Obama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

  • metta

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    Apr 11, 2014 6:37 AM GMT
    Obama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

    http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2014/04/obama-ties-lbjs-civil-rights-legacy-to-lgbt-americ.html
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    Apr 11, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
    metta8 saidObama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

    http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2014/04/obama-ties-lbjs-civil-rights-legacy-to-lgbt-americ.html


    Obama's on thin ice here too. MANY blacks, especially devoutly religious ones, are very homophobic and regularly condemn LGBTs from the pulpit and elsewhere, and resent tying their civil rights struggle to ours. This is just more politicking by Obama and pandering to us, which I resent as patronizing, whatever the source. Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President!
  • MarvelClimber

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    Apr 11, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    Though the article title might say "ties," it does not read that way at all. Obama is saying LBJ opened doors that others besides white hetero men could now walk through. There are a lot of other changes that needed to take place before we ever could get to sexuality. Racial social issues carry more weight than orientation and lifestyle. For centuries, nations have gone to war for racial differences. They haven't for differences in sexuality. So, there's not tying the two together; Obama is not that glib. Nor would he diminish the struggle he's in by comparing it to LGBTQ struggles. He's simple saying his administration has made large strides in LGBTQ policy via way of a door opened in the past.
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    Apr 12, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
    Dear lord what a bunch of fluff. Who needs ideas when you have the right storyline.
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    Apr 12, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidDid LBJ say "Civil rights are up to each individual state to decide for themselves?"

    Because that's the position that Mr. Obama "evolved" to.

    Please quote where President Obama said that, since you put it in quotes. And how that conforms to his opposition to DOMA and his repeal of DADT.
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    Apr 12, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    Obama is this generation's FDR in that both helped prevent economic calamity and both successfully achieved the aims of two wars (in Obama's case killing Osama bin Laden).

    He is also this generation's LBJ in that he pushed hard and spent political capital to advance the civil rights of an unpopular group (gays).

    Frankly, historians will be much kinder to him than the polls are!
  • mybud

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    Apr 12, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidObama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

    http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2014/04/obama-ties-lbjs-civil-rights-legacy-to-lgbt-americ.html


    Obama's on thin ice here too. MANY blacks, especially devoutly religious ones, are very homophobic and regularly condemn LGBTs from the pulpit and elsewhere, and resent tying their civil rights struggle to ours. This is just more politicking by Obama and pandering to us, which I resent as patronizing, whatever the source. Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President!
    So what's pandering about comparing the civil rights movement to today's gay struggle for equal rights? It's not pandering for minority masses to receive equal treatment under the law. I guess you want to status quo.I want the right to marry,equal taxation,the right to leave my belongings to my future mate when I pass...Equality for those coming up behind me.
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    Apr 12, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
    mybud said
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidObama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

    http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2014/04/obama-ties-lbjs-civil-rights-legacy-to-lgbt-americ.html


    Obama's on thin ice here too. MANY blacks, especially devoutly religious ones, are very homophobic and regularly condemn LGBTs from the pulpit and elsewhere, and resent tying their civil rights struggle to ours. This is just more politicking by Obama and pandering to us, which I resent as patronizing, whatever the source. Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President!
    So what's pandering about comparing the civil rights movement to today's gay struggle for equal rights? It's not pandering for minority masses to receive equal treatment under the law. I guess you want to status quo.I want the right to marry,equal taxation,the right to leave my belongings to my future mate when I pass...Equality for those coming up behind me.


    Your inference does not reasonably flow from my post. The comparison's been made for several decades now, and some blacks have resented it for just as long. That was the point of my post, not my personal beliefs, let alone actions, which include over three decades of actively and openly, in and out of the courts, advocating for gay rights. Perhaps it's because of my record that I recognize real effort from pandering and don't hesitate to "tell it like it is."
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    Apr 12, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
    Oh my GOD

    Check yourselves, Obama has done more to normalize gay people and bring them into the national discussion than any other president in history, and all you guys do is bitch and whine about him like you all had it good between 1656 and 2007

    This is why nobody wants to stick their neck out for you unappreciative queens.
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    Apr 13, 2014 3:13 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    mybud said
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidObama ties LBJ's civil rights legacy to LGBT Americans

    http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2014/04/obama-ties-lbjs-civil-rights-legacy-to-lgbt-americ.html


    Obama's on thin ice here too. MANY blacks, especially devoutly religious ones, are very homophobic and regularly condemn LGBTs from the pulpit and elsewhere, and resent tying their civil rights struggle to ours. This is just more politicking by Obama and pandering to us, which I resent as patronizing, whatever the source. Thanks but no thanks, Mr. President!
    So what's pandering about comparing the civil rights movement to today's gay struggle for equal rights? It's not pandering for minority masses to receive equal treatment under the law. I guess you want to status quo.I want the right to marry,equal taxation,the right to leave my belongings to my future mate when I pass...Equality for those coming up behind me.


    Your inference does not reasonably flow from my post. The comparison's been made for several decades now, and some blacks have resented it for just as long. That was the point of my post, not my personal beliefs, let alone actions, which include over three decades of actively and openly, in and out of the courts, advocating for gay rights. Perhaps it's because of my record that I recognize real effort from pandering and don't hesitate to "tell it like it is."
    I call bullshit...This does reflect your personal beliefs...
  • metta

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    Apr 13, 2014 5:06 PM GMT
    ^
    The most liberal person on the Supreme Court, Ruth Ginsburg, agrees with that. She has made previous statements that she felt the problem with Rowe v. Wade was not that the result was incorrect, but that the decision pushed things too fast which caused a backlash that we are still fighting today. She wanted the issue of marriage equality to be taken more on a state by state basis for now to give people more time and get more support for it before making all the states do it. She feels that if we did that with Rowe v. Wade, that it would not be such a hot issue today.


    Video: Justice Ginsburg on DOMA and Roe v. Wade
    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/09/video-justice-ginsburg-on-doma-and-roe-v-wade/
  • metta

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    Apr 13, 2014 5:20 PM GMT
    "That's not how the court normally operates. It does not take giant steps." - Ginsburg quote in regards to Rowe v. Wade in the video around 5min40sec in the embedded video in the link I posted above.


    And in regards to Obama, I'm sure that he knows Constitutional law better than most. He taught courses in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, and has previously referred himself as "a constitutional law professor.'
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    Apr 14, 2014 2:25 AM GMT
    Maybe black people should look at queer compatriots of MLK

    Oh wait, they did so MLK had to distance himself from them publicly...

    Awkward..

    This is probably more threatening to black people that rest laurels on their heritage of enslavement than patronizing gay people... Just my quick observation... I don't care to read how its spun..

    A lady once felt entitled to having her shoe put on her foot because "I whipped her ancestors" .... I'm sure that'd be tougher to say with this observation understood.