Child Neglect and Beyond!

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    Dec 30, 2008 4:51 PM GMT

    What kind of Bleeding Idiot would do something like this!

    Girl dies on cold walk; dad charged with murder
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    Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print 16 mins agoTWIN FALLS, Idaho – The father of an 11-year-old girl who died, likely of hypothermia, after trying to walk 10 miles in the snow on Christmas Day has been charged with second-degree murder and felony injury to a child.

    Robert Aragon, 55, of Jerome, made an initial appearance Monday in 5th District Court, where Judge Mark Ingram appointed a public defender for him. The judge denied Aragon's request to lower his $500,000 bond. He was being held in the Blaine County Jail.

    Aragon was emotional during the short hearing. He banged his head on the defendant's table as Ingram read the charges against him, The Times-News reported. After Ingram noted that second-degree murder carries a maximum penalty of life in prison, Aragon said "Oh my God" as he banged his head on the table one final time.

    Sage Aragon and her 12-year-old brother, Bear, were with their father on Thursday when his truck got stuck in a snow drift near state Highway 75, north of Shoshone in southcentral Idaho, according to the Lincoln County sheriff's office.

    The children live with Aragon in Jerome and he was taking them to visit their mother, JoLeta Jenks, in West Magic.

    After the truck got caught in the snow, authorities allege Aragon let the children out to walk to their mother's house while he and another adult stayed behind to free the vehicle.

    Jenks said she called Aragon because she was concerned after no one arrived at her home on Thursday. Aragon had driven back to Jerome after letting the kids out to walk to her house, Jenks said.

    "They didn't even call me, telling me they were walking," she told the Times-News.

    Jenks called the police and a Blaine County search and rescue team found the boy at a rest area near the highway shortly before 10 p.m. on Thursday night.

    Adults in the search effort described the snow as knee-deep for them.

    The boy was found wearing only long underwear, Blaine County Sheriff Walt Femling said in a news release. Apparently delusional from hypothermia, the child had discarded his jacket, pants and shoes, the sheriff's office said. He was treated and released at a nearby hospital.

    The rest area was about 4.5 miles from where the children started walking.

    At some point the children separated and their mother said her son told her they disagreed about whether to keep going or turn back.

    "(Bear) kept on telling her: 'Let's go, Sage, let's go, Sage,'" Jenks said, recalling what her son told her. "She said, 'No, I'm going back.'"

    The little girl was found about 2.7 miles from where the two set out, barely visible under windblown, drifting snow when search dogs located her along a local road about 2 a.m. Friday. She was wearing a brown down coat, black shirt, pink pajama pants and tan snowboots, the sheriff's office statement said.

    "I thought she was alive because they said they found her," Jenks said. "I was excited."

    The girl was pronounced dead at a Ketchum hospital; preliminary autopsy results indicate she died of hypothermia.

    Officials say temperatures in the area at the time the girl was missing ranged from 27 degrees above zero to minus 5.

    Jenks and Aragon are not married. While she said she doesn't understand the decision Aragon is accused of making in letting the children walk to her house, Jenks added, "I don't need to sit and yell. I know he's going through hell right now."icon_mad.gif

    Those poor children!
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:14 PM GMT
    How sad! icon_sad.gif

    And what an irresponsible father. icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:16 PM GMT
    I think he was neglectful and stupid but not intentionally so. I am not sure what the point of imprisoning would be.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    It's called "depraved indiffrence" and yes he should go to JAIL! He had a responsibility to protect his child. He sends them off into the snow while he and his friend stayed with the car where they had a heater! They were children! He should have telephoned the mother and alerted her he did not.
    I think he tried to kill them! Susan Smith!
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:34 PM GMT
    No matter how many exclamation points you use, I have to agree with Sureal. Unless something comes out during the trial he just seems like a very, very stupid man.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:45 PM GMT
    It was a very stupid thing to do, but based on what I've read so far, he shouldn't go to prison.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Do any of you have children? If you are not parent then you don't know and yes he should go to prison. Just for STUPID!
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidDo any of you have children? If you are not parent then you don't know and yes he should go to prison. Just for STUPID!


    If that is the case the number of parents that should be in prison should be much higher. I include my own parents in this.
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    I'm kinda with Surreal and Zombie. The man is a blithering idiot, but doesn't seem to be a malicious one. The rest of his life is going to be a waking hell knowing that he's responsible for the death of his daughter, and a son still alive to constantly remind him of it. Imprisoning him isn't necessarily unreasonable, but it doesn't really seem like it would serve a purpose other than to placate the righteously angry masses; hell, even the mother acknowledges that the man knows he has destroyed his own life by saying she doesn't even need to yell at him. Part of me kinda wants to be one of the righteously angry and beat the snot out of him....but mostly I just feel really, really sad for him.

    Good thing they found the boy when they did. When you reach the stage of hypothermia where you start shedding your clothing because you inexplicably begin feeling hot, it's virtually unheard of to make a recovery on your own without immediate medical attention. That little kid was literally at death's door.
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    Stupidity, unquestionable...
    and horrific, sad, reprehensible!

    However, this is the equivalent of leaving a child in a locked-airtight car on a 90+ degree day which happens with great frequency every spring and summer and I am yet to hear of any female (or male) locked up for two seconds for that??

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    Dec 30, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    Murder requires intent to kill. This sounds more like negligent homicide to me - which still can carry jail time. But if they are charging him with murder, they'll have to prove intent.
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:32 PM GMT
    First of all let me clear.

    A child is dead and another almost died and the parent should and will be held responsible. I would feel the same way if a parent left a child in a car in 100 degree plus tempurature.

    That's parental neglect which is against the law.

    At the very least an adult should have been with these two children since there were two present. They was hiking in the snow for 2 miles 27 degree temps and at some point below ZERO.

    There is no excuse for bad parenting or blatant neglect and once it notice it should be reported and the neglectful parent should be responsible.

    I did that to a family member of mine and I had guardianship for a year and a half. Children do ask to be born and once they are here their safety and welfare is tantamount.

    I was equally upset when on the 4 year old boy some how sneaked out of the house broke into a department store and was found playing with toys.
    He managed to make his way across 7 lanes of traffic both parent are in coustody awaiting trial on charges of child endagerment and neglect.
    This took place while the parents where a sleep.icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Dec 30, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    Trust me, I agree...
    Murder, no
    Neglect - Absolutley!

    Wake up, pay attention, think... is this so hard?
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    Children do ask to be born and once they are here their safety and welfare is tantamount.

    Children ask to be born? That was a typo I am sure. As for their safety and welfare nobody is disagreeing with that, but jail time is usually in response to willful neglect. For example, a parent who keeps their child locked in a closet 23 hours a day and only feeds them a minimal amount of food. Or a child who is sexually abused or physically abused by a parent.

    I am constantly amazed at what people will do when raising children. Partially it is due to the stress that is related in the job, but also parenting brings up a whole lot of issues from the parent's own upbringing that can make things very interesting.

    I still contend based on the facts given that this guy is mentally challenged but not malicious. I have come across far worse cases of abuse that did not result in jail time (although the child was taken away from the parent).
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:53 PM GMT
    Horribly and tragically sad!!!!

    Negligent homicide does sound more like it as rotabilis stated, and they would have to prove intent to kill if they are going to charge him for murder. I have to side with SurrealLife & MunchingZombie, I believe the father will be killing himself emotionally over this and will never be able to forgive himself for his stupidity. I seriously believe that incarcerating the man is not the best sentencing in this case; it's not like he did it intentionally, it was a VERY VERY stupid decision he made that had a fatal result. And IF they do incarcerate the man, the other inmates will probably kill him for "killing" a child; those guys DO NOT go for that shit at all!!!!!

    So SAD!!!!! I feel bad for the father!
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    Dec 30, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    Surreal,

    If you are trying to engage me in a war of words....please light that torch else where man. I will not engage. Thanks for pointing out the typo I really appreciate it.icon_biggrin.gif

    If this man is being charged with murder there is additional information that has been facts that merits a murder charge and that information has not been shared with the press.




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    Dec 30, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    What amazes me is the father did not follow up on his kids? He left after the car was fixed.
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    Dec 30, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidSurreal,

    If you are trying to engage me in a war of words....please light that torch else where man. I will not engage. Thanks for pointing out the typo I really appreciate it.icon_biggrin.gif

    If this man is being charged with murder there is additional information that has been facts that merits a murder charge and that information has not been shared with the press.






    Ducky44 hopefully you know me well enough through other RJ forums that I do not try and start flame wars. I might stumble into one due to my careless wording, but I would not consciously start one. Thanks for the clarification regarding the typo.

    As for the murder charge they probably do have more information they are not sharing, because based on what is presented, this murder is a stretch. Mind you the US Justice system treats criminals more harshly than most countries and is more likely to use incarcerationl.
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    Dec 30, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Surreal,

    Thanks for your reply. I have read your previous post and was a little taken a back which is why I chose to reply in the manner in which I did. We all have our opinions sometime we agree and sometime we do not.

    The one thing I will not do is allow myself to sink to level of communicating inwhich I feel that I have to insult, or start this back and fourth of name calling. I will delete my profile before I do that.

    Thank you for your clarification. Whenever I get the feeling that someone here is trying to ignite a torch...I just shut it down.icon_biggrin.gif

    Where grown men. Let's continue to treat each other with dignity and respect.