Immigration issues

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    Apr 11, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
    I'm from Denmark and our immigration laws are really tight. The Danes saw what happened in the UK, France and Sweden and we don't want it here. Stockholm 2013 riots should serve as a wake up call for all politicians to regulate immigration in their countries.

    But I am all for asylum seekers, the people who really need it the most.

    Gay Afghan refugee granted asylum in Denmark

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-afghan-refugee-granted-asylum-denmark310113
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    Apr 11, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
    Danes might not want to have the situation of the Netherlands, either.

    Of possible interest (on a lighter note) is the new TV series Lilyhammer (an intentional misspselling of Lillehammer) avaiable in the US only by Netflix subscrption. Since it was a joint USA-Norsk production, it was probably shown already in your part of the world. It is a great black comedy, starring (and produced by) Steven Van Zandt, an american musician who played a gangster in the Sopranos. In Lilyhammer, an american gangster is given a new identity in Norway in exchange for testifying against the mob. He soon resumes his mobster ways. What is funny, is the great parody of a Norsk scheme for acculturating new (mostly Arab) immigrants, along with a parody of Norwegian rules and beauracracy.

    In the USA, it is very difficult for Afghan or Iraqui refugees to get asylum. Generally, they can get asylum only if they reach US shores, which is almost impossible. The US government makes it very difficult for any asylum seeker (gay or otherwise) to get asylum unless he can actually get here. Generally, if a persecuted gay guy from anywhere in the middle east goes to another country first, the US will not let them in, saying that it is the responsibility of the first country he went to, to give asylum - which for gay people is not much of an option.

    The US government only gives "lip service" to a supposed generous policy of granting asylum, relying on 6,000 km of water separating the country from everywhere else to keep out asylum seekers. Actual policies don't change, no matter which party is in control of the government. In this regard, Obama is no different than Bush.

    The immigration issues in the US are whether or not (or how to) legalize the 12 million Mexican immigrants already illegally here, and how to increase the number of immigrant visas for people who work in high-tech industry.

    It is amazing to me, that in the US, it doesn't matter if a foreigner marries a US citizen - they still have to apply for a visa - and it may take years. Contrast with the experience of a friend who married a french woman a few years ago. He got his French passport at the consulate in San Francisco a few weeks later - no extensive application process. Americans have the most complicated immigration system in the free world.
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    Apr 11, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    emlkngen saidI'm from Denmark and our immigration laws are really tight. The Danes saw what happened in the UK, France and Sweden and we don't want it here. Stockholm 2013 riots should serve as a wake up call for all politicians to regulate immigration in their countries.

    But I am all for asylum seekers, the people who really need it the most.

    Gay Afghan refugee granted asylum in Denmark

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-afghan-refugee-granted-asylum-denmark310113


    A lot of the rioters in Stockholm were asylum seekers or sons of asylum seekers.


    Honestly I think Sweden is a lost cause. You're wrong if you think Sweden is a perfect society where everyone is free to say or do anything. Gays and Jews are increasingly oppressed and it's not even safe for them to walk during the day at the ghettos in Stockholm.

    I recently had a debate with two Swedish girls on Twitter. They're completely ignorant to the real world!


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    I think it's safe to say that the Swedes have become completely and utterly brainwashed. The brainwashing starts early. Not in school but at home. They're taught to never question the extreme leftist view of the government. They're so silenced by political correctness, self-censorship and fear of being called racists and Neo-Nazis.


    Sweden is the 2nd rape capital in the world
    http://www.friatider.se/sverige-toppar-internationell-valdtaktsstatistik


    This may sound ridiculous but if you're a Swede and you leave an anti-immigration comment on any online newspaper, the thought police will track you down, knock on your door and confront you. Sometimes they will film you and post it on Youtube. I am not even kidding! This is one of the videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K4yEvbfS6Y



    I have so much to say about media censorship in Sweden but I don't have much time. This second video says it all perfectly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8oWf8gYN3k


    "A young Somali journalist in Sweden named Amun Abdullahi got herself in trouble with the politically correct elite by reporting the truth about the radicalization of young Somalis in Rinkeby (a culturally enriched suburb of Stockholm), where they were recruited for jihad by
    the Islamic terrorist group Al-Shabab. The treatment meted out to Ms. Abdullahi made her decide to move back
    to Somalia. She acknowledges that Mogadishu is a dangerous place, but she considers Sweden more dangerous, because "here you cannot tell the truth""

    EDIT : I totally forgot that the tweets are in Swedish. I would love to translate it to you guys but I gotta run!
  • tj85016

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    Apr 11, 2014 8:21 PM GMT
    I think all illegal aliens in the US should be deported along with their anchor kids and let the legitimate legal system work
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    Apr 11, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
    I am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.
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    Apr 11, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI think all illegal aliens in the US should be deported along with their anchor kids and let the legitimate legal system work

    Oh yeah, except for that pesky 14th Amendment thingie that says their kids are citizens.
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    Apr 11, 2014 10:45 PM GMT
    Sharkadelic said
    tj85016 saidI think all illegal aliens in the US should be deported along with their anchor kids and let the legitimate legal system work

    Oh yeah, except for that pesky 14th Amendment thingie that says their kids are citizens.


    that's true, oh well, just deport the parents and the kids will follow
  • creature

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    Apr 11, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.


    Is there really a total lack of enforcement if under the last 3-4 presidents there have been deportations. Maybe the enforcement is not at the level you want it to be, but you can't say Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama never enforced the laws. Even President Obama has been criticized for alleged excessive deportation rate.

    Going back to the OP...

    I don't see anything wrong with countries being strict with immigration policies.

    In Sweden, France, and other countries with a seemingly lax policy, what does it take to get a criminal deported if they are an immigrant? How serious of a crime does it have to be?

    I'm grateful my parents came here. They were actually planning to go back after getting their college degrees, but a military/communist regime took over and so they stayed. But there has never been an issue with my family or their friends as everyone has assimilated into the greater US culture.
  • creature

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    Apr 11, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Sharkadelic said
    tj85016 saidI think all illegal aliens in the US should be deported along with their anchor kids and let the legitimate legal system work

    Oh yeah, except for that pesky 14th Amendment thingie that says their kids are citizens.


    that's true, oh well, just deport the parents and the kids will follow


    Dude, what is with you. Why do the kids have to follow? The parents came here to allow their kids to have a better life. I'm betting most would make arrangements so that their kids stay. As US citizens they have that right and it should be encouraged.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 11, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
    ^^

    I agreed the kids can stay as they are US citizens, the parents should be deported and apply for a proper visa
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 11, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.
    Who are the uber rich going to hire to clean their opulent mansions and luxury condos if we kick out all illegal aliensicon_question.gif
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    Apr 11, 2014 11:21 PM GMT
    I'm all for Immigration and people coming to the US or wherever to make better lives for themselves, educate themselves or get married/settling down.

    However, I have problems with people who take advantage of the system or turn to gang/violence and end up growing pot plants in their house to get their funding/income. Or even worse, they come here illegally and commit crimes, murder people and run back to their country. It's like sucker, you can't catch me because **insert country* doesn't do Extradition. (Kinda remind me of the Amanda Knox case, different scenario I guess.)

    Or if a US company (ex. Google) say needed an Engineer or someone and they freaking decided to hire someone from INDIA and sponsor him/their family instead of a qualified candidate in the US. Like that's going to help the under-employed US citizens.
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    Apr 11, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    WickedRyan saidI am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.
    Who are the uber rich going to hire to clean their opulent mansions and luxury condos if we kick out all illegal aliensicon_question.gif


    Obama has deported more illegals than any other President
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    Apr 12, 2014 1:53 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.


    "Obama is deporting more immigrants than Bush; Republicans don't think that's enough"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/27/obama-is-deporting-more-immigrants-than-bush-republicans-dont-think-thats-enough/

    "High rate of deportations continue under Obama despite Latino disapproval"
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/19/high-rate-of-deportations-continue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/
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    Apr 12, 2014 1:55 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    roadbikeRob said
    WickedRyan saidI am completely disgusted with the total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws under the last 3-4 presidents.They are breaking their oath of office.We will see no progress on this issue under President Obozo.Ryan.
    Who are the uber rich going to hire to clean their opulent mansions and luxury condos if we kick out all illegal aliensicon_question.gif


    Obama has deported more illegals than any other President


    That statement on its own is untrue.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/
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    Apr 12, 2014 3:04 AM GMT
    Not that interested. But I still use the phrase "illegal alien," because it is a proper description.
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    Apr 12, 2014 5:25 AM GMT
    I used to but, its so like intense and confusing and hateful.

    I avoid it
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    Apr 12, 2014 7:06 AM GMT
    At this point I don't see why there isn't an international Passport.
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    Apr 12, 2014 7:09 AM GMT
    This topic is a non issue. That is paraded around by old fearful bullshit artists afraid of Ghosts they heard about in their past but never met. Berlin after the fall of the wall is a prime example. Look at Germany's economy now.

    Go ahead and refute. I don't bother with the internet enough to see refutation. Do your homework. I'm not your mother.
  • nbchmrgan

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    Apr 12, 2014 9:41 AM GMT
    AGREE WITH YOU OP.

    The Swedish minister for cultural affairs has actually gone public, saying young Swedish girls were to blame for any rape because they wore skimpy clothing. AIDS, west nile virus,ebola, all brought to them via Africa immigrants.

    "In the first seven months of 2013, over 1,000 Swedish women reported being raped by Muslim immigrants in the capital city of Stockholm. Over 300 of those were under the age of 15. The number of rapes is up 16% so far this year compared to 2012 numbers. A large proportion of the increase include rape of young pre-teen girls.

    The official radio report quoted from The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention refuses to mention the M-word in the socialist-suffocated Sweden, a country held hostage by the extreme left. But when you contact senior police and government sources they confirm (anonymous in fear of losing their jobs) that these numbers represent Muslims. And a majority of these rapes and sexual assaults are caused by Malmstrom's new arrivals, the asylum seekers."


    In spite of these horrid numbers and Sweden’s rapid increase in rape statistics, EU Commissions nutter and Swede Cecilia Malmstrom wants even more Muslims to arrive to her country, and to have access to the rest of Europe. (In a report released by the UN, Sweden will be a 3rd world country in 15 years)

    Here in the UK, we are open for discussion. If there's a problem with our immigration policies we will discuss it. IT'S REALLY DIFFERENT IN SWEDEN. All reports of rapes committed by immigrants censored.

    News articles :

    The Telegraph - Denmark's immigration laws save country £6 billion

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8492822/Denmarks-immigration-laws-save-country-6-billion.html


    Other European countries are following the footsteps of Denmark

    Irish Times - Swiss vote stokes embers of growing right-wing opposition to immigration

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/swiss-vote-stokes-embers-of-growing-right-wing-opposition-to-immigration-1.1689143


    The Local - Norway ruling party calls for 'Swiss' migrant vote

    http://www.thelocal.no/20140211/norway-ruling-party-calls-for-swiss-style-referendum


    BBC - Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451



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    Apr 12, 2014 3:51 PM GMT
    Snaz saidI used to but, its so like intense and confusing and hateful.

    I avoid it


    I know, right? It's so patriarchal and misogynistic and racist and homophobic and ageist and speciesist and transphobic and insensitive.
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    Apr 12, 2014 6:59 PM GMT
    The real problem is with the Europeans. They suck at integrating people into their society. Unlike North America where immigrants do much better because people are more evolved and open minded in general.
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    Apr 12, 2014 7:47 PM GMT
    canadian_stud saidThe real problem is with the Europeans. They suck at integrating people into their society. Unlike North America where immigrants do much better because people are more evolved and open minded in general.
    Canada does a good job integrating immigrants into its society. I can't say that for the US. It is mostly on a region to region basis. The northeast and industrial parts of the Midwest along with the west coast have integrated immigrants into American society. However in the South and parts of the intermountain west, xenophobia is still very strong. The US and Canada are not exactly alike on this issue.
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    Apr 13, 2014 3:40 AM GMT
    canadian_stud saidThe real problem is with the Europeans. They suck at integrating people into their society. Unlike North America where immigrants do much better because people are more evolved and open minded in general.


    Over the past decade, Danish gov has spent billions of kroner on integration & assimilation but these immigrants have failed. They just don't identify with Danish culture. They hate our flag, they make fun of our way life, they disrespect us, they don't want to contribute to the society.

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    Apr 13, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    emlkngen said
    canadian_stud saidThe real problem is with the Europeans. They suck at integrating people into their society. Unlike North America where immigrants do much better because people are more evolved and open minded in general.


    Over the past decade, Danish gov has spent billions of kroner on integration & assimilation but these immigrants have failed. They just don't identify with Danish culture. They hate our flag, they make fun of our way life, they disrespect us, they don't want to contribute to the society.

    Those are some of the exact same problems the US has encountered with some immigrants. A sizable number of immigrants flatly refuse to assimilate into American cultural norms yet they love the freedom and opportunity the US offers.