Prop 8 Defense Attorney Reveals Daughter Gay, Getting Married, Views Evolving

  • metta

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    Apr 17, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    Attorney Charles Cooper, who argued for 'Protect Marriage in the Proposition 8 case, says he learned during the trial that his daughter is gay and he's now helping plan her wedding


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/04/prop-8-defense-attorney-reveals-daughter-is-gay-and-getting-married-says-views-are-evolving.html
  • FRE0

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    Apr 17, 2014 5:00 PM GMT
    From the article:

    "The revelation is an unexpected footnote in the years-long debate over Proposition 8...."

    "My views evolve on issues of this kind the same way as other people's do...."

    Actually, it shouldn't be unexpected. Years ago, public attitudes towards gay persons were exceedingly negative. The change has largely come about as the result of more openness among more gay men and women. Quite often people will change their attitude, although not necessarily immediately, when the learn that a friend or relative is gay. It's difficult for people to maintain negative attitudes towards gay persons when they learn that someone they like or love is gay.

    Another thing that helps is for people to learn that being gay is not a matter of choice. If they can cling to the idea that people chose to be gay, then they can more easily hang on to their negative attitudes.
  • mr_bijae

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    Apr 17, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
    metta8 saidAttorney Charles Cooper, who argued for 'Protect Marriage in the Proposition 8 case, says he learned during the trial that his daughter is gay and he's now helping plan her wedding


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/04/prop-8-defense-attorney-reveals-daughter-is-gay-and-getting-married-says-views-are-evolving.html


    Funny how views change when it's personal. Everyone should have such an experience and learn to be more tolerant.
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    Apr 17, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    mr_bijae said
    metta8 saidAttorney Charles Cooper, who argued for 'Protect Marriage in the Proposition 8 case, says he learned during the trial that his daughter is gay and he's now helping plan her wedding


    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/04/prop-8-defense-attorney-reveals-daughter-is-gay-and-getting-married-says-views-are-evolving.html


    Funny how views change when it's personal. Everyone should have such an experience and learn to be more tolerant.

    I've said for years that it is that individual experience, whether a relative or just the nice guys down the street, that will have the biggest affect on how others view homosexuality. The closer it hits home to others personally, the more likely a person is to accept those who are gay.
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    Apr 17, 2014 9:30 PM GMT
    Coop saidFrom the article:
    "My views evolve on issues of this kind the same way as other people's do...."


    Except for the whole, "Take homophobes' money to illogically argue their case before the US Supreme Court," part. I can see a little divergence from "other people's" views there.
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Apr 18, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
    [quote]
    I've said for years that it is that individual experience, whether a relative or just the nice guys down the street, that will have the biggest affect on how others view homosexuality. The closer it hits home to others personally, the more likely a person is to accept those who are gay. [/quote]
  • Cutlass

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    Apr 27, 2014 2:47 AM GMT
    I'm not sure if having a relative or close friend as being gay makes people more tolerant. Some are, I know, but I was thinking of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist who has a son who is gay, and I don't think she even mentions it, although it was pointed out to her.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    Cutlass saidI'm not sure if having a relative or close friend as being gay makes people more tolerant. Some are, I know, but I was thinking of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist who has a son who is gay, and I don't think she even mentions it, although it was pointed out to her.

    Phyllis Schafly is not a normal person, though. She's a no-good, stinking cunt.
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:03 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    Cutlass saidI'm not sure if having a relative or close friend as being gay makes people more tolerant. Some are, I know, but I was thinking of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist who has a son who is gay, and I don't think she even mentions it, although it was pointed out to her.

    Phyllis Schafly is not a normal person, though. She's a no-good, stinking cunt.

    That's an insult to all the no-good, stinking cunts out there.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 27, 2014 9:50 PM GMT
    I guess it's nice that this right-wing douche is "evolving" after his own daughter came out, but I don't think it says much about his character that he was an energetic bigot, actively working to harm others, until it affected his own family.
    People of character believe in equality for African Americans even if they are white. People of character believe in equality for Jews even if their family is not Jewish.
    Social Conservatives: try to expand your narrow-minded thinking and enlarge your tiny circle of compassion beyond people who are exactly like you. Then you can start patting yourself on the back.
  • FRE0

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    Apr 28, 2014 7:16 AM GMT
    Cutlass saidI'm not sure if having a relative or close friend as being gay makes people more tolerant. Some are, I know, but I was thinking of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist who has a son who is gay, and I don't think she even mentions it, although it was pointed out to her.


    Phyllis Schlafly's very identity and career are so closely tied to being anti-gay that she is unable to change. She made that commitment way before she knew that her son was gay. Less rigid people who have not publicly established an anti-gay identity and career can more easily reverse their positions.
  • metta

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    Apr 28, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    Cutlass saidI'm not sure if having a relative or close friend as being gay makes people more tolerant. Some are, I know, but I was thinking of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist who has a son who is gay, and I don't think she even mentions it, although it was pointed out to her.


    Phyllis Schlafly's very identity and career are so closely tied to being anti-gay that she is unable to change. She made that commitment way before she knew that her son was gay. Less rigid people who have not publicly established an anti-gay identity and career can more easily reverse their positions.


    That is so very sad. I feel sorry for her son. He deserves better!

    "Schlafly and her husband moved to Alton, Illinois, and had six children: John, Bruce, Roger, Liza, Andrew and Anne.[12] In 1992, their eldest son, John, was outed as gay by Queer Week magazine.[13][14] Schlafly acknowledged that John is gay, but stated that he embraces his mother's views.[13][15] Their son Andrew founded Conservapedia, a conservative open-source encyclopedia, after voicing concerns that Wikipedia had a liberal bias.[16]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly