Cab drivers quit over promotional ads for Cleveland’s Gay Games

  • metta

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    Apr 11, 2014 5:58 PM GMT
    Cab drivers quit over promotional ads for Cleveland’s Gay Games

    WOIO-TV in Cleveland reports that at least 17 drivers have refused to drive cabs with Gay Games signs. Most of the drivers are Muslim and have cited religious objections, the station said.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/04/cab-drivers-quit-over-promotional-ads-for-clevelands-gay-games/
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    Apr 12, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    Curious as to your take on this? Would you want to be a taxi driver with an add for "Christian Days at Chic-fil-a"?
    Personally I don't think they should have to quit to not have to do something against their beliefs in the same way we wouldn't want to promote something that goes against ours.
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    Apr 12, 2014 5:57 AM GMT
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    It is a fine line. I will not eat at Chick-fil-a but if I was working for a company that had an ad on the cab.....I would not like the ad but I would not quit. If I had Christian customers in the cab, I would not discriminate against them.

    But if the customers started telling me about how disgusting gay people are, I would not be quiet about that either. I believe in treating customers professionally but there is a line to draw and we each have to decide what we are willing to do.

    If I owned the cab company or was in upper management, I would probably decline the ad on the basis of discrimination/bigotry but still make sure that the customers were treated professionally.

    I think that those cab drivers should quit because they were unwilling to do their job. There will be gay people in those cabs and if the cab drivers cannot be professional with the customers, they should not do that job.
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    Apr 12, 2014 5:59 AM GMT
    I had to work (in a support role) on an account for a cigarette company. Because I am affected by second hand smoke, I loathe cigarettes (or cigars). [All right, to be fair, I should direct my aversion toward inconsiderate people who smoke around non-smokers]. I worked on the case (because it was my duty for which I was paid to do), but it upset me for the whole day. icon_sad.gif

    Like Metta8 said above, if I were to work on cases for clients whose products/services I find objectionable more frequently, and knowing how it would have affected my mental state, I'd quit that job. On paper, an issue like this doesn't seem dramatic, but one's conscience(or lack thereof) will affect how he/she render the service.
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    Apr 12, 2014 6:07 AM GMT
    I agree that if they can't do the job without discriminating then they should quit. I didn't see anything in the article about that however, I just saw that they didn't want to drive with the sign on. Discriminating against customers and not wanting to promote something you don't believe in are two very different issues to me. It seems strange to me that the taxi company couldn't just let them drive taxis with other advertisements, in the same way I would expect a gay driver to have the same options.
  • hebrewman

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    Apr 12, 2014 10:54 AM GMT
    fine. quit. loose business for all I care. I'm getting sick and tired of this selective religious nonsense. what a crock of shit.
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    Apr 12, 2014 11:43 AM GMT
    Would a Catholic bus driver refuse to drive a city bus with an ad for birth control?This is nonsense.I totally support Freedom of Worship and Freedom of reliogion but this is just absurd.Ryan
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    Apr 12, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    Suppose you grew up with a family -taught strong taboo (like cannibalism is a most dreadful practice noone should ever do). By strong I mean unquestionable to you. This is out of your control.

    Then you find a job. Your new family depends on you.

    Later, something out of your control makes you, effectively, support that taboo (like wearing the official. Hoodie for the cannibal potluck festival next month at the city morgue - only consenting cadavers on menu). You believe in "honor", and that this situation compromises it.

    Would quitting your job be a light decision? What is unfair here, from your perspective?
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    Apr 12, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    It is a fine line. I will not eat at Chick-fil-a but if I was working for a company that had an ad on the cab.....I would not like the ad but I would not quit. If I had Christian customers in the cab, I would not discriminate against them.

    But if the customers started telling me about how disgusting gay people are, I would not be quiet about that either. I believe in treating customers professionally but there is a line to draw and we each have to decide what we are willing to do.

    If I owned the cab company or was in upper management, I would probably decline the ad on the basis of discrimination/bigotry but still make sure that the customers were treated professionally.

    I think that those cab drivers should quit because they were unwilling to do their job. There will be gay people in those cabs and if the cab drivers cannot be professional with the customers, they should not do that job.


    Well said. There have been similar incidents involving Muslim cabbies refusing to carry passengers from airports who had liquor with them, which occurs quite often in light of duty free shops located there.

    "When in Rome" seems never to have been adopted by Islam, but then they only got as far as Constantinople. If they persist in not accepting the manners and mores of the countries they emigrate to, they will justifiably find that they will not be accepted either. America's success is partly based on its being a melting pot, not a salad bowl.
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    Apr 12, 2014 3:34 PM GMT
    Thats awesome. Less cabs means less terrible drivers on the road.
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    Apr 12, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
    CuriousGreg saidDiscriminating against customers and not wanting to promote something you don't believe in are two very different issues to me.

    This is the heart of the problem. Right-wingers are pushing the idea that by simply doing the job you were hired to do you are actively "promoting" something. You can argue that the cab company (of which these drivers are not equity owners) are possibly "promoting" something, but their paid employees are simply carrying out their duties. It's the same tired crap that came from the various town clerks in upstate New York who refused to issue marriage licenses. They are also not the "owners" in that case---the state of New York, meaning the people, are the owners. All they were asked to do is fulfill the obligations of their job, and since they refused they ought to have been fired.

    Once you start down the line of pretending that any employee anywhere has the right to veto some part of what a company pays them to do, you're falling for the whole right-wing scam. The result would be chaos---which (at least as it applies to government) is exactly what they want.
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    Apr 12, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    Muslims icon_lol.gif
    I'm not surprised.
    Where are those stupid left wingers who jump to their defense.
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    Apr 12, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    HEBREWMAN saidfine. quit. loose business for all I care. I'm getting sick and tired of this selective religious nonsense. what a crock of shit.




    +1 I mean seriously one of two things come to mind closet case or religious freaks u choose
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    Apr 12, 2014 6:14 PM GMT
    CuriousGreg saidI agree that if they can't do the job without discriminating then they should quit. I didn't see anything in the article about that however, I just saw that they didn't want to drive with the sign on. Discriminating against customers and not wanting to promote something you don't believe in are two very different issues to me. It seems strange to me that the taxi company couldn't just let them drive taxis with other advertisements, in the same way I would expect a gay driver to have the same options.


    Is there a difference between advertising for liquor or a strip club or gay games?

    Is there a difference between advertising for gay games and Olympic games?

    Regardless of what their religion says, we are not a vice.

    We're people too. They might never get it. But maybe one day you'll understand that being gay is not a flaw of morality.
  • RSportsguy

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    Apr 12, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
    I was in Cleveland for our MIST softball tournament in 2012. A cab driver refused to take me and a friend to a gay bar. First he said that he did not know the directions, so we said that we could look it up on our phones. He said that he did not want to go there. We just jumped out and got another cab. We tipped the cabbie well and he gave us his number to call when we wanted him to pick us up and take us back to our hotel. I bet cabbie number 2 made a lot of money that weekend!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 12, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    Fuck those nasty Muslims. Maybe when they go broke they'll go back to their own country where they can legally kill queers.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 12, 2014 7:30 PM GMT
    It is time for these Islamic assholes to get their primitive brains out of the dark ages and face the true fact that homosexuality is natural and part of God's so-called plan. If they don't want to do their job operating cabs, than they should be terminated from their jobs and replaced. There are more than enough Americans that are unemployed who could become cab drivers in Cleveland and elsewhere.
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    Apr 12, 2014 8:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIt is time for these Islamic assholes to get their primitive brains out of the dark ages and face the true fact that homosexuality is natural and part of God's so-called plan. If they don't want to do their job operating cabs, than they should be terminated from their jobs and replaced. There are more than enough Americans that are unemployed who could become cab drivers in Cleveland and elsewhere.


    I love the implication that muslims are the only religion to hate homosexuality icon_razz.gif

    You people are so adorable.
  • kuroshiro

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    Apr 12, 2014 9:26 PM GMT
    It's advertising space. Outside companies pay to promote there. Suck it up and deal with it... it's not like the company itself is promoting it. :/
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    Apr 12, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
    Cobalt said
    roadbikeRob saidIt is time for these Islamic assholes to get their primitive brains out of the dark ages and face the true fact that homosexuality is natural and part of God's so-called plan. If they don't want to do their job operating cabs, than they should be terminated from their jobs and replaced. There are more than enough Americans that are unemployed who could become cab drivers in Cleveland and elsewhere.


    I love the implication that muslims are the only religion to hate homosexuality icon_razz.gif

    You people are so adorable.


    I don't recall him saying "only" Islamic are to blame. But let's face it, they're probably the most hateful religion out there, with Fundamentalist Christians being right behind them.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 13, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
    what's their immigration status, can we deport them if they're unemployed?
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 13, 2014 12:09 AM GMT
    People who actively hate minority groups in our country should not be given citizenship here. We have enough home-grown bigots already poisoning our society without importing more nut-jobs from other countries.
    Seriously, if you hate America's values (including equality and justice for all) don't come here.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 13, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidPeople who actively hate minority groups in our country should not be given citizenship here. We have enough home-grown bigots already poisoning our society without importing more nut-jobs from other countries.
    Seriously, if you hate America's values (including equality and justice for all) don't come here.
    I agree 100%. It is time for all these religious bigots from other countries to go back where they came from if they refuse to assimilate into American cultural norms.
  • Kazachok

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    Apr 13, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    metta8 saidCab drivers quit over promotional ads for Cleveland’s Gay Games

    WOIO-TV in Cleveland reports that at least 17 drivers have refused to drive cabs with Gay Games signs. Most of the drivers are Muslim and have cited religious objections, the station said.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/04/cab-drivers-quit-over-promotional-ads-for-clevelands-gay-games/


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    Apr 13, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
    CuriousGreg saidCurious as to your take on this? Would you want to be a taxi driver with an add for "Christian Days at Chic-fil-a"?
    Personally I don't think they should have to quit to not have to do something against their beliefs in the same way we wouldn't want to promote something that goes against ours.



    That's like asking a black guy if he'd quit over an ad promoting blacks slavery. When you flip the question is such a way, you are putting the discriminator in a position of entitlement to be intolerant. The concept is a simple one: the majority discriminates against a minority then the moment this minority demands their rights, somehow that majority has the right to be offended and the minority should remain tolerant towards that.

    As a minority I would have quit if i had to drive a cab promoting intolerance but to even compare that to an intolerant prick who thinks it is his right to be an asshole is appaling.