London or Germany?

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    Dec 30, 2008 5:33 PM GMT
    Planning a trip for April or May. Where would you for your first trip to Europe?

    I am leaning towards Germany, just because I am obsessed with their cars. But, heard great things about London also.

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    Dec 30, 2008 5:37 PM GMT
    Go to Berlin.
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    Dec 30, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    sdn8 saidPlanning a trip for April or May. Where would you for your first trip to Europe?

    I am leaning towards Germany, just because I am obsessed with their cars. But, heard great things about London also.


    My friend Tim and I went to London, Rome and Paris last August. London was wonderful....really a "Disneyland" for adults. For guys in shape, it's perfect. We walked all over the place, and I felt like I was in a movie set the entire time. The public transit is wonderful, and it's beyond belief how much there is to do there (we saw "Billy Elliott" and "West Side Story" but also did the iconic tourist things...the London Eye, Tower of London, British Museum, a Proms Concert at Royal Albert Hall, etc).

    If he can afford it, we are thinking about doing 5 nights in Munich and 5 nights in Barcelona this upcoming summer.....or a Berlin/Prague trip....in either case, we are thinking of renting a BMW and driving the authobahn....if in Munich, across the border to Innsbruck.(I've been to Munich before and it's great too...but not London).

    But, as a first trip....London would be my advice.
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    Dec 30, 2008 5:42 PM GMT
    I guess a fairer comparison would be Germany or England. I loved London, England. So much history and culture. But the food sucked! Germany is definitely a must place to see, but I would advise people to travel to Italy first. The people are friendly, the weather is nicer and the food is great!
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    Dec 30, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    LDN is a very cool place indeed. I'd go to LDN over virtually any city, with Barcelona being the possible only exception.
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    Dec 30, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    "we are thinking of renting a BMW and driving the authobahn."

    I will take an Audi, I wonder if they rent S8's?
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    Dec 30, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
    LOL You're going to Germany just for the cars? They export those now, you know...

    I lived in London for six years and it's still one of my favourite cities on the planet---but then, so is Berlin. I'd be torn. Could you split your time between the two? 5 days in each or something?
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:08 PM GMT
    Not going just for the cars. But, it's definitely a plus.

    I only have a week. So rather spend the time checking out one city, and send another trip for the other one and all the others I will eventually get to.

    Hmmmmmmm soggy chips
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:16 PM GMT
    I lived in Berlin for a few years, and loved the Germans. Much more friendly, outgoing and helpful than our stereotypical American image of them, and many speak English. Just learn a few common German phrases, as a matter of politeness and good manners.

    At the same time, the UK is wonderful, with no language barrier (aside from accents and a few Queen's English peculiarities for an American). Either way I don't think you'll go wrong. As for German cars, you'll see them anywhere in Europe, including the UK. On balance, you might find the UK the "easier" place for your first trip to Europe. I would recommend May or June, though, since Spring can come late there, especially in northern Germany.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    I can't offer any advice. But if you do end up in Germany, I expect a full photo report of car sightings.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    being an amsterdam resident myself (and not biased at all, just disappointed its not taken into consideration haha) i prefer berlin over london.
    I loved london 10 years ago but now i find it to bring nothing special. berlin on the otherhand is much more edgy and creative!
    great folk and atmosphere... plus only a 6 hour trainride away from amsterdam!

    what more could you wish for ;)
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:26 PM GMT
    All cars aside, Germany is an amazing place. Go to Munich, it's amazing, and I hear that Berlin is great, too. I really liked London (I went for the first time in May), it was a fun town, but it was EXPENSIVE. But don't limit yourself to "Germany or London," look at Prague and Budapest and Croatia, look at France and Spain and Portugal. There are amazing destinations all over the place.
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    Of course - London! icon_smile.gif The city has it all, it's own unique lifestyle, history and plenty of stuff to do. And the weather will be getting pretty okay for that time of year icon_smile.gif

    If in Germany, I would only go to Berlin, Munich or Hamburg or somewhere closer to the Alps.. but you just will get bored so quickly! icon_smile.gif

    If you come to London - hit me up, I'll give you some tips. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:33 PM GMT
    mrpandora saidbeing an amsterdam resident myself (and not biased at all, just disappointed its not taken into consideration haha) i prefer berlin over london.
    I loved london 10 years ago but now i find it to bring nothing special. berlin on the otherhand is much more edgy and creative!
    great folk and atmosphere... plus only a 6 hour trainride away from amsterdam!

    what more could you wish for ;)

    You make good points. Berlin has always been on the cutting edge, oddly more radical than London, despite the conventional tendencies of other Germans. It all depends on what our friend here wants.

    We just finished hosting one of your countrymen for Christmas in Florida, who lives outside Amsterdam. But if Amsterdam is just a 6-hour train ride from Berlin, what is the time from London?
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:35 PM GMT
    A flight from Amsterdam to London is 45 mins, the train takes around 3 hours or more, with the change in Brussels (Thalys and Eurostar). icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:41 PM GMT
    sdn8 said"we are thinking of renting a BMW and driving the authobahn."

    I will take an Audi, I wonder if they rent S8's?


    We found this...Hertz rents Mercedes, Enterprise rents BMWs...and they're not that bad. Audi would be fine too....it's just that we want a powerful car so that we can tool along the autobahn....
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    Dec 30, 2008 6:42 PM GMT
    cdncuteboy saidLOL You're going to Germany just for the cars? They export those now, you know...


    Oh no, not just for the cars. But that's one of the things we want to do....drive a quick/speedy/hot car on the autobahn....

    I have a BMW 330i here...but you can't drive 100 mph legally here...
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    icon_biggrin.gif Yep the Audi S8 has the v10

    or even better the new Audi RS6 Bi Turbo V10
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    as far as expenses, if the exchange rates stay the same through this spring, your cost will be the same in the UK or Germany.

    I am currently living in Germany and I am loving it. I, also, would choose Berlin over London. Plus, you have other really cool cities near berlin like dresden, weimar, etc (approx 2 hours with the train). If you end up staying longer than a week, i suggest going to Munich, Cologne, and Dusseldorf. These cities are kinda spread apart except for the latter two.

    If you get to confirm your itinerary N germany and would lie to travel to other cities, I suggest buying high speed train tix early. You will save SOOOO much! ***Disregard this travel option if you are planning on renting a car. just FYI, gas in germany cost about $6 per gallon. =(

    One more thing, if you have Bank of america in the States, you can use your ATM card in germany at any Deutsche Bank free of fees. So you would not have to worry about getting ripped off with exchange fees at the airport or somewhere else.
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    fastprof saidWe found this...Hertz rents Mercedes, Enterprise rents BMWs...and they're not that bad. Audi would be fine too....it's just that we want a powerful car so that we can tool along the autobahn....

    I presume you know the rules of the Autobahn? You must yield the fast (inner) lane when flashed, no matter how fast you are going.
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    come to London icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    Definitely Germany!
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    Dec 30, 2008 7:43 PM GMT
    mrpandora saidberlin on the otherhand is much more edgy and creative!
    I agree and would go to Berlin mainly for that reason - though London can be good, too. It seems you're looking forward to German freeways and their higher speed limit (and not just the cars), right?
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    Dec 30, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    London. There is far more to do and see than in Berlin and it's far prettier. And with the Pound falling through the floor it will be much cheaper than Germany (or anywhere in Europe for that matter).

    German food is terrible. They can't cook vegetables without turning them into a soggy mess.

    London's restaurants are some of the best in the world.

    The gay scene is also incredibly varied unlike Berlin where it's a choice of harsh Techno or crap Europop.
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    Dec 30, 2008 9:34 PM GMT
    I have been to both. I love both.

    I might advise London, if this is your first trip overseas. It will give you the opportunity to experience overseas travel while still understanding the language.

    Too bad you arent visiting London in July or August, because Buckingham Palace is open for tours while the Queen is summering in Scotland.

    If you go to London, mind the gap and watch for traffic coming from the wrong direction.