It is not irrational or faith-based as woodsman tried to claim in the other thread.


    That thread's a mess. Woodsman seems only interested in creating a circular argument that never ends. That's not my goal at all.

    It's said that science is based on observation. There are many things we observe in our personal lives that cannot be explained through science. I'm just curios why Atheists are so eager to dismiss those observations and experiences, rather than leave open the possibility that there is more to this life than we know.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:18 AM GMT
    Atheists suck, I mean they are as sure as the religious about their believes. For me the ones I respect the most are the agnostics, it's OK to accept we dont really know what's going on out there.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    woodsmen said^ Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein are not atheists. Why?


    “So Einstein was wrong when he said, "God does not play dice." Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen.”
    ― Stephen Hawking

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    Apr 01, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    There have been approximately 5,000 gods to be worshipped throughout history. What makes a christian or a muslim think that there god is the right one?
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:21 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidWhy are some of worst murderers in mankind's history, atheists? Hitler (who killed 7 million people), Stalin (12 million people), and Mao Zedong (who killed 70 million Chinese).


    Hitler was Catholic.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:23 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThere are many things we observe in our personal lives that cannot be explained through science. I'm just curios why Atheists are so eager to dismiss those observations and experiences, rather than leave open the possibility that there is more to this life than we know.

    Such as?
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:24 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidScience is fundamentally based on testing of null hypotheses. In statistical inference of observed data of a scientific experiment, the null hypothesis refers to a general or default position: that there is no relationship between two measured phenomena, or that a potential medical treatment has no effect.

    Rejecting or disproving the null hypothesis – and thus concluding that there are grounds for believing that there is a relationship between two phenomena or that a potential treatment has a measurable effect – is a central task in the modern practice of science, and gives a precise sense in which a claim is capable of being proven false.

    If God's existence is not capable of proven false, science does not have anything to say about that particular null hypothesis.


    A null hypothesis cannot be 'disproven', just rejected, with type 1 (alpha) error.
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    I just wanted a cup of tea, and relaxing on RJ, but I guess that's too much to ask for. I'm just going to text my date.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:26 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidWhy are some of worst murderers in mankind's history, atheists? Hitler (who killed 7 million people), Stalin (12 million people), and Mao Zedong (who killed 70 million Chinese).


    And how many died due to religion? :/
    Crusades, Jihad, etc.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:28 AM GMT
    If your claim that thermodynamics will not permit the evolution of complex living structures is true, then how do you explain, without resorting to make-believe special mechanisms that have no basis in thermodynamics, the development of a chick in an egg?

    Why can't God heal amputees?


    If god knows the future, do we have free will?


    If he created everything and he is perfect, why did he created Lucifer?


    Why doesn't the Bible and Quran talk about dinosaurs or cavemen?


    Why doesn't god make miracles nowadays?


    Why are Abrahamic religions so similar to Greek and Norse mythologies and pagan myths?

    Name one experiment that clearly disproves evolution or that demonstrates creationism.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:30 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidIf your claim that thermodynamics will not permit the evolution of complex living structures is true, then how do you explain, without resorting to make-believe special mechanisms that have no basis in thermodynamics, the development of a chick in an egg?

    Why can't God heal amputees?


    If god knows the future, do we have free will?


    If he created everything and he is perfect, why did he created Lucifer?


    Why doesn't the Bible and Quran talk about dinosaurs or cavemen?


    Why doesn't god make miracles nowadays?


    Why are Abrahamic religions so similar to Greek and Norse mythologies and pagan myths?

    Name one experiment that clearly disproves evolution or that demonstrates creationism.


    All of your questions point directly to my original post. Why do you assume everything must be based on the Bible or any other stupid book? You're soooo closed-minded.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:30 AM GMT
    I see my fear of Woodsman taking over my thread has been realized. I was actually wanting this to be a learning experience, but I can see that won't happen now. icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidI will stop posting Scruffy.


    I don't mind you posting, but you have a tendency to post without hearing what the other person is saying. It's like you just walk all over their words. It has to be a two-way conversation for anyone to learn anything.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:33 AM GMT
    Why do atheists have to entertain the possibility of the Christian god? Or the gods of other religions? Do we also have to entertain those gods of antiquity? What about the animists? Their beliefs are no more unfounded than those stemming from the Bible.

    As it has been said many times, you can create an infinite number of characters and stories, yet you believe atheists have to keep an open mind about them all?

    I find that to be ridiculous.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:37 AM GMT
    creature saidWhy do atheists have to entertain the possibility of the Christian god? Or the gods of other religions? Do we also have to entertain those gods of antiquity? What about the animists? Their beliefs are no more unfounded than those stemming from the Bible.

    As it has been said many times, you can create an infinite number of characters and stories, yet you believe atheists have to keep an open mind about them all?

    I find that to be ridiculous.


    No not at all. But why not keep an open mind about SOMETHING? We live in a vast universe with so many great mysteries they could never be counted. Why not just open your mind up to possibilities without sealing the door shut to new ideas?
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:40 AM GMT
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    creature saidWhy do atheists have to entertain the possibility of the Christian god? Or the gods of other religions? Do we also have to entertain those gods of antiquity? What about the animists? Their beliefs are no more unfounded than those stemming from the Bible.

    As it has been said many times, you can create an infinite number of characters and stories, yet you believe atheists have to keep an open mind about them all?

    I find that to be ridiculous.


    No not at all. But why not keep an open mind about SOMETHING? We live in a vast universe with so many great mysteries they could never be counted. Why not just open your mind up to possibilities without sealing the door shut to new ideas?


    We are keeping an open mind. Science is always searching. And when something is presented to us in the form of evidence, then we believe. It's that simple.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:42 AM GMT
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    creature saidWhy do atheists have to entertain the possibility of the Christian god? Or the gods of other religions? Do we also have to entertain those gods of antiquity? What about the animists? Their beliefs are no more unfounded than those stemming from the Bible.

    As it has been said many times, you can create an infinite number of characters and stories, yet you believe atheists have to keep an open mind about them all?

    I find that to be ridiculous.


    No not at all. But why not keep an open mind about SOMETHING? We live in a vast universe with so many great mysteries they could never be counted. Why not just open your mind up to possibilities without sealing the door shut to new ideas?


    I'm open to the evidence. Not knowing doesn't mean believing.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:45 AM GMT
    Most atheists are actually atheist-agnostics (Do not confuse that with agnosticism).
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:47 AM GMT
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    creature saidWhy do atheists have to entertain the possibility of the Christian god? Or the gods of other religions? Do we also have to entertain those gods of antiquity? What about the animists? Their beliefs are no more unfounded than those stemming from the Bible.

    As it has been said many times, you can create an infinite number of characters and stories, yet you believe atheists have to keep an open mind about them all?

    I find that to be ridiculous.


    No not at all. But why not keep an open mind about SOMETHING? We live in a vast universe with so many great mysteries they could never be counted. Why not just open your mind up to possibilities without sealing the door shut to new ideas?


    We are keeping an open mind. Science is always searching. And when something is presented to us in the form of evidence, then we believe. It's that simple.


    I understand. What about things that cannot be explained in your life already? Do you love someone unconditionally, such as your mom or your dog? I feel we are all connected in some way, but I don't have the answer as to what this is or how it happens. But I have a very strong feeling that this life is not all there is. I suppose if you don't feel the same, there is nothing wrong with that. I'm just curious why so many feel determined to reject possibilities of something outside of this existence.
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    Apr 01, 2014 4:48 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidNo not at all. But why not keep an open mind about SOMETHING? We live in a vast universe with so many great mysteries they could never be counted. Why not just open your mind up to possibilities without sealing the door shut to new ideas?

    Lack of faith does not equal a closed mind. It's a choice not to believe in the existence of a god or higher power.

    There is indeed a vast universe out there waiting to be explored with many new discoveries. Many things we discover early on we don't understand but we work for that understanding.

    100 years ago we didn't understand bacteria. Death by infection was an act of god. We know now that it is a bacterial infection caused by an improperly cared for wound (or incision or other) and we have ways of mitigating the effects of contact with potentially dangerous bacteria.

    If anything I've personally found that Atheists are far more willing to accept alternative conclusions to what is happening around us. In comparison many christians (and other faiths) seem very content to just place it at gods feet and be done with it.