Not sure where to go from here

  • psycotic_1

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    Dec 31, 2008 5:40 PM GMT
    so i started with the muscle-building workout. i have completed all 12 weeks and am unsure of what to do. i tried to go through the strong and lean workout but feel it isnt pushing my body the way i want to. im trying to gain weight by building muscle. so what im asking is should i go through the muscle-building workout again or is there something that will push my body a bit harder? any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    Jan 01, 2009 4:28 AM GMT
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    Jan 01, 2009 4:29 AM GMT
    flex210 saidEat.

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    Jan 01, 2009 4:32 AM GMT
    Seriously, at 5'9", and 120#, you need to get on a nutrition program that helps to bring you to a normal body weight.

    You probably should seek the help of a medical professional, unless you have an aversion to food, in which case you should probably see a mental health professional to understand why you aren't eating enough to maintain even a "normal" body weight.

    At this point you're so very tiny that it's nearly impossible to push yourself harder without some level of nutrition. Whatever the cause, you'll need to address the issues of being so very underweight first.
  • psycotic_1

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    Jan 01, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
    look i eat just about everything i can get my hands on. i have tried to gain weight for years. all I'm trying to do is get into shape so i don't get called tiny anymore. i don't have a freaking eating problem. i work out cause it makes me feel good about myself and the things around me. thanks for making me feel like a piece of shit.
  • JohnDallas

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    Jan 01, 2009 6:25 PM GMT
    Just keep working out man. The weight and the body you want will come with time. Don't give up. I was the same as you in regards to weight. I was at 6'2 and 130 lbs for years before I started working out. I gained 35 pounds over the course of four years. Still not where I want to be but will get there over time. Different work outs work for different people if you don't feel like your getting results from the one your using change it up. Good luck man.
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    Jan 01, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    Sports training is a science. Flex89 gained 74 pounds of muscle, at the age of 19, in 5 months, while lowering his body fat percentage by two points.
    Flex89 is a type 1, insulin-dependent, diabetic, and now enjoys the additional benefits of more stable blood sugar, a faster metabolism, much improved HBA1C numbers (6), and improved appearance.

    It's plain malarkey to say it should take YEARS to gain just a few pounds. If you're having that much trouble, you have a medical condition, a mental condition, or are just an idiot in your method.

    If you consume more calories than you expend, you WILL gain weight. It's that very, very, simple. Hate to break it to you (SIC), but, those are some very simple, simple, simple, facts.

    I challenge the poster to do this:
    1. Get a scale. A good electronic postal scale for about 40 bucks at Office Depot.
    2. Download the PCS 20 food calculator from the USDA.
    3. Count your calories.
    4. Bring your calories to 5000 a day.

    With proper calories, one can easily gain a pound a week, especially if he is young. With proper calories, and anabolics (AAS, insulin), it's not uncommon to gain 2.5 pounds a week, or more.

    If the poster IS eating over 5000 kcal a day and can't get over 120, he's either very active, or is medically ill.

    I'll wage a large Diet cola that he's not eating nearly enough food. It DOES NOT take years to gain weight, and saying so is wrong.

    Success is by design. It's all science, and common sense.

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    Jan 01, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
    Like flex210 said, it's hardly an art and really just as simple as eating like a pig.
  • psycotic_1

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    Jan 02, 2009 1:02 AM GMT
    well since your the only two that have said anything even romotly like that to me ill go with the majority, i dont want to look fat. sorry to break it to you but gaining weight that fast just isnt right, i look fine yeah im skinny and i think i look a hell of a lot better they the flex twins as it was put. i dont need your negative shit. thanks and peace
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    Jan 02, 2009 1:15 AM GMT
    The poster is to lazy to count his calories and apply science. Given his current methodology, or lack thereof, he WILL fail (continue to be where he is).

    He lashed out at a plan for achieving his goals, and rationalized the folks that also failed were correct, and failed to take advice from those who have been very successful. (Which, of course, makes zero sense, but, gives the poster an "out" for ongoing failure.)

    In coaching / training we regard that as a "loser client", or "uncoachable".

    I suggest the poster google on both thyroid dysfunction, and anorexia.

    If the poster eats enough he will gain. That's just how calories work.

    If the poster is not gaining, clearly he is not eating enough. This isn't difficult to ascertain. It's extremely simple to determine, and so VERY BASIC.

    The poster chooses ongoing failure, and lashes out at qualified, truthful, advice. (This is a trait typical of these sorts of folks, if fail time and time again. They refuse coaching, and take the path of least resistance, and then plead the victim.)

    He'd also be the first to whine as to why he continues to fail.

    Remember: if you continue to do things as you always have, things will remain mostly the same.

    The poster needs to step away from his I,I,I,me,me,me victim approach and open his mind to a scientific, well thought out, tried and tested approach.

    I've routinely seen young "red-shirts" (Real Jock collegiate athletes that get a "red-shirt" year off) put on 80 pounds in six months or more.

    In the case of the poster, being so very underweight, a gain of 100 pounds in six months would easily be attainable given proper nutrition.

    Sound advice is not about negative or positive. It's about coming up with a plan for success.

    I still wager the diet cola that, if the poster applied himself, and ate at 5500 kcal a day, he could gain weight, and return to a normal body weight, provided he does not have a medical disorder, or a mental disorder.

    As long as the poster is self-sabotaging, he'll continue to remain the same.
  • psycotic_1

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    Jan 02, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    so says you
    and who are you?
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    Jan 02, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    damn. Flexes.... bite your tongues. You don´t know the guy, and yet you feel free to insult him, say he has mental problems and should see a specialist etc etc. That´s out of line.

    There are different natural body types, we don´t all come in the same size, and we don´t all want to weigh 200lb or more. Yes, if we gorged ourselves we could probably get more weight, but if that is so against what his body is at naturally then why should he fight it to try and look like He Man? Why not just work WITH the body? He´s obviously an ectomorph, where as flex89 looks like a mesomorph. So it´s a different deal. Yes, the answer is eat. That is right, obviously it is. But you seem to have no idea what that means for us skinnies (or ex skinny in my case).

    You both (if there are two of you) seem to have good knowledge and flex the younger has an impressive physique from the photos on his page, but seriously guys, he asked for a little bit of constructive advice on routines, not for your amateur pyscho analysis and insults.

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    Jan 02, 2009 7:05 AM GMT
    Keep going, don't get discouraged. You might want to try a different workout routine next. There are some good books out there, though I don't have any recommendations as I haven't bought one in years and I think the ones I have are out of print. Well, I will make a recommendation since I see that you can get used copies of this book pretty cheaply on amazon. This book is Natural Bodybuilding, by Peter Neff:

    I've long ago moved on from the specific routines in there, but you might find the book helpful.

    You're obviously naturally very lean. I believe you when you say that you eat a great deal and can't gain weight because I was like you myself when I was your age. In time you probably will gain some weight. It sounds like you're not necessarily looking to get huge. I know there are people in this thread who will strongly disagree with me on this, but I do feel that for some people trying obsessively to get huge is counterproductive to actually looking good. Some of the hottest guys I've ever seen don't weigh an awful lot but look pretty damn hot and muscular.

    So I'll join those saying that you should eat a lot but don't try to force feed yourself. Eat healthily and train hard and give yourself recovery time. You seem to know what your goals are and just keep working toward them.

    Finally, I think it can be a good idea to ask for ideas about training specific bodyparts rather than such a general question.
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    Jan 02, 2009 7:26 AM GMT
    The constructive advice is to eat. KISS (Keep It Simply Silly), and STD (Spare The Drama).

    If one consumes more calories than they consume, it's clear to any person with any level of intelligence that they'll gain weight. It's truly that simple.

    He may, or may not, (please re-read the posts) have a metabolic problem, or he may, or may not, have a mental disorder such as anorexia.

    Some of you complicate a very simple problem. The poster wanted to know how to gain weight. Eat. It's literally that simple.

    The very MOST constructive routine for someone 5'9" and 120#, is EAT. Lest I say yet another time. Eat.

    Aside from the eating, I'd seriously ask the poster to consider counseling as to why he has such low esteem. If he likes being tiny, then, he shouldn't be distressed by truth. If he doesn't like being tiny, then, he should be happy to find the obvious answer. Personal esteem comes from within.

    I suspect there are a number of deeper issues, gauging the poster's response to very solid, and objective, advice.

    I've NEVER seen a healthy person who consumed (or unhealthy for that matter), more calories than they expended fail to gain weight. Every bit as much as E = MC2 this is true. It's so very simple. Spare the drama for another topic.

    Encouraging the poster to acheive 5500 kcal is a starting point to move his set point up, and to help him to realize why he continues to fail and to hopefully allow him to abandon his plan for failure. If that number (5500) is to high or to low, it can be adjusted, but, it's a good starting point with a severely under-weight person. Asking the poster to become active, and educated (cognizant), in his nutrition is very good advice. He needs to learn how his body works and the amount of fuel he's putting into, or not putting into the human machine.

    It's sad that he's so touchy, but, such is the case. Again, if you want to gain weight, you have to eat more calories than you consume. It's that simple.

    The poster was provided a plan for success, but, lashed out. He won't achieve success in that modality.
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    Jan 02, 2009 1:14 PM GMT
    I agree.. if you want to grow you eat. I´ve done it. It works. But even for me as a neutral obverver Flex210 didn´t make it easy for him to take the advice. I´m sure it wasn´t intended to be offensive, but it came across that way to me (and obviously to .pyscotic too which is what matters).

    Getting used to the realistic potential you have in terms of size is a first step. I´m never going to be "big", and don´t want to be. I´m happy with the size I am (pretty much icon_wink.gif another 5lb or so wouldn´t be a bad thing) Then the aim is to fulfil that potential.

    Wishing you all a great 2009 and that you meet your training goals/have a good time in the gym

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    Jan 02, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    I would say keep working out and Eat
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    Jan 02, 2009 10:07 PM GMT
    I feel your pain. I'm the same build as you and have always had trouble gaining weight. I've gotten to the same point you have. I've put on some muscle and now need to push my body a bit harder to start seeing results again.
    My suggestion is to look into workouts and nutrition plans designed specifically for people with our body type, ectomorphs (sometimes called hard gainers). Then just piece them together in whatever way works best for your body. I've had a difficult time finding information specifically geared to that, so I've started to put together some of the resources that were helpful to me on a blog.

    Hope that is a helpful starting point. What has worked best for me so far are short workouts at a high intensity. I find that this way I don't burn as many calories as in a longer workout so it keeps the calories I need to consume down to a more manageable level.
  • psycotic_1

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    Jan 04, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    ok so i do understand i need to eat and i thank you all for the concern. but i do eat and i eat healthy. i do not want to gain a substantial amount of weight in a short amount of time and to suggest i have mental problems is just asinine. im am not unhealthy in anyway i think if i wasnt eating enought or had mental problems there would be a repercussion of health issues. i want to gain weight but i want to do it naturally not with protien shakes or with supplements or vitamins. ill eat alot of steak and work out. thank you all the the advice.
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:42 PM GMT
    "Natural" weight gain LOL!
  • canuckdave

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    Jan 04, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
    Just to throw a monkey wrench into the equation, are both flexes "natural" as in never used illegal anabolic steroids to gain their mass. Obviously the easiest way to gain mass is to cheat and use steroids and other perfomnace enhancing techniques. I see it repated over and over on all these sites, I ask guys, and the useres will admit that is the key to their size. Will live in a time of instant gratification replacing hard work and descipliThe bar just gets raied to more absurd heights with every new way to cheat. We all need to step back and re-evaluate what the hell we're doing in this quest for the useless body beautiful. Most of us certainly don't need to lift heavy objects. Your definition is incredible, you're probably very healthy, have great cardio-vascular fitnes and you should be extemely proud of your ripped accomplishments so far. You've gotten some good advice about nutrition here. I've gained 10 pounds in 4 years and am in the bst shape of my life and about to compete. It just takes time to do it naturally. Stay the course
  • red_series

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    Jan 04, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    I have to agree with the eating thing: you need to eat to get big/bigger. If you gain a little weight you can always cut down/adjust your diet. That said, if you're eating clean (at least I've found) that 'bad' weight gain is pretty minimal.

    As for not wanting to use supplements. it just means you'll have to eat even more food, nothing wrong with a little protein powder.
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    Jan 04, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
    I love the excuses for failure, when the plan is easy. If you eat more calories than you consume, you WILL gain weight, as sure as the sun will rise in the morning.

    In my case, I weighed 175 at 12% at 17 at 5'5". In the case of flex89, he gained 74 pounds of muscle, in five months, and lowered his fat by 2% by doing HIIT, and lifting high reps, without any magic pills, all while being a type 1 diabetic, at 19, and 5'10", at 208. flex89 eats a minimum of six times per day (good clean stuff like chicken, grits, and veggies), following my diet and training methods. I've helped numerous young men (without the fragile egos of the poster) achieve their training goals, time and again.

    I haven't been as thin as 120 since I was in grade school. I grew up eating good.

    Everyone has gotten off track, trying to be politically correct. The poster's question was how to gain weight. The poster did not stipulate that he would not drink weight gainer, or that he wouldn't eat carbs. The poster said he was tired of being called "tiny" but at 5'9" and 120# that's an adept description of his body. The poster took great exception to the fact that if he is in fact eating, then he must surely be physically ill, mentally ill, or be more active than what he's eating.

    All the drama and I,I,I,me,me,me, victim mentality of the poster aside, the fact remains that if he does not have a physical illness, mental illness, he WILL, very much IN FACT, gain weight if he consumes more calories than he expends. I didn't stipulate where those calories would come from, but, went to the effort of showing the poster how to monitor, and compute those calories, and what he might do to make sure he was in a good state of health.

    Many folks who are very thin have metabolic disorders caused by hyper-active thyroid, or they're anorexic, and undiagnosed.

    The advice I gave was sound, with a plan for success. The poster wasted our efforts by continuing to sabotage his own, saying he wanted to eat steak. Now, he could eat steak and potatoes several times a day, and, if he monitors his calories he WILL gain weight.

    In a word, to be successful, there's no special pill, nor potion: EAT.

    The poster is what a trainer or coach would call un-coachable, sabotaging good sound coaching, and continuing to complain about failure, and being very insecure at every corner. No one has said the poster is ill. He needs to eat, and, he needs to understand why he feels he needs to lash out at others who take the time to help him achieve his goal, and why he can't understand why successful folks are successful (why he resents that).
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    Jan 07, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    I put this in another thread too, but just re-read it and it´s so helpful.

    And pyscotic_1 hasn´t got attitude problems. (yawn)