Text Messaging a huge ripoff

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    Dec 30, 2008 10:32 PM GMT
    Yes, yes, the topic title is very "Dog Bites Man", but this news story is pretty interesting...and could open up a monster can of worms.

    What Carriers Aren’t Eager to Tell You About Texting
  • Squarejaw

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    Dec 31, 2008 12:44 AM GMT
    When I think "rip off" I think of a scenario where people aren't getting what they're paying for, or when fees are hidden. That's not what's happening here. If text messages aren't worth the price to you, then don't text.
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    Dec 31, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    Well, it's pretty obvious. I'm not sure why the reporter is surprised. Simply consider the number of bytes in a text message vs. the number of bytes in a minute of voice conversation. If they were billed at the same rate, the text message would be such a tiny fraction of a cent that it should be essentially free.

    Put this on the agenda, right after people paying money for bottled water.
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    Dec 31, 2008 1:02 AM GMT
    I'm with Squarejaw on this one. There's nothing hidden in the fee that you're being charged for text messaging. It's a service the mobile companies provide you with instead of calling someone, just as is using their bandwidth to send an email.

    Now where is this can of worms you speak of?
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    Dec 31, 2008 1:52 AM GMT

    Men, be glad you're not in Canada where Canadians are being dinged for incoming text messages - like spam! 15 cents each.


    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080808/Telus_charges_080808/20080808?hub=TopStories
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    Dec 31, 2008 1:56 AM GMT





    http://www.digitalhomethoughts.com/news/show/91931/text-messaging-price-hikes-all-about-profit.html



    ....and this.
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    Dec 31, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    Hrm.. isnt the mark up on textiles like hundreds of percent? Even cheap ones? Isnt that fancy Ed Hardy Tshirt that costs 60 bucks like 50 cents to make?

    When CDs were popular (i guess this translates to DVDs), they cost like 5 cents to make but people bought them for 10-20 bucks.

    Its all relative ... cost of productive vs sales cost varies a lot across the board. I'd like you to perhaps take a class on managerial accounting to learn more about this interesting topic of business.

    I on the other hand... I have unlimited texts. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 31, 2008 3:00 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Men, be glad you're not in Canada where Canadians are being dinged for incoming text messages - like spam! 15 cents each.


    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080808/Telus_charges_080808/20080808?hub=TopStories

    Same here in the US. ATT charges for both incoming and outgoing. Even for spam messages.

    I don't have a text message plan because I only text once in a while. But it costs about .25 cents for each message. But it's pretty obvious that SMS is a rip-off. Because I can send one message to everyone in my address book and it will still cost .25 cents. So when you hear the wireless CEO's complain about network congestion, it's all bullshit. SMS puts very little or no drain on the network resources. Text messaging is purely a cash cow for the wireless industry.
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    Dec 31, 2008 3:07 AM GMT
    I certainly don't text, especially since I'm not some 15 year old kid to incessantly send out meaningless messages. I halted all texting services on my carrier (AT&T) because most in-coming text messages were costing me a bundle each month, and I rarely returned any of those messages via texting. I told AT&T afterwards that if any text messages came through into my phone, that a call from me to their call center would not be the most friendly thing for them to have.
  • B71115

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    Dec 31, 2008 3:18 AM GMT
    i have verizon and my texts are 10 cents each. of course, when i started with verizon it was 5 cents for texts i send and 2 cents for texts received. they didn't notify me of a change as far as i know, but i'm not paying 20 cents. actually, i pay $5 a month for 100 texts before i'm charged extra
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    Dec 31, 2008 3:35 AM GMT
    I personally hate texting unless it's just a quick message that doesn't warrant a response. If I want to communicate in typed words I'll sign on to IM. If I want to have a conversation via the phone, I'll call. Why spend 15 minutes communicating something that can be communicated in 15 seconds?
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    Dec 31, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
    Why do we text? Because breaking up over text is that much more insulting than in an email!

    Oh and it works great during work or when ignoring a professor. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 31, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    you guys don't text message much do yas?
    we do, gawd, its soo much better then voice!
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    Dec 31, 2008 6:16 AM GMT
    C'mon, it's like 250 bytes of information, of course it's ridiculously cheap for phone companies to shoot texts through the air. The only reason it's expensive, or charged for at all, is because it's easy to market and people love it.
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    Dec 31, 2008 6:39 PM GMT
    Actually, SMS (Short Message Service) is 140 8bit characters or 70 16bit characters, that rides in the control channel from the base station to the handset.

    That control channel talks no matter what. I.e., there's no significant additional cost to putting data into it.

    Read all about SMS here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service

    MMS (Multimedia Messaging Service) expands upon SMS, and EMS.

    You can read about it here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service
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    Dec 31, 2008 7:20 PM GMT
    Text messaging makes life so much easier. Think of all the times you need to get somethin said but cant pick up the phone and call.

    That bein said,

    I still have 5 days left on this months billing cycle, and so far I have used 5,741 texts. In november I used over 7,000. Now, lets say for a minute, that I had no text messaging plan. Since I have Verizon that means each sent is 20 cents and each received is 10 cents. For simplicity sakes, we will say I sent 3,000 and received 3,000. My bill just for texting alone would be $900. Fortunately for me, I pay $20 a month for unlimited texting. So I am not getting ripped off.

    My point is I believe it depends on how your looking at it. $900 is getting ripped off, indeed. Then again, grandma who sends 4 texts per month while paying the $20 for unlimited texting is also getting ripped off, indeed. Its all about how you look at it.


    Thats my 20 cents.
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    Dec 31, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    cadudesf saidI certainly don't text, especially since I'm not some 15 year old kid to incessantly send out meaningless messages. I halted all texting services on my carrier (AT&T) because most in-coming text messages were costing me a bundle each month, and I rarely returned any of those messages via texting. I told AT&T afterwards that if any text messages came through into my phone, that a call from me to their call center would not be the most friendly thing for them to have.


    AMEN to that. I agree 100%.
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    Dec 31, 2008 7:45 PM GMT
    I text like mad...comes in handy during boring lectures.
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    Dec 31, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    it doesn't make sense to me that we're charged for incoming messages.. especially since the other person was charged to send it, so why are both parties charged for one message?

    related to this: why are incoming SPAM messages are also charged to the recipient?
  • Squarejaw

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    Dec 31, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    I don't agree, Trocks. The examples you cite don't show people getting ripped off, just people making bad choices.