LGBT conservatives are NO myth.

  • MarkGage20

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    Apr 25, 2014 4:30 AM GMT
    Yeah, there's LGBT conservatives that exist (such as I.) YES, we do exist. We've existed for a LONG while now, however, some (but not all) of our "tolerant and accepting" liberal counterparts don't like to hear from us, much. In fact, some of them think we're brainwashed and that "we go against our own people." What also gets us is that the moment some of them find our that we got different beliefs in politics from them, it turns into WW3 for some of these people, which is pretty stupid.

    I made my own page on Facebook. "Mark Gage: The Patriotic Gay Christian Conservative." To break molds. To show these bastards that "hey, guys/girls like me DO exist." And that we're not all racist, bible-thumpin' bigots that some of them claim us to be. Plus it's not only for LGBT conservatives but it's also for my straight counterparts, my Christian counterparts, and my patriotic-as-hell counterparts that are tired of the liberal media defining us and demonizing us.

    I don't expect some award because of my sexuality. I only show this to the ignorant bastards that think "oh you can't be gay and conservative." That's like saying "you can't be black and conservative because it's nothing but racist white people." (Which has happened to my black friends, which is unfortunate.) We're JUST as diverse as our liberal counterparts. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 25, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    Get the chip off your shoulder. There are lots of gay right-wingers on this site. Have a good time.
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    Apr 25, 2014 4:33 AM GMT
    Its interesting all the conservative gays I found are the twinkiest kind.
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    Apr 25, 2014 5:02 AM GMT
    Not me.......
  • MikeW

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    Apr 25, 2014 5:10 AM GMT
    There's a whole "News and Politics" forum:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/73
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    Apr 25, 2014 5:20 AM GMT
    So, Mark, what are your positions on the following topics:

    1. "Same-Sex Marriage"?
    2. "Same-Sex Adoption"?
    3. "Employment protections against discrimination based on Sexual Orientation"?
    4. "Housing protections against discrimination based on Sexual Orientation"?
    5. "Hate crime protections when the crime is committed against LGBT persons simply because a person is LGBT"?
    6. "Open LGBT service in the U.S. Armed Forces"?
    7. "Governmental Entity Budgeting"
    8. "Public Education"
    9. "Tax Exempt Treatment of Churches"

    I'm very interested to hear what your "Patriotic Gay Christian Conservative" viewpoints are on these topics.

    Open the debate.
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    Apr 25, 2014 5:23 AM GMT
    Whoever said that they were a myth?
  • tj85016

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    Apr 25, 2014 6:06 AM GMT
    lol I don't even know what "conservative" means anywore. would you have:

    1. Bailed out JPMorgan/Chase and Wells Fargo?
    2. Bailed out GM?
    3. Allowed same-sex marriage?
    4. Bombed Libya because they wanted to trade their oil in Chinese Yuan?
    5. Allow secret FISA courts to exist?
    6. Ban abortion?
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    Apr 25, 2014 6:10 AM GMT
    The sky is also blue.

    But we moved on from that a long time ago.
  • MikeW

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    Apr 25, 2014 6:54 AM GMT
    Mark, have you ever been outside of San Antonio without your parents for any length of time? It's a big world out here. Lots of room for all kinds of people to think and live however they want. That's what "freedom" is, don't cha know, not only the right, but the ability -- perhaps even the responsibility -- to think for yourself and live your life the way you want to.

    I bet you don't much like other people -- especially other people you don't know and who may think differently than you do -- telling you how you ought to think and behave. Am I right about that? Well, that's the way a lot of us feel. So, I personally don't give a shit what you call yourself, which particular label you wear or box you want to put yourself in. What I care about is whether you're a good man or not, you know, someone with a good heart and soul and hopefully some sign of intelligence. That, to me, is far more important than what someone calls themselves.
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    Apr 25, 2014 7:36 AM GMT
    You exist only in dreams. When I wake up; poof.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 25, 2014 8:13 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidYou exist only in dreams. When I wake up; poof.


  • umphreak

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    Apr 25, 2014 1:14 PM GMT
    Hrm... Obvious chip on your shoulder, check! Using tolerant in quotes, check! Strawman arguments, check! Calling your "opponents" names, check! Cursing the "liberal media", check! Attacking those you want to reach, check!

    Congrats. Looks like you'll fit in with our current political discourse perfectly. Welcome to being part of the problem.
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    Apr 25, 2014 1:28 PM GMT
    ElectroShark saidGet the chip off your shoulder. There are lots of gay right-wingers on this site. Have a good time.

    If you tell him that he won't feel the exceptionalism he craves.
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    Apr 25, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
    Asking him if he agrees with every single policy that the right has had a stance on is absurd, you don't have to agree with everything that a politician says to think that they are the better candidate. There is much more to it than just LGBT rights which some believe would be moving along fine regardless of who controls the majority since there is still some balance in DC that tries to keep any immoral policy off the books. He could also hold the belief that those issues won't matter if the country isn't worth living in anyway. I'm sure that those who subscribe to the left don't always agree with what is being put out from their politician's camps. Before anyone starts to attack me and say that I'm defending my fellow conservative whatever I have never voted for a GOP member, but I have also never voted for and Democrat, I loathe both.
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    Apr 25, 2014 2:13 PM GMT
    MikeW saidMark, have you ever been outside of San Antonio without your parents for any length of time? It's a big world out here. Lots of room for all kinds of people to think and live however they want. That's what "freedom" is, don't cha know, not only the right, but the ability -- perhaps even the responsibility -- to think for yourself and live your life the way you want to.

    I was also a loyal Republican as a kid and young man, because my parents were both Republican public office holders, family tradition and all that. My first vote ever was for my mother, via absentee ballot from Ft. Benning, Georgia.

    And then I grew up, as you indicate. Not to mention, as many have said here before, the Republican Party began to move radically to the extreme Right, incorporating as its strongest base the old Southern Segregationists and Christian Evangelicals.

    BTW, I lived 4 years in San Antonio, too, if we are to rely upon the OP's profile. Not a very gay-friendly place.

    I don't wish this upon him, but his belief that: "...we're not all racist, bible-thumpin' bigots that some of them claim us to be" may not apply to many of his fellow San Antonians. I'd be careful when I walked past a neighborhood ice house, lest the journey go unfinished.

    Then maybe his view of these things might morph. Like you, I sense some insulated & idealized attitudes here. Or maybe something else, that doesn't entirely fit a 19-year-old?
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    Apr 25, 2014 3:17 PM GMT
    Was Jesus a conservative? What do you think he'd say to conservatives if he was around today?
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    Apr 25, 2014 3:24 PM GMT
    Mark good on you for having the balls to post what you did! As expected (or as you should have expected), most of the replies are coming from those you "call out" by name or inference. The conservative, and particularly Christian, gay community is a microcosm of the LGBT society at large. And regardless of what many say, they are loathed for taking a pro-biblical stance. There will always be a double standard with regard to the topics discussed in this forum: if you support gay marriage you're "enlightened" and "transcendent." If you oppose it, even in the most loving and respectful way then you're classified as a bigot with a spot waiting for you "at the stakes." Just how it is I'm afraid.
    Regardless, I respect your position and willingness to identify as a conservative, gay Christian. THAT is a very difficult position to be in, in this day and age. Keep the faith and don't let the real bigots deter you.
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    Apr 25, 2014 3:30 PM GMT
    I never thought of republican gays as being a myth. More a fable. An Aesop's Fable, particularly that one about the scorpion and the frog.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 25, 2014 3:30 PM GMT
    Jdub13 saidMark good on you for having the balls to post what you did! As expected (or as you should have expected), most of the replies are coming from those you "call out" by name or inference. The conservative, and particularly Christian, gay community is a microcosm of the LGBT society at large. And regardless of what many say, they are loathed for taking a pro-biblical stance. There will always be a double standard with regard to the topics discussed in this forum: if you support gay marriage you're "enlightened" and "transcendent." If you oppose it, even in the most loving and respectful way then you're classified as a bigot with a spot waiting for you "at the stakes." Just how it is I'm afraid.
    Regardless, I respect your position and willingness to identify as a conservative, gay Christian. THAT is a very difficult position to be in, in this day and age. Keep the faith and don't let the real bigots deter you.

    There are Christians who support gay marriage. Get with the program!!

    As someone who is getting married, I can say that there is no loving way to be against my marriage.

    You'd have to be ignorant of what love is, both in gay and straight couples, to be against anyone's marriage.
  • jaroslav123

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    Apr 25, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
    My initial question to this post would be: how are you conservative? The left-right spectrum has been blurred somewhat recently (especially in the UK, not so sure about in terms of US politics).

    When you say 'conservative' are you conservative in terms of social issues: anti gay-marriage, anti gay-adoption, anti-abortion, anti-immigration?

    Or conservative/right-wing in terms of economics: pro-capitalism, pro free-market economy....
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    Apr 25, 2014 3:56 PM GMT
    MarkGage20 saidYeah, there's LGBT conservatives that exist (such as I.) YES, we do exist. We've existed for a LONG while now, however, some (but not all) of our "tolerant and accepting" liberal counterparts don't like to hear from us, much. In fact, some of them think we're brainwashed and that "we go against our own people." What also gets us is that the moment some of them find our that we got different beliefs in politics from them, it turns into WW3 for some of these people, which is pretty stupid.

    I made my own page on Facebook. "Mark Gage: The Patriotic Gay Christian Conservative." To break molds. To show these bastards that "hey, guys/girls like me DO exist." And that we're not all racist, bible-thumpin' bigots that some of them claim us to be. Plus it's not only for LGBT conservatives but it's also for my straight counterparts, my Christian counterparts, and my patriotic-as-hell counterparts that are tired of the liberal media defining us and demonizing us.

    I don't expect some award because of my sexuality. I only show this to the ignorant bastards that think "oh you can't be gay and conservative." That's like saying "you can't be black and conservative because it's nothing but racist white people." (Which has happened to my black friends, which is unfortunate.) We're JUST as diverse as our liberal counterparts. icon_smile.gif


    well, that's fine to hold true to your convictions. so take back your party. your primary struggle isn't with the opposite party on rj; it's within your own party; you have more than enough enemies there. take it back.
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    Apr 25, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    Jdub13 saidMark good on you for having the balls to post what you did! As expected (or as you should have expected), most of the replies are coming from those you "call out" by name or inference. The conservative, and particularly Christian, gay community is a microcosm of the LGBT society at large. And regardless of what many say, they are loathed for taking a pro-biblical stance. There will always be a double standard with regard to the topics discussed in this forum: if you support gay marriage you're "enlightened" and "transcendent." If you oppose it, even in the most loving and respectful way then you're classified as a bigot with a spot waiting for you "at the stakes." Just how it is I'm afraid.
    Regardless, I respect your position and willingness to identify as a conservative, gay Christian. THAT is a very difficult position to be in, in this day and age. Keep the faith and don't let the real bigots deter you.

    Mark does deserve credit for expressing himself and for a young guy from a conservative area that's a good thing. I think the two terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost their meaning on most. We don't need to build an alliance with a single faction. There are plenty of aspect of both the conservative side and the liberal side, as they are known, that most people embrace. These two terms represent only a political stance but in reality that is only because there is not a lé cart option. We prioritize our beliefs, monetary, religious, societal, etc the way we feel they rank in importance but because we only have to categories to belong, we're usually tagged with the one closest to our highest priority.

    You also have to distinguish between what you believe is best for society and what you believe is a 'right' of society. Equality is an example and if you believe in that, then you embrace causes that promote that. Your political stance on many issues is what you believe is best overall for society but never lose sight that as you grow and learn, what you believe is dynamic and needs continual reevaluation. Many of us have changed our position based upon our experience, knowledge, changes in politics and in society.

    Nothing wrong with LGBT conservatives but prepare for battle if your beliefs infringe on rights because that's the area where neither conservatives nor liberal should be able to deny all of society.
  • jaroslav123

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    Apr 25, 2014 4:08 PM GMT
    [quote]Nothing wrong with LGBT conservatives but prepare for battle if your beliefs infringe on rights because that's the area where neither conservatives nor liberal should be able to deny all of society.[/quote]

    Strongly agreed.
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    Apr 25, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
    D3K_ saidIts interesting all the conservative gays I found are the twinkiest kind.


    Are you complimenting them or insulting them?