The Government Listens To Lobbyists And The Wealthy, Not You And Me

  • metta

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    Apr 14, 2014 7:01 AM GMT
    The Government Listens To Lobbyists And The Wealthy, Not You And Me


    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/12/3426152/wealthy-lobbyists-policy/


    Testing Theories of American Politics:
    Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
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    Apr 14, 2014 10:26 AM GMT
    Um... Duh.
  • ASHDOD

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    Apr 14, 2014 10:46 AM GMT
    people dont know that??? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 14, 2014 11:46 AM GMT
    Ashdod saidpeople dont know that??? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Crazy as it sounds... Most Americans don't - and that's much of the problem here. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 14, 2014 1:06 PM GMT
    manboynyc said
    Ashdod saidpeople dont know that??? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Crazy as it sounds... Most Americans don't - and that's much of the problem here. icon_neutral.gif

    It's one of the reasons many politicians, especially on the Right, begin their public policy pronouncements with: "The American people want..." Or with similar words, that are peppered throughout their statements.

    It's amazing how the prescient American people already want things they likely have never even heard about before. The ones who DO want these things are the lobbyists and special interest groups, who actually proposed & promoted these specific policies & legislation, in some cases even writing the bills themselves that the elected politicians submit. But it's important for the politicians to convince Americans that the ideas and desire for them come from the people themselves, not from large campaign contributors.
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    Apr 14, 2014 2:11 PM GMT
    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-you-trick-people-into-thinking-your-idea-is-their-own-2013-1
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    Apr 14, 2014 2:31 PM GMT
    i never gave it much thought till after 911 just how gullible the average Joe is.
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    Apr 14, 2014 3:08 PM GMT
    Double Duh
  • DCEric

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    Apr 14, 2014 3:29 PM GMT
    It's almost like the people who get the most benefits from the government have some how managed to orchestrate getting the most benefits from the government.

    Wait. What?
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    Apr 14, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
    And this is news? To whom?
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    Apr 14, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Ooops, I see Art_Deco already posted the "let's focus this on the Republicans" line.

    A lot more factual & rational than the "It's all Obama's fault!"propaganda you keep yammering here. "Obama this..." "Obama that..." You do sound like a broken record after a while.

    And your retelling of how the ACA got written and passed into law is fantasy. BTW, I wrote "the Right" not the Republicans. That word does not appear in my post. Your distorting of facts is always astonishing to watch.
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    Apr 14, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 said
    Ooops, I see Art_Deco already posted the "let's focus this on the Republicans" line.

    A lot more factual & rational than the "It's all Obama's fault!"propaganda you keep yammering here. "Obama this..." "Obama that..." You do sound like a broken record after a while.

    And your retelling of how the ACA got written and passed into law is fantasy. BTW, I wrote "the Right" not the Republicans. That word does not appear in my post. Your distorting of facts is always astonishing to watch.


    Are we talking about your 10,000 + posts doing exactly the same when it comes to "RJ conservatives/conservaposse/GOP/repubs/republicans/ right wingers/tea Party?

    You have long sounded like a broken record.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 14, 2014 5:43 PM GMT
    pellaz saidi never gave it much thought till after 911 just how gullible the average Joe is.


    +1

    if you don't think that was a controlled demolition, you need to have your head examined
  • tj85016

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    Apr 14, 2014 5:50 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    tj85016 said
    pellaz saidi never gave it much thought till after 911 just how gullible the average Joe is.


    +1

    if you don't think that was a controlled demolition, you need to have your head examined


    Move me to the front of the line then for having my head examined.

    I lived right across the street in Battery Park City at that time. I witnessed the whole thing.

    While it's the makings of a great "thriller" or "foreign espionage" story that it was a controlled demolition or inside job or whatever, the fact is that it wasn't.


    look for a good shrink then - bfd, I was at 370 Madison and lived in the UWS, so what
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    Apr 14, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
    I thought Obama was going to change all this, and it turns out he perpetuates it. What a surprise.
  • toastvenom

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    Apr 14, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
    it seems this is common knowledge, the real horrifying truth is how apathetic the masses are to actually do something about it. Everybody is to focused on paying off their debts to take the initiative to fight for a more democratic and fair society where individuals don't have to put themselves in debt just to afford anything (i.e. a house, car) fighting for a more equal share of the pie would alleviate this stressful way of living (but when you stop to think about it is actually the way government imposes control on people, keep them a slave to the wage, living paycheck to paycheck) this way they will shut up, keep their heads down, eat whatever shit is thrown at them and be greatful they have a abysmal paying job that gives them the means to barely afford the basics of life)
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    Apr 15, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
    I have known this since 1986 and I was involved in politics.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 15, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    metta8 saidThe Government Listens To Lobbyists And The Wealthy, Not You And Me


    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/12/3426152/wealthy-lobbyists-policy/


    Testing Theories of American Politics:
    Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
    That means both the democratic and republican parties, both are equally at fault. This is why it is time for a permanent eviction of both democrats and republicans from the halls of American government from the federal level all the way down to the local level. This dictatorship like duopoly must end or our country is fucked for good.
  • ASHDOD

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    Apr 15, 2014 8:44 PM GMT
    manboynyc said
    Ashdod saidpeople dont know that??? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Crazy as it sounds... Most Americans don't - and that's much of the problem here. icon_neutral.gif


    not only the americans,most of the human race.
  • metta

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    Apr 18, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
    The US is an oligarchy, study concludes
    Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html
  • tj85016

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    Apr 18, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    ^^

    are you really that naive?
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    Apr 19, 2014 12:23 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    are you really that naive?


    You'll learn when you read SouthBeach you can just ignore the post unless you want a good laugh. I understand his kind, my Uncle said he liked Sarah Palin at Christmas! Vomit...
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    Apr 19, 2014 3:05 PM GMT
    Party of the rich: In Congress, it's the Democrats:

    http://news.yahoo.com/party-rich-congress-democrats-040228270--election.html

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    FILE - In this Oct. 4, 2013 file photo, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., left, talks withHouse Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of Calif. at Hunter College in New York. Republicans are the party of the rich, right? It's a label that has stuck for decades, and you're hearing it again as Democrats complain about Republican opposition to raising the minimum wage and extending unemployment benefits. Of the 10 richest districts, New York 12th Congressional, Maloney's, which includes Manhattan's Upper East Side, as well as parts of Queens and Brooklyn. Maloney is in her 11th term representing the district. (AP Photo/Jason DeCrow, File)
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    Apr 19, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
    The actual study seemed pretty lame. (I just glanced at the summary, didn't try to find the full text.) One thing it ignored is that people don't vote in the same way that they respond to poll questions. (e.g. recent polls showing that most people agree with democratic positions but still plan to vote republican.) People don't know what they want until you tell them that they want it. And what they really want is magic beans and perpetual motion machines.

    Still the worst possible system, except for all the others.