Obamacare health reform rises from the ashes

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    Apr 06, 2014 9:56 AM GMT
    The President's unpopular healthcare policy is finally finding favour – much to the hysteria of the Republicans

    Whisper it not, but the beleaguered Barack Obama may have a success on his hands, in a distinctly unexpected quarter. Remember Obamacare, his health reform approved by Congress in March 2010 amid much contention and without a single Republican vote? It now looks as if it's going to work, after all.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/obamacare-health-reform-rises-from-the-ashes-9241040.html

    Interesting piece.
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    Apr 06, 2014 1:08 PM GMT
    Reallyicon_question.gif Than why are so many Americans having a hard time getting onto Obamacare websitesicon_question.gif Why is it such a bureaucratic boondoggleicon_question.gif
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    Apr 06, 2014 1:16 PM GMT
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/04/06/dems_wise_to_flee_the_coming_tsunami_122190.html
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    Apr 06, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidReallyicon_question.gif Than why are so many Americans having a hard time getting onto Obamacare websitesicon_question.gif Why is it such a bureaucratic boondoggleicon_question.gif


    To quote the article:

    If you set out to build a healthcare system from scratch, the Obama reforms are the last way you would go. Ideally, this president would almost certainly have preferred some form of government-run single-payer system. But he wasn't building a system from scratch; he was seeking to modify one that, in 2012, represented 17 per cent of the national economy – or $2.8trn, more than Britain's entire GDP – and with vested interests to match. So he kept the existing structure of employer-based coverage and for-profit insurance companies and hospitals, abandoning early on any notion of a government-run "public option" to compete with private insurers.
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    Apr 06, 2014 1:44 PM GMT
    Ha what a joke.

    "Last fall, health insurers began canceling the policies of about 4.7 million of Americans that were not in compliance with Obamacare regulations." http://wallstcheatsheet.com/politics/who-are-obamacares-7-million-enrollees.html/?a=viewall

    The 7 million number is bogus- 2/3rds were just people signing back up after losing insurance they already had. Only three million tops were newly insured. Given that there were an estimated 42 million uninsured before the bill passed, that's a 7% signup rate for something required by law.
  • musclpa

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    Apr 06, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
    My insurance went up and so did a lot of my friends insurances. Just another incentive in this country to live off the system and let someone else foot the bill. I say hands off my health care. Face it nothing the US government controls runs well.
  • jock_1

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    Apr 06, 2014 3:17 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe President's unpopular healthcare policy is finally finding favour – much to the hysteria of the Republicans

    Whisper it not, but the beleaguered Barack Obama may have a success on his hands, in a distinctly unexpected quarter. Remember Obamacare, his health reform approved by Congress in March 2010 amid much contention and without a single Republican vote? It now looks as if it's going to work, after all.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/obamacare-health-reform-rises-from-the-ashes-9241040.html

    Interesting piece.


    The President's unpopular healthcare policy .

    You couldn't have said it better, Exactly who is it finding favour with? Those who had perfectly good plans taken away from them now having to pay more? Not being able to see the doctor you have had for years because he is not in the exchange? Finding out you have to pay more for co-pays and deductibles than Obama promised? Making the youngest most healthy people which cant afford it in the first place pay more to carry the burden for those who cant pay? No, this policy is only helping those who need subsidies to buy it in the first place and many more are now suffering for it.

    What they should have done is give everyone without insurance a 10k insurance card/voucher/policy, then any max out of pocket expense would be no issue, but instead we are paying far more for a policy that is doomed for failure. It's not a republican/democrat thing like you make it out to be. Its an America thing which we must solve together but Harry Ried wont bring any republican ideas to a vote so until things change Obamacare is stuck in the mud.
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    Apr 06, 2014 3:24 PM GMT
    I heard this, and I was all

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  • a303guy

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    Apr 06, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    My opinion.

    I've been without any healthcare since my previous employer went out of business in the crash of 08. I've tried getting my own insurance (pre ACA) and simply couldn't afford it - $500+ per month for even the most basic coverage was simply out of my range - I make about $30K a year

    As of Jan 01, I now have a 'bronze' package - still simple, base level coverage, but at just $208 a month. I can now get my prescription meds at a decent rate, see a doctor when I need to, (and not have to worry about not being able to pay the co-pay) and, in a nutshell, relax and start enjoying life a little.

    You guys can go ahead a hate me, the ACA or Obama all you like, but the simple fact is, I now have insurance, that I'm glad to be able to pay for. And I'm most certainly not the only one experiencing the same.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 06, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
    Very pleased to hear the program is back on schedule. Maybe with some "tweeking" it can be improved. It isn't perfect, but an improvement, certainly.
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    Apr 06, 2014 3:34 PM GMT
    adammm saidHa what a joke.

    "Last fall, health insurers began canceling the policies of about 4.7 million of Americans that were not in compliance with Obamacare regulations." http://wallstcheatsheet.com/politics/who-are-obamacares-7-million-enrollees.html/?a=viewall

    The 7 million number is bogus- 2/3rds were just people signing back up after losing insurance they already had. Only three million tops were newly insured. Given that there were an estimated 42 million uninsured before the bill passed, that's a 7% signup rate for something required by law.


    And it also seems that the net effect is 3 million LESS people insured now. Holy shi'ite, dudes.
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    Apr 06, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    a303guy saidMy opinion.

    I've been without any healthcare since my previous employer went out of business in the crash of 08. I've tried getting my own insurance (pre ACA) and simply couldn't afford it - $500+ per month for even the most basic coverage was simply out of my range - I make about $30K a year

    As of Jan 01, I now have a 'bronze' package - still simple, base level coverage, but at just $208 a month. I can now get my prescription meds at a decent rate, see a doctor when I need to, (and not have to worry about not being able to pay the co-pay) and, in a nutshell, relax and start enjoying life a little.

    You guys can go ahead a hate me, the ACA or Obama all you like, but the simple fact is, I now have insurance, that I'm glad to be able to pay for. And I'm most certainly not the only one experiencing the same.


    These are the stories the GOP doesn't want getting out. You'd had it before so you understood what having it means for improving your life but they're terrified of people getting health insurance and finding out that it lets you do SO much more with your life when you don't have to worry about a single night in the hospital running up an insurmountable debt. People get mad and say its just another expense they're going to have to plug into their budget but actually they're looking at their "budget" the wrong way. Maybe that $500/mo note/lease payment on that luxury car could be swapped for a $230/mo one on a VERY nice Hyundai that even gets better mileage (and takes 87 octane). Too many people in this country just need to be told "No".

    and to everyone who is whining that the system is broken and will never work, do a little research on the original implementation of Social Security. Nothing this big ever hits a home run its first time up to bat
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    Apr 06, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    RoadsterRacer87 saidand to everyone who is whining that the system is broken and will never work, do a little research on the original implementation of Social Security. Nothing this big ever hits a home run its first time up to bat

    They won't, because they don't care and it's beside the point. The hatred of the ACA is for three reasons: 1) Obama must be denied a "success" at all costs, 2) the program's success puts the lie to the right-wing gospel that "big government can't do anything right", because of course it can and has and is doing so again, and 3) "socialism", whatever that means today. They generally use the term just to mean "whatever pisses me off at the moment".
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    Apr 06, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    Yes, no one dislikes it for any personal belief about the constraint of government or because they actually do believe it's a bad policy.

    Secretly we all know that this is gold but need something to bitch about for whatever reason.

    It's all well, we'll see what premiums look like for next year (not until midterms pass so democrats are extra safe).

    Then we'll see the same poor management as medicaid and then the consolidation of insurance companies.

    Finally, people will complain about the rich getting even richer despite ignoring that the money the government gives to the poor end up going to corps owned by those they tax.

    Then the Dems will say, let there be single payer!

    And so marks the creation of the Soviet States of America!
  • thadjock

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    Apr 06, 2014 5:31 PM GMT
    I voted for Obama 2x and consider myself a social liberal, but the ACA has not risen from the ashes, the numbers of sign-ups are all soft, and very few are newly insured. they're spinning the crap out of this embarassing disaster and Obama's a snake oil salesman on this toxic policy.

    Nobody has gotten the bill ($$$) for this yet, the insurance companies will set the rates for everybody's premiums AFTER they know the hard numbers, and i guarantee premiums WILL GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY. i'm a healthy single male with no preexisting conditions or prescription drugs and mine will double when my existing policy is no longer legal (gee, thanks for the 1 yr extension though)

    you can't spin the math on this, SOMEBODY has to pay for all those who were uninsurable before, and those who can't afford it now. and it isn't going to be the insurance companies. this was obvious from the start but instead everybody's focused on website glitches.....

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    Apr 06, 2014 5:36 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidReallyicon_question.gif Than why are so many Americans having a hard time getting onto Obamacare websitesicon_question.gif Why is it such a bureaucratic boondoggleicon_question.gif


    Time to start asking how many, and which Republicans are using the benefits of the ACA, yet still complain about it publicly.
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    Apr 06, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    BROTIE saidYes, no one dislikes it for any personal belief about the constraint of government or because they actually do believe it's a bad policy.

    Secretly we all know that this is gold but need something to bitch about for whatever reason.

    It's all well, we'll see what premiums look like for next year (not until midterms pass so democrats are extra safe).

    Then we'll see the same poor management as medicaid and then the consolidation of insurance companies.

    Finally, people will complain about the rich getting even richer despite ignoring that the money the government gives to the poor end up going to corps owned by those they tax.

    Then the Dems will say, let there be single payer!

    And so marks the creation of the Soviet States of America!

    Wow, you really are a crypto-Nazi. No wonder you're a frat boy.
  • sportsjockla

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    Apr 06, 2014 6:16 PM GMT
    Republicans ONLY Interest is to Make Obama the Failure that they are. Nothing FEARS Republicans more then Obama success. Anyone that actually believes GOP "CARES" about American people is a fool!
  • mybud

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    Apr 06, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    Thank God for Obamacare.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 06, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    The Washington Post reported the real numbers of people getting healthcare through Obamacare will be closer to 14 million, if you include the people who have access to Medicaid through Obamacare and the millions of college-age young people who are now allowed to stay on their parents' plans.

    The GOP has painted itself into a corner again... their publicly-stated number one goal is to repeal Obamacare and eliminate healthcare for millions of Americans. Who would vote for this?
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    Apr 06, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    I got the top-tier plan (is it called Platinum? I'm not a metallurgist). Much less expensive than the health-care plan my husband had, and he had a $5000 deductible. His premiums went up a little, but his deductible (and mine) are $0.

    Fucking socialism. Oh, right, it's not.
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    Apr 06, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI got the top-tier plan (is it called Platinum? I'm not a metallurgist). Much less expensive than the health-care plan my husband had, and he had a $5000 deductible. His premiums went up a little, but his deductible (and mine) are $0.

    Fucking socialism. Oh, right, it's not.


    exactly. I love how the GOP and right-wing conservatives toss around the "S" word like its still the 1940s and people are worried about Communists in Hollywood. Somehow they've managed to convince people that "Socialist" is the same as "Communist" which of course is a huge no-no for an American, yeesh.
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    Apr 06, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
    Its a never ending disaster that will just implode in the near future.
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    Apr 07, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    Fool's gold and a false phoenix all at once. Back to the crucible for this one; alchemy never worked.
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    Apr 07, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
    Most people don't buy their insurance they get it thru their employers. So their options about Obamacare don't count . When you are self employed its a different matter. Obamacare is totally unaffordable for a single, old , working class man .