Which Republican presidential candidate will support marriage equality before 2016?

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    Apr 06, 2014 2:52 AM GMT
    Which one?
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    Apr 06, 2014 2:58 AM GMT
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    None. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.
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    Xavier92 saidNone. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.

    That's wrong. Given the state of recent polling on the subject, Democrats will use it to bash Republicans over the head with. Because, you see, for the first time ever, all the polls are on our side.
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    Xavier92 saidNone. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.


    Which Republicans do you see as interested in gay rights?
    That is, interested in supporting gay rights, not blocking.
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    Apr 06, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    None. Unless every single Hispanic in America turned gay. icon_lol.gif
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    Xavier92 saidNone. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.


    Which Republicans do you see as interested in gay rights?
    That is, interested in supporting gay rights, not blocking.

    The only House Republican who has consistently voted with us is Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, from Miami, Florida. The only current Republican senators who occasionally vote with us are Rob Portman of Ohio (ever since his son came out), Mark Kirk of Illinois (well-known closet gay), Lisa Murkowski of Alaska (because she's all mavericky 'n' shit), and Susan Collins of Maine (because she might actually be, you know, sort of a decent person).
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    Xavier92 saidNone. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.


    Which Republicans do you see as interested in gay rights?
    That is, interested in supporting gay rights, not blocking.

    The only House Republican who has consistently voted with us is Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, from Miami, Florida. The only current Republican senators who occasionally vote with us are Rob Portman of Ohio (ever since his son came out), Mark Kirk of Illinois (well-known closet gay), Lisa Murkowski of Alaska (because she's all mavericky 'n' shit), and Susan Collins of Maine (because she might actually be, you know, sort of a decent person).


    Politics may in fact work a bit differently than this... There are probably more Congressional Republicans who support "gay rights" or any other thing for that matter, but will never state such publicly and can always vote "against it". Since many votes are actually known before hand, and as long as a bill has secured a majority, one can actually vote against a bill but be "spiritually" and practically "for it" anyway.
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    Apr 06, 2014 6:33 AM GMT
    I don't want to write a primer on politics any time soon, but a lot of things are already decided in caucuses, conferences and meetings and phone calls among Congressional party members and between the two parties on how the voting will happen on the Floor. Not to mention how a bill becomes a bill in the first place. Maybe Obamacare, and a few other things never had this kind of dialogue and support, but most things do.
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    Apr 06, 2014 6:39 AM GMT
    Not to mention that many Democrats are in fact homophobic themselves but in organized caucuses where informal voting and sanctions can go on, they will vote a certain way that favors "LGBT rights" if they have to vote on something like that.
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    Apr 07, 2014 1:11 AM GMT
    The top two contenders are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie as presidential candidates, but I don't see either one supporting marriage equality. Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul are also likely candidates (especially Rand Paul), and they don't support marriage equality now, nor will they likely do so.
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    Apr 07, 2014 1:14 AM GMT
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    Apr 07, 2014 1:32 AM GMT
    creature saidThe top two contenders are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie as presidential candidates, but I don't see either one supporting marriage equality. Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul are also likely candidates (especially Rand Paul), and they don't support marriage equality now, nor will they likely do so.


    Providing Florida Republicans haven't tilted the playing field again--there is a "Resign To Run" law here. Therefore, if Marco Retardo runs for President in 2016, he has to give up his Senate seat.....He might as well do that anyway, because his chances are not good for winning re-election to the Senate when he's up in 2016 anyway.

    Every Ted Cruz photo op, you have Marco right by his side. If anyone has Presidential ambitions, Ted Cruz is not the guy you want to be palsy-walsy with.....and Marco is just a box of rocks...not a very smart man at all.
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    Apr 07, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
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    Sharkadelic said
    CarolinaMan said
    Xavier92 saidNone. Obama and the rest of demos are no longer interested in gay rights. Now it's up to the states to decide.


    Which Republicans do you see as interested in gay rights?
    That is, interested in supporting gay rights, not blocking.

    The only House Republican who has consistently voted with us is Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, from Miami, Florida.


    I'm very proud of my Rep Ileana!


    Except that she did "evolve" too. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen voted for the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996.
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    Apr 07, 2014 1:46 AM GMT
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    creature saidThe top two contenders are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie as presidential candidates, but I don't see either one supporting marriage equality. Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul are also likely candidates (especially Rand Paul), and they don't support marriage equality now, nor will they likely do so.


    Providing Florida Republicans haven't tilted the playing field again--there is a "Resign To Run" law here. Therefore, if Marco Retardo runs for President in 2016, he has to give up his Senate seat.....He might as well do that anyway, because his chances are not good for winning re-election to the Senate when he's up in 2016 anyway.

    Every Ted Cruz photo op, you have Marco right by his side. If anyone has Presidential ambitions, Ted Cruz is not the guy you want to be palsy-walsy with.....and Marco is just a box of rocks...not a very smart man at all.


    I wasn't aware of the "resign to run" law. You're right, he might as well run since his seat has a good chance of going to a Democrat since it'll be a presidential election year.
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    Apr 07, 2014 2:07 AM GMT
    creature said
    turtleneckjock said
    creature saidThe top two contenders are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie as presidential candidates, but I don't see either one supporting marriage equality. Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul are also likely candidates (especially Rand Paul), and they don't support marriage equality now, nor will they likely do so.


    Providing Florida Republicans haven't tilted the playing field again--there is a "Resign To Run" law here. Therefore, if Marco Retardo runs for President in 2016, he has to give up his Senate seat.....He might as well do that anyway, because his chances are not good for winning re-election to the Senate when he's up in 2016 anyway.

    Every Ted Cruz photo op, you have Marco right by his side. If anyone has Presidential ambitions, Ted Cruz is not the guy you want to be palsy-walsy with.....and Marco is just a box of rocks...not a very smart man at all.


    I wasn't aware of the "resign to run" law. You're right, he might as well run since his seat has a good chance of going to a Democrat since it'll be a presidential election year.


    It would work. Marco loses his Senate seat. The world finds out what a total dunderhead he is during the Republican primaries and he ends up being another K Street lobbyist!
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    Apr 07, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
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    creature said
    turtleneckjock said
    creature saidThe top two contenders are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie as presidential candidates, but I don't see either one supporting marriage equality. Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul are also likely candidates (especially Rand Paul), and they don't support marriage equality now, nor will they likely do so.


    Providing Florida Republicans haven't tilted the playing field again--there is a "Resign To Run" law here. Therefore, if Marco Retardo runs for President in 2016, he has to give up his Senate seat.....He might as well do that anyway, because his chances are not good for winning re-election to the Senate when he's up in 2016 anyway.

    Every Ted Cruz photo op, you have Marco right by his side. If anyone has Presidential ambitions, Ted Cruz is not the guy you want to be palsy-walsy with.....and Marco is just a box of rocks...not a very smart man at all.


    I wasn't aware of the "resign to run" law. You're right, he might as well run since his seat has a good chance of going to a Democrat since it'll be a presidential election year.


    It would work. Marco loses his Senate seat. The world finds out what a total dunderhead he is during the Republican primaries and he ends up being another K Street lobbyist!


    For his sake, I hope he's a better lobbyist than he is a senator.

    Since we're on the subject of Florida, I don't quite understand how in the recent special election that a majority of the citizens elected a former lobbyist, Republican David Jolly, to go and fix what's broken in Washington. I really don't understand some voters.
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    Apr 07, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
    I would not be the least bit surprised if Jeb Bush, and probably Chris Christie as well, come out eventually supporting gay marriage in 2016. Obviously, I'm still hoping that somewhere down the line here we see Jon Huntsman re-emerge on the election landscape, and I have no doubt he would also support gay marriage if he did. Surely, any of the leading candidates must know that the status quo of Republicans coming off as resisting change and appearing non-progressive in their thinking is not going to win them a general election
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI would not be the least bit surprised if Jeb Bush, and probably Chris Christie as well, come out eventually supporting gay marriage in 2016. Obviously, I'm still hoping that somewhere down the line here we see Jon Huntsman re-emerge on the election landscape, and I have no doubt he would also support gay marriage if he did. Surely, any of the leading candidates must know that the status quo of Republicans coming off as resisting change and appearing non-progressive in their thinking is not going to win them a general election

    Huntsman already said he supports SSM.
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    Apr 07, 2014 4:18 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI would not be the least bit surprised if Jeb Bush, and probably Chris Christie as well, come out eventually supporting gay marriage in 2016. Obviously, I'm still hoping that somewhere down the line here we see Jon Huntsman re-emerge on the election landscape, and I have no doubt he would also support gay marriage if he did. Surely, any of the leading candidates must know that the status quo of Republicans coming off as resisting change and appearing non-progressive in their thinking is not going to win them a general election

    Huntsman already said he supports SSM.




    Good to hear! icon_biggrin.gif For some reason I was under the impression he was more in favor of "civil unions" but glad to hear he has stepped it up
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    Apr 07, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI would not be the least bit surprised if Jeb Bush, and probably Chris Christie as well, come out eventually supporting gay marriage in 2016. Obviously

    Since Christie opposed same sex marriage in court (and only later decided to drop the appeal), I doubt he would endorse the concept - just keep mum on the subject. But with Chirstie's bridgegate scandal, he isn't going to be nominated. And the republicans are still too much controlled by the crazy fundie christians to nominate anyone moderate.
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    Apr 07, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
    creature said
    turtleneckjock said
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    creature said.


    Since we're on the subject of Florida, I don't quite understand how in the recent special election that a majority of the citizens elected a former lobbyist, Republican David Jolly, to go and fix what's broken in Washington. I really don't understand some voters.

    Most voters are really dumb - don't vote in their self interest. Some voters are dumber than others,
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    Apr 09, 2014 3:14 AM GMT
    Suetonius said
    creature said
    turtleneckjock said
    creature said
    turtleneckjock said
    creature said.


    Since we're on the subject of Florida, I don't quite understand how in the recent special election that a majority of the citizens elected a former lobbyist, Republican David Jolly, to go and fix what's broken in Washington. I really don't understand some voters.

    Most voters are really dumb - don't vote in their self interest. Some voters are dumber than others,


    And that's the problem. I hope the Democrats do a good job at getting their message across. The minimum wage and equal pay for women ought to help get out the votes.