Matt Dooley: Inspiring "out" college tennis player, classy Notre Dame video.

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    Originally posted under Tennis. Probably has wider appeal.
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    Apr 07, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
    bonerific!
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    Apr 08, 2014 3:05 AM GMT
    Congrats to him!
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    Apr 08, 2014 8:29 AM GMT
    Seems Bonafide to me.....Now go and just live your life brother.
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    Invariably there will be people who don't understand why people need to come out and be honest about who they are.

    This young man clearly explains one of the main reasons that it is necessary. You cannot be the best you can be if you are actively concealing a part of your life from those around you.

    Relationships are necessary to be successful in life, and success in relationships begins with honesty.

    I wish him well in life. I can see he is off to a great start.
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:13 PM GMT
    Great for him . . . for himself his life and for the lives of many others like him struggling within themselves who'll gain inspiration and confidence from this. And CUTE! icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 09, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
    This is a really inspiring story and I'm glad Dooley has the support of his team mates.
    At the same time, I have to wonder why gay people choose to attend these church-affiliated schools that have policies treating gay people as "less than."
    Why would you support them with your money?
    Why would you add this additional layer of bullsh*t and drama to your life?
    Why would you choose to strengthen a bigoted institution with your talents and energies?
    Notre Dame is a Catholic University, and the Catholic church's official stance on gay people is that you have to live your life alone. These people want you to die alone. Why would you want to associate yourself with this in any way?
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    KissTheSky saidThis is a really inspiring story and I'm glad Dooley has the support of his team mates.
    At the same time, I have to wonder why gay people choose to attend these church-affiliated schools that have policies treating gay people as "less than."
    Why would you support them with your money?
    Why would you add this additional layer of bullsh*t and drama to your life?
    Why would you choose to strengthen a bigoted institution with your talents and energies?
    Notre Dame is a Catholic University, and the Catholic church's official stance on gay people is that you have to live your life alone. These people want you to die alone. Why would you want to associate yourself with this in any way?

    All true, but there are far more considerations, particularly when you're a closeted young man - to name a few that come immediately to mind,
    Scholarship for tuition
    Scholastic status of the U, and ND is one of the most respected
    Conformance to parents' aspirations/desires/choices for you that given your closeted status you can't fight (yet)
    The fact that you're still an individual and taking advantage of "the enemy" may be a sweet revenge
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    KissTheSky: This is a really inspiring story and I'm glad Dooley has the support of his team mates.
    At the same time, I have to wonder why gay people choose to attend these church-affiliated schools that have policies treating gay people as "less than."
    Why would you support them with your money?
    Why would you add this additional layer of bullsh*t and drama to your life?
    Why would you choose to strengthen a bigoted institution with your talents and energies?
    Notre Dame is a Catholic University, and the Catholic church's official stance on gay people is that you have to live your life alone. These people want you to die alone. Why would you want to associate yourself with this in any way?


    madsexy: All true, but there are far more considerations, particularly when you're a closeted young man - to name a few that come immediately to mind,
    Scholarship for tuition
    Scholastic status of the U, and ND is one of the most respected
    Conformance to parents' aspirations/desires/choices for you that given your closeted status you can't fight (yet)
    The fact that you're still an individual and taking advantage of "the enemy" may be a sweet revenge


    Good comments. The more militant response to this video is on display at the Advocate web site. Some of it is loathsome, in my opinion.

    The logical extension of the argument may be "why would a gay man consider being a Christian?" Being a Christian is the most important thing in life, in my opinion. And some gay Christians consider the Catholic Church as their spiritual "home," despite the difficulties. (Full disclosure: I attend a Catholic church.)

    One fascinating thing about this video is that it appears to be officially approved by Notre Dame, which indicates changing attitudes, caused by men like Matt Dooley.

    I think it's over-the-top to say that the Catholic Church wants gay men to "die alone."

    The official position of the Church probably is that gay men should be celibate. My response is "Good luck with that." Celibacy is honorable for those who choose it, but it's a very unrealistic and even an un-Biblical prescription for gay men, and men in general, in my opinion. Let he who has never had a wet dream or masturbated cast the first stone.

    In my experience Christians generally are not motivated to discriminate against gays and have little interest in what gays do in their bedrooms.

    Glad you guys enjoyed the video.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/gay_rights_an_unnecessary_battle.html
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    Apr 09, 2014 3:08 PM GMT
    jockfever saidKissTheSky: This is a really inspiring story and I'm glad Dooley has the support of his team mates.
    At the same time, I have to wonder why gay people choose to attend these church-affiliated schools that have policies treating gay people as "less than."
    Why would you support them with your money?
    Why would you add this additional layer of bullsh*t and drama to your life?
    Why would you choose to strengthen a bigoted institution with your talents and energies?
    Notre Dame is a Catholic University, and the Catholic church's official stance on gay people is that you have to live your life alone. These people want you to die alone. Why would you want to associate yourself with this in any way?


    madsexy: All true, but there are far more considerations, particularly when you're a closeted young man - to name a few that come immediately to mind,
    Scholarship for tuition
    Scholastic status of the U, and ND is one of the most respected
    Conformance to parents' aspirations/desires/choices for you that given your closeted status you can't fight (yet)
    The fact that you're still an individual and taking advantage of "the enemy" may be a sweet revenge


    Good comments. The more militant response to this video is on display at the Advocate web site. Some of it is loathsome, in my opinion.

    The logical extension of the argument may be "why would a gay man consider being a Christian?" Being a Christian is the most important thing in life, in my opinion. And some gay Christians consider the Catholic Church as their spiritual "home," despite the difficulties. (Full disclosure: I attend a Catholic church.)

    One fascinating thing about this video is that it appears to be officially approved by Notre Dame, which indicates changing attitudes, caused by men like Matt Dooley.

    I think it's over-the-top to say that the Catholic Church wants gay men to "die alone."

    The official position of the Church probably is that gay men should be celibate. My response is "Good luck with that." Celibacy is honorable for those who choose it, but it's a very unrealistic and even an un-Biblical prescription for gay men, and men in general, in my opinion. Let he who has never had a wet dream or masturbated cast the first stone.

    In my experience Christians generally are not motivated to discriminate against gays and have little interest in what gays do in their bedrooms.

    Glad you guys enjoyed the video.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/gay_rights_an_unnecessary_battle.html

    I don't disagree - I was simply staying within an area of very generic reasons, nothing topical, all typical.

    I usually stay out of the fray of political, religious and spiritual debates, but I will risk venturing my opinion on Celibacy and the Catholic Church. Celibacy was a construct by Church leaders to exercise control over the male Church hierarchy, which was "sold" to the (then) worldwide congregation as an expression of piety and confirmation of nearness-to-deity even, at the level of Pope. But it's anachronistic (as well as opportunistic and divisive) because the only "virginal" precedent was Mary (and I'm not addressing whether that was factual or not, simply that it is the existence of the single precedent). So to take the behavior of the "Mother of the Son of God" and apply it to male clergy, the logic fails. Did they expect that they, too, would be "available" in case God wanted another son? icon_rolleyes.gif

    It also, with ample empirical proof available, is an epically failed policy, with disastrous side-effects vis-à-vis the sexual misconduct scandals.

    So you'd THINK SOMEONE would THINK and figure out that another way to "maintain order" and demonstrate piety, much less to eradicate an obvious cause of frustration (it wasn't that the Church "attracted" a bunch of pervs into the Seminaries!), would be a icon_idea.gif .
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    jockie, this article is crap.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/gay_rights_an_unnecessary_battle.html

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    Apr 12, 2014 6:02 AM GMT
    meninlove, what parts of it specifically do you take issue with? I don't think the author is advocating for the stupid Arizona law, but the fact that intellectual honesty is preferred. He points out that the examples the lgbt community has used for what "could" happen, are highly unlikely. And I agree with him. Christians aren't being honest when they say that gays will ruin marriage, and gays aren't being honest when they say Christians will refuse hiv medication. Fear tactics on both sides need to stop in my opinion. Lets have honest dialogue instead.
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    CuriousGreg saidmeninlove, what parts of it specifically do you take issue with? I don't think the author is advocating for the stupid Arizona law, but the fact that intellectual honesty is preferred. He points out that the examples the lgbt community has used for what "could" happen, are highly unlikely. And I agree with him. Christians aren't being honest when they say that gays will ruin marriage, and gays aren't being honest when they say Christians will refuse hiv medication. Fear tactics on both sides need to stop in my opinion. Lets have honest dialogue instead.


    ....however, a considerable number of businesses, big ones, don't agree. So much so they threatened to pull out of States that were going for such laws.

    You already have cases in the US where some businesses have been refusing service to gays, States where gay people can be fired for no other reason than being gay (this has happened to two RJ members I know of), and housing denied. Bear in mind that this is not just about Christian faith, but religion, and there are many.
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    meninlove: jockie, this article is crap.

    CuriousGreg: meninlove, what parts of it specifically do you take issue with?...

    Good comment.

    Only the Left can dismiss a thoughtful, well-argued article with a four-letter word.

    Greene bolsters his arguments with examples. When you're a tolerant, broad-minded, compassionate, diversity-loving Lefty, you don't have to do that.

    This is rich coming from a guy who describes himself as a Christian with a small "c" (whatever the hell that is) and who says he is happily partnered with an atheist (presumably because they don't discuss things like belief systems -- really?).

    I am happy that a more disinterested RJ member responded before I give my two cents.

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    Chad Felix Greene is a gay Jewish guy who writes children's books.

    His article appears in American Thinker, one of the top three conservative sites on the 'Net with about 2.5 million views monthly. AT is well regarded (to borrow a phrase) because it does not publish "crap."

    Greene now has three articles published by AT. His first article triggered over 700 comments.

    Greene's argument that gay people have little to fear from Christians ties in nicely with Notre Dame's treatment of Matt Dooley.

    Contrast that with the Left's treatment of Brendan Eich, Mozilla's brilliant ex-president.

    The point is made rather well in this post:

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    While the gay Left vents its paranoia about American Christians, the Left actively persecutes them. While persecuting Christians, the Left treats radical Islam with respect and appeasement.

    The Dear Jerk in the White House is doing everything he can to undermine American defenses against Islamo-Nazism, which has a zero tolerance policy toward gays. The Boston Marathon bombing can be tied directly to the Dear Jerk's soft-on-jihad policies.

    As I've said before, the gay Left's support for the Dear Jerk is like being giddy about dining at the Captain's table -- on the Titanic.

    http://www.chadfelixgreene.com/blog.html

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    jockie cries, "This is rich coming from a guy who describes himself as a Christian with a small "c" (whatever the hell that is) and who says he is happily partnered with an atheist (presumably because they don't discuss things like belief systems -- really?)."

    As has been clearly explained in the past, the small c is a lesson in humility - something you could do with, as you have none. And yes, we're coming up on our 25th Anniversary this December. That you can't fathom an atheist and christian happily married, and having no problem with religious belief or lack of it says mountains about your backward thinking and lack of a good education.

    btw, this trite little personal attack is merely kind reciprocation, so lap it up like a good little bigot.

    ...and PS, as a christian, is is my right, and possibly even duty to call out the bigots that use my faith for their own agenda.

    Now have a lovely day.

    ...and yes the article is crap. I MIGHT be tempted to believe it if it was about Canada, but this is the US we're talking here, replete with jesusland and the nutbars that vote in it.




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    ...and here, jockie, this should inspire you:

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/peter-labarbera-demands-liberty-university-fire-openly-gay-choreographer
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    meninlove: As has been clearly explained in the past, the small c is a lesson in humility - something you could do with, as you have none. And yes, we're coming up on our 25th Anniversary this December. That you can't fathom an atheist and christian happily married, and having no problem with religious belief or lack of it says mountains about your backward thinking and lack of a good education. btw, this trite little personal attack is merely kind reciprocation, so lap it up like a good little bigot...and PS, as a christian, is is my right, and possibly even duty to call out the bigots that use my faith for their own agenda. Now have a lovely day. ...and yes the article is crap. I MIGHT be tempted to believe it if it was about Canada, but this is the US we're talking here, replete...

    One of the most despicable situations in all of world history is Christians fighting Christians. I do not like responding to your comments. I find your positions unconvincing and have no doubt that you find mine the same. The only thing worse than responding to comments like your "crap" accusation is not responding to them.

    I have enough humility to always capitalize the name of God, and similar words such as "Christian."

    How about proclaiming your humility by not capitalizing your own name, rather than demeaning all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?

    How about practicing your humility by not pretending to know more, about how a gay Jewish author in America is treated by Christians, than he does?

    How about practicing your humility by not pretending to be competent to dismiss an article by a gay Jewish author in America as "crap."

    Treat your own name like it's a mere nothing, if you like odd exercises in humility, instead of disrespecting the Son of God and those who believe in Him.

    Your personal/relationship life does not interest me, and after posting my above comment I was going to delete the references to your atheist connection, but unfortunately arrived at that decision too late.

    Still, you and your buddies arguably made that topic fair game by publishing you relationship details on this site.

    Relationships based on diametrically opposed worldviews are usually problematic, irrespective of my intellectually impoverished background.

    The Christian and atheist belief systems are incompatible.

    A relationship involves responding to problems and issues. Those responses are ultimately based on worldviews.

    A Christian seeks to honor God. The most clueless atheists regard that as superstitious nonsense.

    Paul advises Christians not to be “unequally yoked with non-believers” (2 Corinthians 6:14)

    I read the article you posted. Whether Liberty University keeps or lets go its "Mary Poppins" producer doesn't concern me a great deal.

    Whether Christian bakers can be forced to make gay wedding cakes, and whether black bakers can be forced to make KKK cakes, are bigger deals.

    The fact is: the Left in America, especially Obama and his accomplices, is using the gay issue like a battering ram to expand the state and destroy a civil society.

    Congrats to Mr. Greene on having another article published by American Thinker:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/conservatism_the_best_choice_a_gay_person_can_make.html
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    Apr 16, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
    lol, jockie, I smell desperation, and it's all yours.

    Go look in your soul's mirror, and look reaaaaaalllly hard and honestly. You and your ilk (and by ilk I do NOT mean other Catholics, as there are many fine ones)do more to damage or destroy others' faith in Christ and god than any atheist.

    Now let's examine a few of your artful lies today.

    you said, " The only thing worse than responding to comments like your "crap" accusation is not responding to them."

    The article is pure personal anecdote and crap.

    you said, " How about proclaiming your humility by not capitalizing your own name, rather than demeaning all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?"

    Christianity has much to answer to. If you really are a christian, rather than a power seeker you would know this. (but your are drawn to power, with your special prayer warriors and how 'some people are more important than others', like you which is why god answered YOUR prayers and cured you thanks to your prayer warriors ...OK now I'm feeling ill at remembering this crap of yours)

    you said, "Your personal/relationship life does not interest me, and after posting my above comment I was going to delete the references to your atheist connection, but unfortunately arrived at that decision too late.
    Still, you and your buddies arguably made that topic fair game by publishing you relationship details on this site."

    Well d'oh, of course we've told people and posted about our relationship. That you chose to try use it in some imagined insult (laughable) shows what kind of person YOU are. *grins*

    you said, "The Christian and atheist belief systems are incompatible."

    I'm still cracking up over this one. Atheists simply don't believe. A lot of them have a far more impressive set of ethics and compassion, love, and caring for their fellow man than scores of some kinds of christians.


    you said, "Whether Liberty University keeps or lets go its "Mary Poppins" producer doesn't concern me a great deal."

    ...and this last is EXACTLY why your posted article is crap and explains to all why you think it isn't. icon_lol.gif

    As for Paul, spare me the rhetoric. If you're going to wield that knife, then you're just cut yourself open, lusting after men and their feet. icon_lol.gif Just go ask Paul. icon_lol.gif

    You are a primitive christian; I am not. cheers!

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    Apr 16, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
    That's why friend's name.
    Exactly the same. lol

    Except he plays Hockey.
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    Apr 16, 2014 2:49 AM GMT
    meninlove said lol, jockie, I smell desperation, and it's all yours.

    Go look in your soul's mirror, and look reaaaaaalllly hard and honestly. You and your ilk (and by ilk I do NOT mean other Catholics, as there are many fine ones)do more to damage or destroy others' faith in Christ and god than any atheist.

    Now let's examine a few of your artful lies today.

    you said, " The only thing worse than responding to comments like your "crap" accusation is not responding to them."

    The article is pure personal anecdote and crap.

    you said, " How about proclaiming your humility by not capitalizing your own name, rather than demeaning all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?"

    Christianity has much to answer to. If you really are a christian, rather than a power seeker you would know this. (but your are drawn to power, with your special prayer warriors and how 'some people are more important than others', like you which is why god answered YOUR prayers and cured you thanks to your prayer warriors ...OK now I'm feeling ill at remembering this crap of yours)

    you said, "Your personal/relationship life does not interest me, and after posting my above comment I was going to delete the references to your atheist connection, but unfortunately arrived at that decision too late.
    Still, you and your buddies arguably made that topic fair game by publishing you relationship details on this site."

    Well d'oh, of course we've told people and posted about our relationship. That you chose to try use it in some imagined insult (laughable) shows what kind of person YOU are. *grins*

    you said, "The Christian and atheist belief systems are incompatible."

    I'm still cracking up over this one. Atheists simply don't believe. A lot of them have a far more impressive set of ethics and compassion, love, and caring for their fellow man than scores of some kinds of christians.


    you said, "Whether Liberty University keeps or lets go its "Mary Poppins" producer doesn't concern me a great deal."

    ...and this last is EXACTLY why your posted article is crap and explains to all why you think it isn't. icon_lol.gif

    As for Paul, spare me the rhetoric. If you're going to wield that knife, then you're just cut yourself open, lusting after men and their feet. icon_lol.gif Just go ask Paul. icon_lol.gif

    You are a primitive christian; I am not. cheers!



    At meninlove, I'm not trying to pick a fight/argue here. I have a legitimate question. You say that a christian/atheist relationship can work, but I don't understand how you as a christian, who believes in hell, can be ok with your significant other going to hell, based on the fact that he does not believe in Christ as his lord and savior. Just interested to hear your viewpoint. Do you not think of the afterlife, or do you just believe an atheist will go to heaven? Hope I didn't offend.
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    Hi Floridaguy, you're not picking a fight, offending or anything else. I'm happy to oblige you and share.

    ' You say that a christian/atheist relationship can work, but I don't understand how you as a christian, who believes in hell, can be ok with your significant other going to hell, based on the fact that he does not believe in Christ as his lord and savior.'

    This is rather easy for me; it's not my place to judge Bill in the eyes of Christ or god.

    I don't believe in hell. Or satan. Too convenient. icon_wink.gif

    As for atheists and heaven, here's a little parable about a samaritan, who was not christian at all, and what Christ said about him.

    'On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

    36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

    37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

    Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    Was the man the samaritan helped a good man? Was he a believer in god or Christ? None of that mattered.

    There's also another aspect to this story. The law expert in the story was not interested in love of god, but eternal life.

    My faith is a little different from what you're probably familiar with. Christ doing what he did and dying was for everyone, not just believers.
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    meninlove: I'm still cracking up over this one. Atheists simply don't believe. A lot of them have a far more impressive set of ethics and compassion, love, and caring for their fellow man than scores of some kinds of christians.

    Sweet, kind, atheist ethics, compassion, love, and caring for their fellow man in action:

    Atheists Lodge Complaint Against Clemson Football Program for Prayers, Bible Studies

    "The Freedom From Religion Foundation has lodged a complaint against the Clemson football program, accusing coach Dabo Swinney of hosting a team that’s “entangled” and “entrenched” in religion.

    Why?

    The team frequently participates in Bible studies and prayer services, and has been since 2011, the atheist groups complains, Breitbart reported.

    At the same time — nobody’s complained but the out-of-state, Wisconsin-based FFRF. The atheist group says that religion has become “interwoven” into the football program and that since the school is partly state-funded, the separation of church-state notion applies.

    But Clemson disagrees.

    In a statement to the Raleigh News and Observer, Clemson officials said: The FFRF is “mistaken in its assessment. We believe the practices of the football staff regarding religion are compliant with the Constitution and appropriately accommodate differing religious views. Participation in religious activities is purely voluntary and there are no repercussions for students who decline to do so.”

    Staffers, meanwhile, say they’re not aware of “any complaints from current or former student-athletes about feeling pressured or forced to participate in religious activities,” Breitbart reported.

    Yet the FFRF isn’t backing down.

    http://conservativebyte.com/2014/04/atheists-lodge-complaint-clemson-football-program-prayers-bible-studies/#u246CXYrXx8ZWdT8.99

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    Florida_guy: At meninlove, I'm not trying to pick a fight/argue here. I have a legitimate question. You say that a christian/atheist relationship can work, but I don't understand how you as a christian, who believes in hell, can be ok with your significant other going to hell, based on the fact that he does not believe in Christ as his lord and savior. Just interested to hear your viewpoint. Do you not think of the afterlife, or do you just believe an atheist will go to heaven? Hope I didn't offend.

    Good question.

    meninlove: This is rather easy for me; it's not my place to judge Bill in the eyes of Christ or god.

    I don't believe in hell. Or satan. Too convenient. icon_wink.gif


    Hell is mentioned over 160 times in the Bible.

    Christ spoke about Satan many times.

    Satan tries to persuade people that he doesn't exist.

    ...My faith is a little different from what you're probably familiar with. Christ doing what he did and dying was for everyone, not just believers.

    Christ taught that He will save anyone who believes in Him:

    “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”



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    *reads jockie's convoluted blither blather*

    I'm sorry jockie, but you have zero credibility with me, and your blithering only digs you in deeper. You can't change what you said on other topics, unless you go back and start editing your older posts.


    It was explained to you, carefully, by me, in one particular topic, what I referred to briefly in this one.

    PS show me the bible passages explaining this nugget: 'Satan tries to persuade people that he doesn't exist.'

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    meninlove: lol, jockie, I smell desperation, and it's all yours.

    That's true in one sense: Either one believes in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God, or one doesn't. Often, there is only a very limited basis for discussion with one who doesn't.

    Go look in your soul's mirror, and look reaaaaaalllly hard and honestly. You and your ilk (and by ilk I do NOT mean other Catholics, as there are many fine ones)do more to damage or destroy others' faith in Christ and god than any atheist.

    To the extent that you preach a faith which is not solidly based on the Bible, you may be misleading others into a crisis eternity.

    Now let's examine a few of your artful lies today.
    you said, " The only thing worse than responding to comments like your "crap" accusation is not responding to them." The article is pure personal anecdote and crap.


    Here are three central assertions made in the article. To dismiss them as "crap" is simplistic and low-information. Facts, evidence, and logic are needed to disprove the points made in the article.

    "As a gay American I am repeatedly warned throughout the media that my status as a citizen and my constitutionally held rights are at the very mercy of an angry, bigoted and unreasonable mob of Christian authoritarians controlling the country.

    "The curious thing, however, is that Christians currently have the ability to discriminate against gays, or whomever they wish, in all walks of life and yet do not take advantage of said power. America is a majority Christian country and so logically my personal experience, as well as the experience of all non-Christian Americans should be heavily restricted in terms of everyday access to goods and services according to liberal cries of outrage. Somehow we walk freely and unmolested.

    "To be sure, gays experience absolutely no limitation of their natural rights and this includes the right to bear arms, to vote, or the right to free speech, assembly or religion. Gays are not restricted in legal protections, property ownership, reproduction, education, business creation, taxation, political activism, or any other activity, civil or otherwise, enjoyed by all Americans. Actually, gays are not intentionally excluded under any law in the land.

    you said, " How about proclaiming your humility by not capitalizing your own name, rather than demeaning all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?"

    Christianity has much to answer to. If you really are a christian, rather than a power seeker you would know this. (but your are drawn to power, with your special prayer warriors and how 'some people are more important than others', like you which is why god answered YOUR prayers and cured you thanks to your prayer warriors ...OK now I'm feeling ill at remembering this crap of yours)


    Christianity is the finest belief system and ethical system known to man. Some who call themselves Christians have not lived up to Christian morality. Newsflash: we are all sinners. When a Christian's behavior is un-Christian, his or her own belief system indicts them.

    The Left loves to talk about the alleged death and misery inflicted on the world by Christians. That death and misery pales in comparison to the death and misery inflicted on mankind by atheists and other anti-Christian bigots.

    My account of having cancer, being given a 50/50 chance of survival, and then being found cancer-free through biopsies, done while I was on the operating table, about to have lymph nodes removed, followed by a complicated skin graft, is part of my file at a prestigious mid-Atlantic teaching hospital. I will always be grateful to those who prayed on my behalf.

    A Christian who rejects miracle healings is an odd sort of Christian indeed. Miracle healings occur today just a frequently as they did during Christ's earthly ministry.

    It's not for you or any other human to understand why God heals some people and not others, and appears to answer some prayers and not others, intervenes in earthly affairs with a miracle in some cases and not others.

    ...you said, "The Christian and atheist belief systems are incompatible." I'm still cracking up over this one. Atheists simply don't believe. A lot of them have a far more impressive set of ethics and compassion, love, and caring for their fellow man than scores of some kinds of christians.

    Agnostics don't believe. The most clueless atheists assert that "there is no God" and "I hate Him."

    Atheists have inflicted more mass murder and misery on mankind than any other diabolical nuisances. Aggressive atheists evidently get perverse pleasure in inflicting murder and misery on Bible believers.

    you said, "Whether Liberty University keeps or lets go its "Mary Poppins" producer doesn't concern me a great deal."...and this last is EXACTLY why your posted article is crap and explains to all why you think it isn't. icon_lol.gif

    Liberty university hired a gay producer, some argued that he should be fired. To the best of my knowledge he hasn't been fired and will not be fired. Contrast that to the tolerant treatment Branden Eich (former president of Mozilla) got from the fascist Left.

    As for Paul, spare me the rhetoric. If you're going to wield that knife, then you're just cut yourself open, lusting after men and their feet. icon_lol.gif Just go ask Paul. icon_lol.gif


    Why change the subject? What did Paul have to say about feet?

    It's always interesting to see who throws the first stone on RJ regarding "lust." My sexuality is restrained and responsible, in my opinion.

    You are a primitive christian; I am not. cheers!


    I am a sinner who claims the pardon purchased for all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    This topic is about a courageous, talented, attractive young man, coming to terms with his gay sexuality, and the tolerant, compassionate treatment he received after revealing his sexuality at a prominent Christian university.

    Most of the responses to the video have been positive.

    The Left seems to prefer turmoil, division, and demonizing of its opponents, in order to justify itself and advance its anti-Christian, Statist agenda.

    That is what's "primitive" and destructive in my opinion.