"Gay Marriage" official in England & Wales.

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    Apr 02, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    England now having a two tear marriage system, where homosexuals and bisexuals can marry each other, but not in a church. This truly is gay marriage, and not just marriage; thus something different.
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    Apr 02, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
    One ponders: Is this a step forward or backwards?

    If my husband and I were to marry, I would want it to be just a wedding and not a gay one.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 02, 2014 9:36 PM GMT
    The Church of England will follow in time. They're just trying to hold onto their African division. Many Episcopalian churches (American division of the Church of England) will marry gay couples and I expect you could find some in England who will, too. A wedding is a wedding. I don't see why you consider it any different than a straight wedding.
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    Apr 02, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    I think it is still being called gay marriage because it's new and the news papers want to report on the first weddings so they call it gay marriage just to clarify its one of the first same sex marriages.
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    Apr 02, 2014 11:07 PM GMT
    I'm so glad the law has changed in England. This is a positive step towards acceptance for those who are struggling with their sexuality. I'm sure gay marriage will soon be the norm and not a media event.

    Now when will the US follow suit in its federal recognition of gay marriage? I'm guessing in the next 20 years, hopefully sooner.
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    Apr 02, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    Hm I thought they legalized it a while ago when Elton John married that Canadian director. Yay cheerios.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 03, 2014 1:28 AM GMT
    The important thing is equality and justice under the law, so this is huge progress for England. icon_biggrin.gif
    Churches can make up whatever nonsense they want and pretend it matters... I couldn't care less because it doesn't affect me.
  • kew1

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    Apr 03, 2014 9:58 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidThe Church of England will follow in time. They're just trying to hold onto their African division. Many Episcopalian churches (American division of the Church of England) will marry gay couples and I expect you could find some in England who will, too. A wedding is a wedding. I don't see why you consider it any different than a straight wedding.


    That will need a change in the law. The Church of England is expressly forbidden from performing same sex marriages. Other churches can decide for themselves but can't be forced.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Apr 03, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    What do you mean you can't have same-sex Marriage in Church?

    The Church of England is forbidden by law to do so. HOWEVER, Unitarians can marry same sex couples in their Churches and Quakers can int heir meeting houses. In fact you can even have a Civil Partnership in some Unitarian Churches.
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    Apr 03, 2014 7:56 PM GMT
    HamsterCheeks saidI think it is still being called gay marriage because it's new and the news papers want to report on the first weddings so they call it gay marriage just to clarify its one of the first same sex marriages.


    The term "gay marriage" is here to stay I'm afraid. It's a banner even used by gay activists to promote same sex unions. Thus while we have straight marriage and gay marriage, we have a two tear marriage system; thus making gay marriage less, and different, and not equal to being "just married."

    But this is progress; yes.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 03, 2014 7:57 PM GMT
    kew1 said
    Destinharbor saidThe Church of England will follow in time. They're just trying to hold onto their African division. Many Episcopalian churches (American division of the Church of England) will marry gay couples and I expect you could find some in England who will, too. A wedding is a wedding. I don't see why you consider it any different than a straight wedding.


    That will need a change in the law. The Church of England is expressly forbidden from performing same sex marriages. Other churches can decide for themselves but can't be forced.

    Yeah,I read about that after posting. Appears there was a deal made in order to get the legalization through Parliament. From what I read, it sounded like this wasn't something the Church sought but because of connections with the State, Conservative Party lawmakers demanded the prohibition. Give it time, it'll change. And probably soon.
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    Apr 03, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidThe Church of England will follow in time. They're just trying to hold onto their African division. Many Episcopalian churches (American division of the Church of England) will marry gay couples and I expect you could find some in England who will, too. A wedding is a wedding. I don't see why you consider it any different than a straight wedding.


    Gay marriage will not happen in Anglican and Catholic churches, both denominations oppose the law, and a number of other rich and powerful religions follow them too; like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But.....some religious groups like stage ceremonies including the Society Friends (Quakers) and liberal Judaism Movement. If one was to breakaway, it would be the Church Of England.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Apr 03, 2014 8:10 PM GMT
    BurTiger saidI'm so glad the law has changed in England. This is a positive step towards acceptance for those who are struggling with their sexuality. I'm sure gay marriage will soon be the norm and not a media event.

    Now when will the US follow suit in its federal recognition of gay marriage? I'm guessing in the next 20 years, hopefully sooner.



    Where have you been? The United States Government (qua the Department of Justice) DOES recognize all marriages which are legally sanctioned in any state (they did so with 300 gay married couples last week in Michigan, and with 1,300 gay married couples in Utah in January).

    The issue people are confusing is that SCOTUS has not ruled that gay people have a "constitutional right" to marry. But the US Federal Government is certainly recognizing those marriages; to the chagrin of many of the states who do not.

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    Apr 03, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
    I ponder what way will the Scots go?

    Follow England or make their own road, and go in a different direction?
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    Apr 03, 2014 10:23 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe important thing is equality and justice under the law, so this is huge progress for England. icon_biggrin.gif
    Churches can make up whatever nonsense they want and pretend it matters... I couldn't care less because it doesn't affect me.


    I concede, marriage is not on my bucket list. Seems 21+ years latter, my husband and I don't need it.icon_razz.gif If it was, a church would not be part of the plan; a beach in Maui or the Big Island, maybe.

    But I do find it interesting how England and Wales have become a two tear marriage system, with now two levels of marriage, and not one. This may well also have to bring about two different aspects of Marriage law, even Divorce laws too.

    This also may well be the way Australia goes too. After all Tony Abbott has been clear it's a federal matter, and not a State one. But it was a Conservative Government that made Gay Marriage come to pass in England and Wales.