What is your proof that there is a god and an afterlife?

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    Apr 07, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
    And what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?

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    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    1.There is no evidence.

    2.The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    3.There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    4.Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    5.Prayers are never answered.

    6.If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?


    First of all.. Sorry to tag them with numbers... I just wanted to keep track.

    1. Perhaps, but I know many Indian holy men... Just by taking with them or listening to their teachings will feel like it's a miracle. However if miracle is a subjective opinion...it probably is

    2. How can it be otherwise... there are things that are occurring beyond human comprehension and are still recognized by scientific community... Like the path and shape of an electron; black holes etc.

    3. I've mentioned this before in another thread... I'll look up and we'll paste it here later.

    4. What? I didn't get it.

    5. If you pray sincerely without ego involving in it, I'm sure your prayers be answered. However, if you're an atheist... That's fine, you just have to put faith in yourself and pray/talk to yourself without any ego.

    6. this is an interesting question.
    Why did he created Lucifer? Hmm... well, I sometimes wonder why creating in the first place... you, me, everyone and everything. And yet we can't imagine this question without being into existence and having its awareness of existence. Our thoughts then turn into Oxymoron. Right?

    The way I see it, we have to find out why we were created in the first place, then it'll give the answer to our question of 'why did god created Lucifer'. Seeing The 'self' face to face will answer is all our questions, that's what some Hindu saints emphasize and teaches to their followers.
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    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    1.There is no evidence.

    2.The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    3.There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    4.Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    5.Prayers are never answered.

    6.If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?


    First of all.. Sorry to tag them with numbers... I just wanted to keep track.

    1. Perhaps, but I know many Indian holy men... Just by taking with them or listening to their teachings will feel like it's a miracle. However if miracle is a subjective opinion...it probably is

    2. How can it be otherwise... there are things that are occurring beyond human comprehension and are still recognized by scientific community... Like the path and shape of an electron; black holes etc.

    3. I've mentioned this before in another thread... I'll look up and we'll paste it here later.

    4. What? I didn't get it.

    5. If you pray sincerely without ego involving in it, I'm sure your prayers be answered. However, if you're an atheist... That's fine, you just have to put faith in yourself and pray/talk to yourself without any ego.

    6. this is an interesting question.
    Why did he created Lucifer? Hmm... well, I sometimes wonder why creating in the first place... you, me, everyone and everything. And yet we can't imagine this question without being into existence and having its awareness of existence. Our thoughts then turn into Oxymoron. Right?

    The way I see it, we have to find out why we were created in the first place, then it'll give the answer to our question of 'why did god created Lucifer'. Seeing The 'self' face to face will answer is all our questions, that's what some Hindu saints emphasize and teaches to their followers.


    Interesting. I've never met a Hindu before.
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    Apr 07, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    You oversimplified everything..First of, the concept of evidence works only in closed and 'simple' systems, like math. In math you can prove stuff, in chemistry not so easy.. I won't even ask you about evidence, but just- how did science explain life?

    Concepts are here to enhance our way to think and imagine. Concept can be logical and still not functioning, and it can be so complex that it's too hard to even see it, but it still functions. I could describe you one very good concept that matter doesn't exists at all, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong.

    You're using the plural- religions- but you seem to think only about Christianity.. I really can't see where did Greek mythology made a great impact on Christianity.. Buddhism might have made a far greater influence but in some sort of theistic fusion..I did study quite a lot Egyptian, Greek mythology, and Christianity. They are all really diverse (Bible is very interesting book, old testament is a collection of various texts, some beautiful and some not; with god being jealous cruel bastard, and in new testament god softens and becomes merciful).

    There is one thing that (most if not all) religions do have in common, and that is power-control-money-influence.. But organized religion have as much in common with god as new testament has with pope, bishops and Christianity (old testament is far more interesting than the new one.. but still, new t. made a reset and the old one is left as a collection of stories that shouldn't be taken literally).

    Anyway, i have to stop somewhere and i choose here ;)
    Here's just one thing i don't understand, did you pose these questions to start some polemic with possibility of mutual learning, or you just wanted to state your reasons for not believing in god?
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    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    You oversimplified everything..First of, the concept of evidence works only in closed and 'simple' systems, like math. In math you can prove stuff, in chemistry not so easy.. I won't even ask you about evidence, but just- how did science explain life?

    Concepts are here to enhance our way to think and imagine. Concept can be logical and still not functioning, and it can be so complex that it's too hard to even see it, but it still functions. I could describe you one very good concept that matter doesn't exists at all, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong.

    You're using the plural- religions- but you seem to think only about Christianity.. I really can't see where did Greek mythology made a great impact on Christianity.. Buddhism might have made a far greater influence but in some sort of theistic fusion..I did study quite a lot Egyptian, Greek mythology, and Christianity. They are all really diverse (Bible is very interesting book, old testament is a collection of various texts, some beautiful and some not; with god being jealous cruel bastard, and in new testament god softens and becomes merciful).

    There is one thing that (most if not all) religions do have in common, and that is power-control-money-influence.. But organized religion have as much in common with god as new testament has with pope, bishops and Christianity (old testament is far more interesting than the new one.. but still, new t. made a reset and the old one is left as a collection of stories that shouldn't be taken literally).

    Anyway, i have to stop somewhere and i choose here ;)
    Here's just one thing i don't understand, did you pose these questions to start some polemic with possibility of mutual learning, or you just wanted to state your reasons for not believing in god?


    The Book of Revelation is very reminiscent to the Battle of the Titans and Ragnarok. Also, a lot of gods had a son that would save the world. Odin- Thor, Zeus-Hercules for example. The Noah's Ark story is not unique either. There is the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the same story. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but they're not entitled to their own facts.
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    Apr 07, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
    For what it's worth, I don't believe in god or afterlife, but:

    Xavier92There is no evidence.


    The flip side of this statement is that there is no evidence that it doesn't exit. Works both ways.
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    th3ro saidFor what it's worth, I don't believe in god or afterlife, but:

    Xavier92There is no evidence.


    The flip side of this statement is that there is no evidence that it doesn't exit. Works both ways.


    The evidence that there is no god or afterlife is that there is no evidence at all. Can't we say the same thing with all negatives? LIke ghosts or fairies? It's just logic.
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    Apr 07, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    Xavier92 said
    aax_aax_aax said
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    You oversimplified everything..First of, the concept of evidence works only in closed and 'simple' systems, like math. In math you can prove stuff, in chemistry not so easy.. I won't even ask you about evidence, but just- how did science explain life?

    Concepts are here to enhance our way to think and imagine. Concept can be logical and still not functioning, and it can be so complex that it's too hard to even see it, but it still functions. I could describe you one very good concept that matter doesn't exists at all, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong.

    You're using the plural- religions- but you seem to think only about Christianity.. I really can't see where did Greek mythology made a great impact on Christianity.. Buddhism might have made a far greater influence but in some sort of theistic fusion..I did study quite a lot Egyptian, Greek mythology, and Christianity. They are all really diverse (Bible is very interesting book, old testament is a collection of various texts, some beautiful and some not; with god being jealous cruel bastard, and in new testament god softens and becomes merciful).

    There is one thing that (most if not all) religions do have in common, and that is power-control-money-influence.. But organized religion have as much in common with god as new testament has with pope, bishops and Christianity (old testament is far more interesting than the new one.. but still, new t. made a reset and the old one is left as a collection of stories that shouldn't be taken literally).

    Anyway, i have to stop somewhere and i choose here ;)
    Here's just one thing i don't understand, did you pose these questions to start some polemic with possibility of mutual learning, or you just wanted to state your reasons for not believing in god?


    The Book of Revelation is very reminiscent to the Battle of the Titans and Ragnarok. Also, a lot of gods had a son that would save the world. Odin- Thor, Zeus-Hercules for example. The Noah's Ark story is not unique either. There is the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the same story. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but they're not entitled to their own facts.


    Isn't Nordic mythology far newer than bible? I don't know much about Odin-Thor.. But i really don't see any significant similarity of Zeus-Hercules with father-son in bible..
    Since Christianity didn't exist before Christ, only the new testament is written after as a part of new religion, and old testament is collection of old texts and stories! Noah's Arc (and some other stories) weren't influenced by other stories, they were included in bible.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but seeking evidence for either (existence/non existence of god) seems childish.
    The same with afterlife.. Biblical view seems naive, Buddhist is far better.. But how would you measure it? And can science help you there? After Einstein we all know that time isn't a constant, but can we really embrace it? Still counting years the same way..
    And i'm interested- what is your opinion, how was life created (maybe created is not a good word but i can't think of better one at the moment, sorry for my English)?
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    Hey there. I've asked myself most of those questions before. Took a long time, painstakingly unclear answers from both religion and science, and years of confusion on the matter. Eventually though, i met someone who gave me a few books to read and they totally gave me what i needed. So to answer just a bit from what i've read, yes there is a God. Thing is, we're humans, with limited senses and abilities trying to categorically prove or disprove everything with natural/conventional science. While that works well in concepts of physics and other areas, on a spiritual level it wouldnt do well because we dont have the right spiritual knowledge or even "apparatus" if you will to answer that question? So being humans, having limited senses and abilities, empirically we cant "prove" that God exists. At least not with the approach we have today. Although, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means we have the wrong ideas about where to search and how to approach things. That being said, i just wanna introduce the books of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada to you, specifically the ones titled "Veda: Secrets of the East" aswell as "The Science of Self Realization". Both explain in an astoundingly clear, scientific and concise way how the "Self" (Soul/individual consciousness) is related to God who is the Supreme Self. Basically, we have the soul (our true identity and link to God) covered in a physical body which will be born, age, be subject to injury or disease, and eventually die. But because of our own ego, we misidentify and think we are our bodies, forgetting our real identity, the soul within. Thats when we start losing our identity, our egos lead us into believing there is no God or "we are God", all which just makes us focus on the physical and temporary, instead of the eternal happiness of devotion to God. In essence, we can prove God exists, not with tubes and charts, nor even blindly following dogma. We can get the proof we need, by serving and loving God in true devotion, and learning to get rid of the ego so we can really hear and understand God. I dunno, im not really much of a "scholar" or "intellectual", so im not sure if you follow my long post, but once again i'l recommend those books. They do a much better job than i ever could. icon_smile.gif
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    aax_aax_aax said
    Xavier92 said
    aax_aax_aax said
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    You oversimplified everything..First of, the concept of evidence works only in closed and 'simple' systems, like math. In math you can prove stuff, in chemistry not so easy.. I won't even ask you about evidence, but just- how did science explain life?

    Concepts are here to enhance our way to think and imagine. Concept can be logical and still not functioning, and it can be so complex that it's too hard to even see it, but it still functions. I could describe you one very good concept that matter doesn't exists at all, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong.

    You're using the plural- religions- but you seem to think only about Christianity.. I really can't see where did Greek mythology made a great impact on Christianity.. Buddhism might have made a far greater influence but in some sort of theistic fusion..I did study quite a lot Egyptian, Greek mythology, and Christianity. They are all really diverse (Bible is very interesting book, old testament is a collection of various texts, some beautiful and some not; with god being jealous cruel bastard, and in new testament god softens and becomes merciful).

    There is one thing that (most if not all) religions do have in common, and that is power-control-money-influence.. But organized religion have as much in common with god as new testament has with pope, bishops and Christianity (old testament is far more interesting than the new one.. but still, new t. made a reset and the old one is left as a collection of stories that shouldn't be taken literally).

    Anyway, i have to stop somewhere and i choose here ;)
    Here's just one thing i don't understand, did you pose these questions to start some polemic with possibility of mutual learning, or you just wanted to state your reasons for not believing in god?


    The Book of Revelation is very reminiscent to the Battle of the Titans and Ragnarok. Also, a lot of gods had a son that would save the world. Odin- Thor, Zeus-Hercules for example. The Noah's Ark story is not unique either. There is the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the same story. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but they're not entitled to their own facts.


    Isn't Nordic mythology far newer than bible? I don't know much about Odin-Thor.. But i really don't see any significant similarity of Zeus-Hercules with father-son in bible..
    Since Christianity didn't exist before Christ, only the new testament is written after as a part of new religion, and old testament is collection of old texts and stories! Noah's Arc (and some other stories) weren't influenced by other stories, they were included in bible.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but seeking evidence for either (existence/non existence of god) seems childish.
    The same with afterlife.. Biblical view seems naive, Buddhist is far better.. But how would you measure it? And can science help you there? After Einstein we all know that time isn't a constant, but can we really embrace it? Still counting years the same way..
    And i'm interested- what is your opinion, how was life created (maybe created is not a good word but i can't think of better one at the moment, sorry for my English)?


    Norse myths are older than Christianity. Many things from Christianity were taken from paganism. Also, seeking evidence for non existence of god is not necessary. There is no evidence. Period.
  • MikeW

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    Apr 08, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidInteresting. I've never met a Hindu before.

    IMO, Hinduism is a religion worth looking into. It has lots of layers to it. The trick, as with all religions, is to look for the meaning beneath the symbolism. Yes, there are various deities, all imitating from the one: Para Brahman or Lord Vishnu. At least that is one school's opinion. There are many schools. In any case, what is a "Devine Being" anyway? Is it an entity that is alive in some sense of the word? Is it a cosmic principal? Both? Neither?

    I know you probably hate the Beatles, Xavier, but I love this song. George Harrison's interpretation of "Hinduism"….



    "The farther one travels…. the less one knows…." haha

    ETA: Vishnu is just so awesome! Now *this* is the manifestation of a Deity I can appreciate:

    Hindu-God+Vishnu+image.jpg

    And Krishna is kinda cute:

    krishna342x360.jpg
  • jayrogers

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    Apr 08, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    I'm more agnostic than anything else, so I'm not a good apologist for God.

    However, I believe it's very possible there is a God.

    I have a high IQ, so I don't believe it because I'm stupid.

    I also don't believe it because I'm too scared of my own mortality.

    You said yourself, there are many religions. Most people believe in a God.

    Why would evolution, a supposedly unthinking process, develop a creature so susceptible to believing in both a higher power and a plan/narrative to life?

    The human brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It's a little bit arrogant to believe that we, the most complex things in the universe, came out of an accidental process.

    I liken life to a type of advanced video game/artificial intelligence.

    Say we one day create an artificial intelligence that becomes self aware. What if we stored it within a system that offered it absolutely no ability to perceive the world outside of the system we stored it in?

    The being is only going to know whatever world we created it within, having little idea of how it got there in the first place.

    Similarly, we only have a rough idea of how our universe started, but beyond that we don't really know where the matter/material came from.

    Evolution to me, seems like a type of programming, designed to different things in order to sustain life.

    Hell, if you've ever watched the miniseries "Life", you know that male bowerbirds build decorative nests using various materials, and their prospective female mate picks her mate based on which she finds most appealing.

    That just seems like a lot of random, complicated shit for an unthinking, inanimate process to create.

    I don't blame anyone for doubting the existence of God, but I just think it's far too closed minded to say there's no God.
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:48 AM GMT
    Ask someone who had a 'near death experience'. They are more than convinced their is life after death.
  • MikeW

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    Apr 08, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
    VetBoi17 saidHey there. I've asked myself most of those questions before. Took a long time, painstakingly unclear answers from both religion and science, and years of confusion on the matter. Eventually though, i met someone who gave me a few books to read and they totally gave me what i needed. So to answer just a bit from what i've read, yes there is a God. Thing is, we're humans, with limited senses and abilities trying to categorically prove or disprove everything with natural/conventional science. While that works well in concepts of physics and other areas, on a spiritual level it wouldnt do well because we dont have the right spiritual knowledge or even "apparatus" if you will to answer that question? So being humans, having limited senses and abilities, empirically we cant "prove" that God exists. At least not with the approach we have today. Although, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means we have the wrong ideas about where to search and how to approach things. That being said, i just wanna introduce the books of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada to you, specifically the ones titled "Veda: Secrets of the East" aswell as "The Science of Self Realization". Both explain in an astoundingly clear, scientific and concise way how the "Self" (Soul/individual consciousness) is related to God who is the Supreme Self. Basically, we have the soul (our true identity and link to God) covered in a physical body which will be born, age, be subject to injury or disease, and eventually die. But because of our own ego, we misidentify and think we are our bodies, forgetting our real identity, the soul within. Thats when we start losing our identity, our egos lead us into believing there is no God or "we are God", all which just makes us focus on the physical and temporary, instead of the eternal happiness of devotion to God. In essence, we can prove God exists, not with tubes and charts, nor even blindly following dogma. We can get the proof we need, by serving and loving God in true devotion, and learning to get rid of the ego so we can really hear and understand God. I dunno, im not really much of a "scholar" or "intellectual", so im not sure if you follow my long post, but once again i'l recommend those books. They do a much better job than i ever could. icon_smile.gif
    Beautifully said, VetBoi. I haven't read these particular books but I've read lots of others relating to these subjects. Yes, *consciousness* is where it's at!
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    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    I'm more agnostic than anything else, so I'm not a good apologist for God.

    However, I believe it's very possible there is a God.

    I have a high IQ, so I don't believe it because I'm stupid.

    I also don't believe it because I'm too scared of my own mortality.

    You said yourself, there are many religions. Most people believe in a God.

    Why would evolution, a supposedly unthinking process, develop a creature so susceptible to believing in both a higher power and a plan/narrative to life?

    The human brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It's a little bit arrogant to believe that we, the most complex things in the universe, came out of an accidental process.

    I liken life to a type of advanced video game/artificial intelligence.

    Say we one day create an artificial intelligence that becomes self aware. What if we stored it within a system that offered it absolutely no ability to perceive the world outside of the system we stored it in?

    The being is only going to know whatever world we created it within, having little idea of how it got there in the first place.

    Similarly, we only have a rough idea of how our universe started, but beyond that we don't really know where the matter/material came from.

    Evolution to me, seems like a type of programming, designed to different things in order to sustain life.

    Hell, if you've ever watched the miniseries "Life", you know that male bowerbirds build decorative nests using various materials, and their prospective female mate picks her mate based on which she finds most appealing.

    That just seems like a lot of random, complicated shit for an unthinking, inanimate process to create.

    I don't blame anyone for doubting the existence of God, but I just think it's far too closed minded to say there's no God.


    The human brain didn't appear out of nowhere. It was along process. We started becoming intelligent when our ancestors started discovering things like fire, sequence of sounds that would later be called music, paintings, etc. Also, complexity in life doesn't imply a creator. The human body has flaws.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 08, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    here's the proof

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  • jayrogers

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    Apr 08, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    Xavier92 said
    jayrogers said
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    I'm more agnostic than anything else, so I'm not a good apologist for God.

    However, I believe it's very possible there is a God.

    I have a high IQ, so I don't believe it because I'm stupid.

    I also don't believe it because I'm too scared of my own mortality.

    You said yourself, there are many religions. Most people believe in a God.

    Why would evolution, a supposedly unthinking process, develop a creature so susceptible to believing in both a higher power and a plan/narrative to life?

    The human brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It's a little bit arrogant to believe that we, the most complex things in the universe, came out of an accidental process.

    I liken life to a type of advanced video game/artificial intelligence.

    Say we one day create an artificial intelligence that becomes self aware. What if we stored it within a system that offered it absolutely no ability to perceive the world outside of the system we stored it in?

    The being is only going to know whatever world we created it within, having little idea of how it got there in the first place.

    Similarly, we only have a rough idea of how our universe started, but beyond that we don't really know where the matter/material came from.

    Evolution to me, seems like a type of programming, designed to different things in order to sustain life.

    Hell, if you've ever watched the miniseries "Life", you know that male bowerbirds build decorative nests using various materials, and their prospective female mate picks her mate based on which she finds most appealing.

    That just seems like a lot of random, complicated shit for an unthinking, inanimate process to create.

    I don't blame anyone for doubting the existence of God, but I just think it's far too closed minded to say there's no God.


    The human brain didn't appear out of nowhere. It was along process. We started becoming intelligent when our ancestors started discovering things like fire, sequence of sounds that would later be called music, paintings, etc. Also, complexity in life doesn't imply a creator. The human body has flaws.


    I never said we were perfect. And we didn't create our own intelligence; we always had to have a developing capacity for it.

    On your profile in your list of things you hate you list religion, so obviously you aren't unbiased or open-minded toward the subject.
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    Apr 08, 2014 1:32 AM GMT
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    Xavier92 said
    jayrogers said
    Xavier92 saidAnd what makes you think your god is the right one? And if it is faith based then doesn't that mean that it's just an opinion?

    I don't believe in god because:

    There is no evidence.

    The concept of god and afterlife defies logic.

    There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    Religions are essentially the same thing. Abrahamic religions are influenced by Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian mythology.

    Prayers are never answered.

    If god knows everything, he is perfect and created everything, why did he create Lucifer?



    I'm more agnostic than anything else, so I'm not a good apologist for God.

    However, I believe it's very possible there is a God.

    I have a high IQ, so I don't believe it because I'm stupid.

    I also don't believe it because I'm too scared of my own mortality.

    You said yourself, there are many religions. Most people believe in a God.

    Why would evolution, a supposedly unthinking process, develop a creature so susceptible to believing in both a higher power and a plan/narrative to life?

    The human brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It's a little bit arrogant to believe that we, the most complex things in the universe, came out of an accidental process.

    I liken life to a type of advanced video game/artificial intelligence.

    Say we one day create an artificial intelligence that becomes self aware. What if we stored it within a system that offered it absolutely no ability to perceive the world outside of the system we stored it in?

    The being is only going to know whatever world we created it within, having little idea of how it got there in the first place.

    Similarly, we only have a rough idea of how our universe started, but beyond that we don't really know where the matter/material came from.

    Evolution to me, seems like a type of programming, designed to different things in order to sustain life.

    Hell, if you've ever watched the miniseries "Life", you know that male bowerbirds build decorative nests using various materials, and their prospective female mate picks her mate based on which she finds most appealing.

    That just seems like a lot of random, complicated shit for an unthinking, inanimate process to create.

    I don't blame anyone for doubting the existence of God, but I just think it's far too closed minded to say there's no God.


    The human brain didn't appear out of nowhere. It was along process. We started becoming intelligent when our ancestors started discovering things like fire, sequence of sounds that would later be called music, paintings, etc. Also, complexity in life doesn't imply a creator. The human body has flaws.


    I never said we were perfect. And we didn't create our own intelligence; we always had to have a developing capacity for it.

    On your profile in your list of things you hate you list religion, so obviously you aren't unbiased or open-minded toward the subject.


    I'm flattered. You looked at my profile icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 08, 2014 1:37 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidXavier has been a member of this site for barely two months and has nearly 2,000 posts already?

    All these evidence threads wreak of troll bate.

    Well, he posts in almost every active thread 24/7/365.
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    Apr 08, 2014 2:07 AM GMT
    What's your proof that Chastity Bono is a "man"?
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    Jack_NNJ saidWhat's your proof that Chastity Bono is a "man"?


    He isn't a man. He's not even human.
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    Apr 08, 2014 2:11 AM GMT
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    Jack_NNJ saidWhat's your proof that Chastity Bono is a "man"?


    He isn't a man. He's not even human.


    Finally, someone gets it.
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    Apr 08, 2014 2:54 AM GMT
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    Xavier92 said
    3.There are too many religions. Approx. 5,000 gods have been worshipped throughout history.

    3. I've mentioned this before in another thread... I'll look up and we'll paste it here later.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3705726
    Check the last post in the 1st page.
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    Apr 15, 2014 6:47 AM GMT
    God is within yourself. afterlife are spirits which I have personally encountered since I have some psychic ability. There are both good and bad spirits just like in real life.
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    God is a symbol, as your thoughts are.

    Afterlife?
    Of course you will return. If you desire and in your terms.
    You don't need to fill an application for it. Once you leave your body you go back to your energy self and continue your journey.

    If you are lazy Now...there are little hopes for you. You will return and turn yourself inside-out to serve your needs. Our stay here is always a personal matter. Always will be that way.

    The creation as you experience it now, will not stop, you will expand... ALWAYS.

    Is all in your terms. Our job here is never done.

    As trivial as your God questions might be, If you struggle with this issue, you might experience some of it again, because is an unresolved issue.

    After death, there is contemplation on your experiences.
    You might have the same issues or move on.

    Like I said is your own personal learning experience, not a joint experience as we create now.