Thinking about juicing

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    Apr 07, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
    I am interested in juicing. Do you guys have any tips. Can you use a blender to make your meals? What makes juicing successful?
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:03 AM GMT
    I'm thinking about that as well. My coworkers are swearing by it. They claim their cholesterol dropped, blood pressure dropped, HDL increased, LDL decreased, energy level increased, etc etc etc.

    I'm looking into getting a good blender. They told me to get Vitamix with lifetime warranty. It's very expensive (around $500) but they say it's a good investment and it blends very finely with no lumps.

    They blend 7 kinds of fruits and vegetables each time (kale, beets, broccoli, carrots, apples, berries, etc) and they keep changing types of fruits and vegetables for varieties and for economical reason too (certain fruits/vegetables may be on sale or seasonal).

    Drink the whole thing (with pulps) for added fibers and nutrients.

    Add in fruits into the mix to help ease the bitter taste of vegetables.

    I have yet to get myself a blender.

    Enjoy!
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
    Magic Bullet?
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
    Do you drink the juice instead of a meal or in addition to a meal?

    I have heard it can be bad for your teeth but I am also thinking about it but my blender is currently broken and I only have a hand blender icon_sad.gif
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
    I almost made a non-sequitur reply. "Juicing" on a sports site usually means steroids. icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:45 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidMagic Bullet?

    That is an option. My friend said it is cheaper but is not as durable and does not blend as finely. But if you don't mind some lumps, it is ok.
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    Apr 08, 2014 12:45 AM GMT
    juicing lol.

    bitch, just do roids.

    fucking "juicing" ..... crock of shit.
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    Apr 08, 2014 2:27 AM GMT
    HamsterCheeks saidDo you drink the juice instead of a meal or in addition to a meal?

    I have heard it can be bad for your teeth but I am also thinking about it but my blender is currently broken and I only have a hand blender icon_sad.gif


    You can replace it with a meal, but you don't have too.
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    Apr 08, 2014 3:09 AM GMT
    There are so many threads already on green juicing but I'll break it down for you anyway...consider this Juicing 101.

    You mentioned a blender so I think you're confusing (green) smoothies (made with blenders) with juices (made with juicers). A juicer squeezes the juice out of produce and that juice is all you drink; a blender chops up produce so that a smoothie includes the fiber and any added liquid and ice, plus whatever else you add, like nuts or chocolate. Think of smoothies as very diluted, somewhat unseparated juice with fiber and nuts, chocolate, and/or dairy, depending. Think of juice as...juice.

    Blenders are better for fruits and juicers for vegetables, and the best juicers best juice vegetables, particularly wheatgrass. Juices and smoothies comprised primarily of fruit are counterproductive with too much teeth-rotting sugar causing insulin spikes; the healthiest juices and smoothies are vegetable-based with a bit of fruit (green apple, berries, bananas) for flavoring.

    With a blended smoothie, green or otherwise, you're only getting a fraction of the juice that you'd get with a juicer, and because it's not pure juice it's not only less nutritious but the nutritional delivery is compromised. There's an argument that green smoothies (blender with water/ice) retain only 15% of the nutritional value of the greens compared to 100% for green juicing (juicer) because the high chopping speed and heat of the blender (compared to the slow, quieter squeezing speed of the juicer) "oxygenates" the vitamins out of the greens. But another camp argues that that's hogwash and in fact green smoothies are more nutritious than green juices, even though it's logical to assume that, "absorbency/nutritional delivery" aside, you can ingest more juice than fiber - who can stomach 8 kale leaves blended with liquid and other produce without bloating? Still, you can find online evidence supporting any premise so a best case scenario would be, space and finances permitting, to juice and blend as I do.

    I use both a juicer and a blender. The two best blenders in the $300-500 class were the Blendtec and Vitamix. I chose the $325 Blendtec largely because of this video (I'll spare you further details on that decision-making process but you won't be so lucky when I get to my juicer):



    Enough about blenders and smoothies; back to on-topic juicing.

    I did a green juice fast for ten days and was never hungry (probably because each serving was 16-20 ounces!) or nauseous or glued to the toilet (probably because I ate pretty clean anyway and didn't have a lot to detox). The fiber I fed to the dogs (recommended) and post-fast, would dehydrate into crackers. These two photos show ziplock bags containing my pre-prepped juicing produce - each bag a "meal," four "meals" a day. As you can see, that's a lot of fiber (the CoffeeMate's for guests):

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    However, all those greens were expensive and involved a lot of prep time so I opted for economics and convenience over taste and began juicing wheatgrass every morning instead despite it tasting godawful (but you get used to it). I found it far easier, faster and cheaper to juice a seventh of a $21 wheatgrass flat I'd buy weekly at my local health food store, reducing the cost of my green juice fix to $3 per day - less than most people pay for coffee. According to this "karma pyramid," I made the right choice (proving that yes, anyone can find internet evidence supporting whatever preconceived notion they might have):

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    But I don't cut out other greens and their fiber entirely because I blend green protein smoothies with kale and collard greens, the most nutritious of green leafy vegetables (spinach ranks third). I pay extra for organic not only because leafy greens don't have protective skins but kale in particular tends to absorb and retain pesticides.

    As for which appliances to select, a good blender (which takes 20 seconds to clean) can cost anywhere from $100 (Magic Bullet or Nutribullet) to $300 (Vitamix or Blendtec) but a good juicer (which takes 2 minutes - less time that it used to take to clean coffeemakers, and well worth it) starts at about $300. The best juicers appear to be masticating non-upright juicers with "horizontal" single auger types. I wasn't about to spend $1000 for the best, most durable brand - the Angel - instead I decided on the Omega 8006 model for about $300. It was an easy decision because I wanted to juice wheatgrass, limiting my options, and there were complaints about the Omega 8005 auger which was so much less durable that plastic shavings off it would sometimes work their way into the juice! So paying just a little more for the 8006 was worth it because the auger was 8x harder, the 8006 alone had a fifteen year warranty (longest in the biz), they moved the switch from the top (splash zone?) to the rear, designed an ergonomic handle at the top and provided bigger juice/pulp containers. I got it in the chrome and black finish because I figured white would eventually stain and it looks good on my countertop, which is important because that's where I plan on keeping it - if I had to lug it out of a cabinet every time I wanted to juice I'd be less likely to.

    With the Omega 8006 the juice can have as little or as much pulp as you want because there are TWO strainers, a filter insert and a sieve. The filter you can keep inserted which makes sense because otherwise the juicer would be more of a bitch to clean, and the only thing remotely difficult about cleaning the juicer is scrubbing the filter insert with the included "toothbrush" for maybe 10 seconds. There's a sieve that fits atop the containers so you can pour the juice through it to remove any foam and pulp that wasn't extruded through the filter. I stopped using the sieve because the pulp that strained out of it was very minimal and I like my juice pulpy anyway. Juicing wheatgrass is easy and being pulp-free the cleanup's easiest, and as for reviews about how Omega juicers don't extract all the juice from the wheatgrass, taking a couple of seconds to re-run the not-quite-dry pulp through a second and third time squeezes out any excess.

    Here's what later validated my decisions as to which brand blender and juicer to get - I've observed that most health food supermarkets that sell wheatgrass shots use "horizontal auger" Omega masticating juicers and most gyms make smoothies in Blendtec blenders! Storefront juice bars are another story entirely - the loud "vertical" versions are almost always their juicer of choice - not because they're better (they run hotter), but because they're faster. Juice bar patrons don't want to wait for their juice, and since juice represents a big percentage of their inventory and most on-the-go patrons don't understand the difference between juicers, juice bars opt for fast turnover over best quality.
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    Apr 08, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
    Force saidI am interested in juicing. Do you guys have any tips. Can you use a blender to make your meals? What makes juicing successful?


    Blender = Smoothie
    Juicer = Juicing
  • Latenight30

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    Apr 08, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    Spend the money and go vita mix. It will server you later in life. It can take nuts-make peanut butter. That is power.
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    Apr 08, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    Totally expected this to be a steroid thread, Lol.

    I have a Nutribullet and I use it sometimes. Everyday is too much work, and it makes my digestive system go a bit weird, so I would say make a smoothie 1 - 3 X a week, if you happen to start.

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    Apr 08, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    Great answer eagermuscle. Very interesting. I bought a Breville last Christmas for about $160 at Bed, Bath and it works but is kind of a mess to clean and doesn't get 100% of the juice. But I'm mostly juicing ginger and that's pretty tough. If anyone looks at Breville, watch the warranty. Mine has a ten year warranty and one that costs just a bit more has a one year warranty. These things work hard and the motor gets hot so my guess is they may not last so you need that warranty.
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    Apr 08, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
    I have a juicer, but it's not a good one, so it takes a lot of cleanup and I'm not a big fan of having to clean up mess ...

    Anyway, I also have a blender and I make a smoothie every day with a bunch of different things in it (greens, a grapefruit, flax, hemp hearts, mixed berries, raw cranberries, bananas some days, real yogurt, some almond or coconut milk because it makes the blender work better to have liquid). It's a bit bitter, but I love bitter, which is why I'm a hoppy beer guy. I don't waste any time fretting about what's going in my smoothie, I just think of it as a way to eat a bigger diversity of different plants (nutrients, vitamins, etc.) than I might otherwise with hardly any effort.

    There were a bunch of things going around about oxalic acid in the spinach in your smoothies affecting absorption of nutrients and leading to kidney stones, but I figure the cranberries probably balance that a bit.

    I also grow sprouts, but am out of the habit at the moment because of recent travel. I'm going to start adding sprouts to my smoothies if they blend well. Again, my sprouting is intended to increase the diversity of plants in my diet.
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    Apr 08, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    Other item here is to experiment with recipes, if something does not taste right just change the combination of vegetables and fruits you are using. There are plenty of recipes out there.
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    Apr 09, 2014 4:07 AM GMT
    I have been on a diet and already eat plenty of fruits and vegetables including salad and celery. Isn't that the same? Eating an apple instead of a desert? Eating kale kind of like eating collard greens I think, a vegetable I like. Funny I am not that familiar with the term juicing used for doing steroids. I thought they were talking about the magic bullet. I would just eat the ingredients.
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    Apr 09, 2014 4:25 AM GMT
    Not a blender. You can get a NutriBullet from Bed Bath and Beyond in the US. Download a 20 percent off coupon by signing up and the $100 unit becomes 80 plus tax. The NutriBullet pulverizes the nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies into a liquid but not as fine as the more expensive alternatives. A blender will just make a thick mess.
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    Apr 09, 2014 5:09 AM GMT
    shawnathan saidThere were a bunch of things going around about oxalic acid in the spinach in your smoothies affecting absorption of nutrients and leading to kidney stones, but I figure the cranberries probably balance that a bit.

    Never heard about the oxalic acid issue so I looked it up. Spinach is high in it but kale and collard greens, the first and second most nutritious green leafy vegetable, are not. So you can juice or blend kale and collard greens with impunity! icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 10, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
    The local Food Maxx had fresh pineapples for $3.60 and I couldn't resist. I just cut off the ends and the skin, chopped it up, and pureed it in my blender. I kept wanting to add something else to it so that it wasn't just pure pineapple and finally remembered the bananas; much better! The second batch I added some white chocolate, which is basically cocoa butter and sugar; it didn't really help, but neither did it hurt.

    Hopefully eating an entire pineapple won't make me sick. At this point my taste buds are certainly happy.
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    Apr 10, 2014 5:26 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said^
    Next time add some coconut milk to your pineapple with a chunk of fresh ginger and you will have a very tasty virgin piƱa colada. You will love it.....

    Yeah, I was thinking about coconut milk. I was using it in my smoothies and freezing it in some 1/2 cup Glad plastic things but didn't want to open a can just for this, and I still have some frozen Carnation Evaporated milk from the can; also tasty in smoothies.

    I hadn't thought of fresh ginger; my grocery store also sells that for a song. I had been making candied ginger but haven't made any in a while.
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    Apr 10, 2014 6:10 AM GMT
    Import saidjuicing lol.

    bitch, just do roids.

    fucking "juicing" ..... crock of shit.


    Thanks I now see the light
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    Apr 14, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    You're welcome!