Dustin Lance Black Hits Back at Alma Mater, Pasadena City College, For Shaming Him

  • metta

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    Apr 18, 2014 1:55 AM GMT
    Dustin Lance Black Hits Back at Alma Mater For Shaming Him


    http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2014/04/17/dustin-lance-black-hits-back-alma-mater-shaming-him


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    Apr 18, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    That... that was good.
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    Apr 18, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
    Eloquently worded, on topic, and necessary. But I highly doubt it will change a thing, other than making Dustin feel better that he got it off his chest. Both parties have drawn their respective lines in the sand. Should the college choose to reverse their decision (highly unlikely, in my opinion) would/should Dustin choose to show up? I think that's the real question here.
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    Apr 18, 2014 1:14 PM GMT
    a303guy saidEloquently worded, on topic, and necessary. But I highly doubt it will change a thing, other than making Dustin feel better that he got it off his chest. Both parties have drawn their respective lines in the sand. Should the college choose to reverse their decision (highly unlikely, in my opinion) would/should Dustin choose to show up? I think that's the real question here.

    I don't think it's the REAL question, but it's a question to which I hope Dustin's answer would be "YES". Everyone makes mistakes, and to acknowledge and make amends is the best sign of humanity. If he were to refuse, to perpetuate the conflict and animosity which results from "us" being "us" would be not only counter-productive to a cause for tolerance it would be wrong and in conflict with his own integrity.

    What I think the real question is: DID the college make the decision because it was gay-themed or did the college make the decision because it didn't want a sexually-rooted "scandal" being rekindled? “With the porno professor and the sex scandals we’ve had on campus this last year, it just didn’t seem like the right time for Mr. Black to be the speaker,” Board President Anthony Fellow said. “We’ll be on the radio and on television. We just don’t want to give PCC a bad name.” This seems to not indicate anything particularly targeting of Dustin's sexuality, simply the existence of his pictures. And while it could have been more compassionately worded toward Dustin, I have to wonder if Dustin is playing "the gay card". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 18, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
    a303guy saidEloquently worded, on topic, and necessary. But I highly doubt it will change a thing, other than making Dustin feel better that he got it off his chest. Both parties have drawn their respective lines in the sand. Should the college choose to reverse their decision (highly unlikely, in my opinion) would/should Dustin choose to show up? I think that's the real question here.


    I could be wrong, but don't think the end game here is for him to be re-invited.

    I think the more important issue is that he is addressing a problem that needs to be discussed.

    People who are victims of a crime should not be made to feel bad about them. Private photos of him and his boyfriend were stolen and placed on line, and for that he is being penalized.

    It seems that when either a woman or a gay man have crossed the arbitrary lines of decency set up by the moral majority, they are shamed into hiding.

    Yet we have straight men who have done far worse who go into politics and are hailed as pillars of the community.

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    Apr 18, 2014 1:23 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    a303guy saidEloquently worded, on topic, and necessary. But I highly doubt it will change a thing, other than making Dustin feel better that he got it off his chest. Both parties have drawn their respective lines in the sand. Should the college choose to reverse their decision (highly unlikely, in my opinion) would/should Dustin choose to show up? I think that's the real question here.

    I don't think it's the REAL question, but it's a question to which I hope Dustin's answer would be "YES". Everyone makes mistakes, and to acknowledge and make amends is the best sign of humanity. If he were to refuse, to perpetuate the conflict and animosity which results from "us" being "us" would be not only counter-productive to a cause for tolerance it would be wrong and in conflict with his own integrity.

    What I think the real question is: DID the college make the decision because it was gay-themed or did the college make the decision because it didn't want a sexually-rooted "scandal" being rekindled? “With the porno professor and the sex scandals we’ve had on campus this last year, it just didn’t seem like the right time for Mr. Black to be the speaker,” Board President Anthony Fellow said. “We’ll be on the radio and on television. We just don’t want to give PCC a bad name.” This seems to not indicate anything particularly targeting of Dustin's sexuality, simply the existence of his pictures. And while it could have been more compassionately worded toward Dustin, I have to wonder if Dustin is playing "the gay card". icon_rolleyes.gif


    Well said Mads - and I think you are correct on both counts - the college could have worded their statement better, or just freaked out a little less (or really, just vetted the invitee better), and Dustin did chose to play the gay card, rather than just playing the shit happens card. Interesting game of chess, this is. (Yoda card)
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    madsexy said[quote]
    I don't think it's the REAL question, but it's a question to which I hope Dustin's answer would be "YES". Everyone makes mistakes, and to acknowledge and make amends is the best sign of humanity. If he were to refuse, to perpetuate the conflict and animosity which results from "us" being "us" would be not only counter-productive to a cause for tolerance it would be wrong and in conflict with his own integrity.

    What I think the real question is: DID the college make the decision because it was gay-themed or did the college make the decision because it didn't want a sexually-rooted "scandal" being rekindled? “With the porno professor and the sex scandals we’ve had on campus this last year, it just didn’t seem like the right time for Mr. Black to be the speaker,” Board President Anthony Fellow said. “We’ll be on the radio and on television. We just don’t want to give PCC a bad name.” This seems to not indicate anything particularly targeting of Dustin's sexuality, simply the existence of his pictures. And while it could have been more compassionately worded toward Dustin, I have to wonder if Dustin is playing "the gay card". icon_rolleyes.gif


    Any Board President worth his salt would have recognized that by dis-inviting a speaker because of a past scandal, they are going to create a new scandal. I don't buy that they were trying to keep the school out of the news.

    Lance was a victim of a crime, he did not set out to publish those private pictures. There is nothing shameful about those pictures, and he should not have been dropped as a speaker because of them.

  • madsexy

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    Apr 18, 2014 1:29 PM GMT
    creyente said
    madsexy said[quote]
    I don't think it's the REAL question, but it's a question to which I hope Dustin's answer would be "YES". Everyone makes mistakes, and to acknowledge and make amends is the best sign of humanity. If he were to refuse, to perpetuate the conflict and animosity which results from "us" being "us" would be not only counter-productive to a cause for tolerance it would be wrong and in conflict with his own integrity.

    What I think the real question is: DID the college make the decision because it was gay-themed or did the college make the decision because it didn't want a sexually-rooted "scandal" being rekindled? “With the porno professor and the sex scandals we’ve had on campus this last year, it just didn’t seem like the right time for Mr. Black to be the speaker,” Board President Anthony Fellow said. “We’ll be on the radio and on television. We just don’t want to give PCC a bad name.” This seems to not indicate anything particularly targeting of Dustin's sexuality, simply the existence of his pictures. And while it could have been more compassionately worded toward Dustin, I have to wonder if Dustin is playing "the gay card". icon_rolleyes.gif


    Any Board President worth his salt would have recognized that by dis-inviting a speaker because of a past scandal, they are going to create a new scandal. I don't buy that they were trying to keep the school out of the news.

    Lance was a victim of a crime, he did not set out to publish those private pictures. There is nothing shameful about those pictures, and he should not have been dropped as a speaker because of them.

    I don't agree that it's a given about the Board President's character or intentions - school boards and trustees exert incredible, often bizarre, pressure on their administrators. It's simply an unknown, and given the other "issues" they've had, it's plausible.

    And I don't dispute at all that he was a victim of a crime, that he proved that or anything. I'm simply saying it seems equally plausible that Dustin may be jumping to his own end and playing the gay card.
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    Apr 18, 2014 2:36 PM GMT
    creyente saidPeople who are victims of a crime should not be made to feel bad about them. Private photos of him and his boyfriend were stolen and placed on line, and for that he is being penalized.


    The odd thing is that the "scandal" is apparently coming from the gay community. The problem seems not to be that he had sex, but that he was barebacking. That's something only we care about, not straight people.

    If he had been straight and having sex without a condom, nobody would have batted an eye. But look, there is a picture of a gay man having sex without a condom, and suddenly it's a scandal.

    A scandal in the gay community, not in the community at large. I'd say the dustup over Dustin is not really the consequence of a crime, as he portrays it. It's not about him being gay, either. It's about the fight against AIDS and HIV, and the fact that SOME people, SOMETIMES, go completely overboard.

    DLB had sex without a condom. That is NOT a scandal in itself. We made it one, because we have to shame everybody that doesn't use condoms.
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    Apr 18, 2014 2:53 PM GMT
    themachine said
    creyente saidPeople who are victims of a crime should not be made to feel bad about them. Private photos of him and his boyfriend were stolen and placed on line, and for that he is being penalized.


    The odd thing is that the "scandal" is apparently coming from the gay community. The problem seems not to be that he had sex, but that he was barebacking. That's something only we care about, not straight people.

    If he had been straight and having sex without a condom, nobody would have batted an eye. But look, there is a picture of a gay man having sex without a condom, and suddenly it's a scandal.

    A scandal in the gay community, not in the community at large. I'd say the dustup over Dustin is not really the consequence of a crime, as he portrays it. It's not about him being gay, either. It's about the fight against AIDS and HIV, and the fact that SOME people, SOMETIMES, go completely overboard.

    DLB had sex without a condom. That is NOT a scandal in itself. We made it one, because we have to shame everybody that doesn't use condoms.

    Hear, hear!
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 18, 2014 3:39 PM GMT
    Good grief! That's crazy overthinking of it, Madsexy. No one knows anything about his photos and the condom issue. What we have here is a petty man at a dink school insulting a distinguished alum. He should have had better manners (and judgement) and he displays an example of blithe, unearned and undue superiority by not treating Black as an honored guest. He didn't even pick up the phone and discuss it with him. Harvard managed to honor him but this podunk junior college can't? He didn't care what the issues were and jumped at the opportunity to cancel. Yes, I see it as exactly what Black called him out on, anti-LGBT.

    Why is it so many gay guys are eager to disrespect the very guys who have championed our issues so effectively and changed the mind of the nation?
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    Apr 18, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidGood grief! That's crazy overthinking of it, Madsexy. No one knows anything about his photos and the condom issue. What we have here is a petty man at a dink school insulting a distinguished alum. He should have had better manners (and judgement) and he displays an example of blithe, unearned and undue superiority by not treating Black as an honored guest. He didn't even pick up the phone and discuss it with him. Harvard managed to honor him but this podunk junior college can't? He didn't care what the issues were and jumped at the opportunity to cancel. Yes, I see it as exactly what Black called him out on, anti-LGBT.

    Why is it so many gay guys are eager to disrespect the very guys who have championed our issues so effectively and changed the mind of the nation?

    You obviously need to go back and read both of my posts. But you're entitled to your opinion, as I and others are to ours.
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    Apr 18, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    Destinharbor saidGood grief! That's crazy overthinking of it, Madsexy. No one knows anything about his photos and the condom issue. What we have here is a petty man at a dink school insulting a distinguished alum. He should have had better manners (and judgement) and he displays an example of blithe, unearned and undue superiority by not treating Black as an honored guest. He didn't even pick up the phone and discuss it with him. Harvard managed to honor him but this podunk junior college can't? He didn't care what the issues were and jumped at the opportunity to cancel. Yes, I see it as exactly what Black called him out on, anti-LGBT.

    Why is it so many gay guys are eager to disrespect the very guys who have championed our issues so effectively and changed the mind of the nation?

    You obviously need to go back and read both of my posts. But you're entitled to your opinion, as I and others are to ours.

    You seem more interested in going after Black's motivation and criticizing him than the petty, rude administrator. Gay card, huh? Black was treated badly by this small man and he chose to not lie down and take it.
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    Apr 18, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    madsexy said
    Destinharbor saidGood grief! That's crazy overthinking of it, Madsexy. No one knows anything about his photos and the condom issue. What we have here is a petty man at a dink school insulting a distinguished alum. He should have had better manners (and judgement) and he displays an example of blithe, unearned and undue superiority by not treating Black as an honored guest. He didn't even pick up the phone and discuss it with him. Harvard managed to honor him but this podunk junior college can't? He didn't care what the issues were and jumped at the opportunity to cancel. Yes, I see it as exactly what Black called him out on, anti-LGBT.

    Why is it so many gay guys are eager to disrespect the very guys who have championed our issues so effectively and changed the mind of the nation?

    You obviously need to go back and read both of my posts. But you're entitled to your opinion, as I and others are to ours.

    You seem more interested in going after Black's motivation and criticizing him than the petty, rude administrator. Gay card, huh? Black was treated badly by this small man and he chose to not lie down and take it.

    I'll leave it at what I said and what the facts evidence.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 18, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    Destinharbor said
    madsexy said
    Destinharbor saidGood grief! That's crazy overthinking of it, Madsexy. No one knows anything about his photos and the condom issue. What we have here is a petty man at a dink school insulting a distinguished alum. He should have had better manners (and judgement) and he displays an example of blithe, unearned and undue superiority by not treating Black as an honored guest. He didn't even pick up the phone and discuss it with him. Harvard managed to honor him but this podunk junior college can't? He didn't care what the issues were and jumped at the opportunity to cancel. Yes, I see it as exactly what Black called him out on, anti-LGBT.

    Why is it so many gay guys are eager to disrespect the very guys who have championed our issues so effectively and changed the mind of the nation?

    You obviously need to go back and read both of my posts. But you're entitled to your opinion, as I and others are to ours.

    You seem more interested in going after Black's motivation and criticizing him than the petty, rude administrator. Gay card, huh? Black was treated badly by this small man and he chose to not lie down and take it.

    I'll leave it at what I said and what the facts evidence.

    I'll stand behind the guy who has worked tirelessly to open doors for all of us.
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    Apr 18, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
    themachine said

    The odd thing is that the "scandal" is apparently coming from the gay community. The problem seems not to be that he had sex, but that he was barebacking. That's something only we care about, not straight people.

    If he had been straight and having sex without a condom, nobody would have batted an eye. But look, there is a picture of a gay man having sex without a condom, and suddenly it's a scandal.

    A scandal in the gay community, not in the community at large. I'd say the dustup over Dustin is not really the consequence of a crime, as he portrays it. It's not about him being gay, either. It's about the fight against AIDS and HIV, and the fact that SOME people, SOMETIMES, go completely overboard.

    DLB had sex without a condom. That is NOT a scandal in itself. We made it one, because we have to shame everybody that doesn't use condoms.


    You are absolutely correct, we are a part of the problem. This is exactly why it's important for people like DLB to make the point he is trying to make.

    The point being that there is no scandal here, nor any reason for him to feel ashamed. This is a teaching moment and he is taking it.
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    Apr 18, 2014 4:17 PM GMT
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    I don't agree that it's a given about the Board President's character or intentions - school boards and trustees exert incredible, often bizarre, pressure on their administrators. It's simply an unknown, and given the other "issues" they've had, it's plausible.

    And I don't dispute at all that he was a victim of a crime, that he proved that or anything. I'm simply saying it seems equally plausible that Dustin may be jumping to his own end and playing the gay card.


    I don't disagree that the Board President faces a great deal of pressure. My point is that you don't keep your name out of the press by creating another scandal.

    It's certainly plausible that he is playing the "gay card" in this situation but given his track record, I don't think so.

    I'm assuming you are using the "gay card" as a negative thing. Anyone who is standing up for a gay issue is basically playing the "gay card".

    Isn't it also plausible that this was an important issue to him? He is after all a gay activist. He is also someone who is currently experiencing what it's like to be shamed for something totally out of his control.

    He obviously put a lot aside in order to make time to speak at the school. I would think that anyone would become a bit irate if they were prevented from doing something they enjoy because of small minded people.

    I think it's a great time to create a teaching moment.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 18, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
    I don't understand the motivation behind taking pictures and video of yourself having sex. Is it "I'm so into myself I want to see me doing it"? And if you are remotely well-known, they will never remain private.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 18, 2014 4:27 PM GMT
    Here! Here!! ^^^^ (Creyente)
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    Apr 18, 2014 4:29 PM GMT
    ^
    I think that they were taken in his youth. Way before he was famous.
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    Apr 18, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
    I know I sound awful, but I just can't take him. It's not envy per se, but he just seems so wildly over-praised, like he's our Alicia Silverstone -- someone who did, what?, one good movie and then gets this overblown rep about how amazing he is. "I'm an actor, I'm a writer, I'm a producer, I'm a director." Name a gay issue and the press interviews him to find what Dustin Lance Black -- I can't with that name -- and his little pocket boyfriend think. I just think that there are other people who have done more and don't go around acting like they're Glinda with her magical wand. I swear, only James Franco gets his ass kissed with more regularity.
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    Elusium saidI know I sound awful, but I just can't take him. It's not envy per se, but he just seems so wildly over-praised, like he's our Alicia Silverstone -- someone who did, what?, one good movie and then gets this overblown rep about how amazing he is. "I'm an actor, I'm a writer, I'm a producer, I'm a director." Name a gay issue and the press interviews him to find what Dustin Lance Black -- I can't with that name -- and his little pocket boyfriend think. I just think that there are other people who have done more and don't go around acting like they're Glinda with her magical wand. I swear, only James Franco gets his ass kissed with more regularity.


    + 1, I feel the same way about him. You're not the only one. He has this like airy douchy superior attitude or whatever.
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    Apr 18, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
    He's no saint, and he's certainly not a paragon to be followed blindly just because he's a gay man. And it seems that unless he knows something he's not telling, that the decision wasn't anti-gay but in the best interest of the school and avoiding more negative publicity of a sexually scandalous nature. Seems like Black may be jumping the gun, or, as it was called earlier, "playing the 'gay card'". Either way, good for him that he did go to court and hold to account those who invaded his privacy and maligned him when the photos were unlawfully publicized. But that has nothing to do with whether the school thought it would be stoking a fire they've apparently been fighting on other fronts and, thus, an inappropriate action.
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    Apr 19, 2014 2:35 AM GMT
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Discrimination. Prejudice. Yada yada.

    Where are the pictures?
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    a303guy saidEloquently worded, on topic, and necessary. But I highly doubt it will change a thing, other than making Dustin feel better that he got it off his chest. Both parties have drawn their respective lines in the sand. Should the college choose to reverse their decision (highly unlikely, in my opinion) would/should Dustin choose to show up? I think that's the real question here.

    I don't think it's the REAL question, but it's a question to which I hope Dustin's answer would be "YES". Everyone makes mistakes, and to acknowledge and make amends is the best sign of humanity. If he were to refuse, to perpetuate the conflict and animosity which results from "us" being "us" would be not only counter-productive to a cause for tolerance it would be wrong and in conflict with his own integrity.

    What I think the real question is: DID the college make the decision because it was gay-themed or did the college make the decision because it didn't want a sexually-rooted "scandal" being rekindled? “With the porno professor and the sex scandals we’ve had on campus this last year, it just didn’t seem like the right time for Mr. Black to be the speaker,” Board President Anthony Fellow said. “We’ll be on the radio and on television. We just don’t want to give PCC a bad name.” This seems to not indicate anything particularly targeting of Dustin's sexuality, simply the existence of his pictures. And while it could have been more compassionately worded toward Dustin, I have to wonder if Dustin is playing "the gay card". icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yep. It's just more gay bitching.