Oklahoma Public School High School Bible Class: Sinners Will Suffer

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    Apr 26, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
    A high school curriculum supported by Hobby Lobby chain president Steve Green, billed as a way to teach archaeology, history and the arts through Bible stories, also tells students God is always there in times of trouble and that sinners must "suffer the consequences" of disobeying.

    The Mustang School Board in suburban Oklahoma City voted this month to place the Museum of the Bible's curriculum in its schools as an elective for a one-year trial after being assured that the intent is not to proselytize but to use the Bible to explain key principles in the arts and sciences.

    The course is promoted by Green, the executive for the crafts store chain who is also a member of the Bible museum's board. Green, who has said he wants the program in thousands of schools by 2017, declined to speak to the Associated Press.


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    Apr 26, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
    I will not be surprised if Texas follows suit by establishing a similar elective in its public schools. Same for Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.
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    Apr 26, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    It's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
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    Apr 26, 2014 4:20 PM GMT
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.
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    Apr 26, 2014 4:24 PM GMT
    I don't know how many of you shop at "Hobby Lobby", but I'm always studded how much some of their holiday and seasonal items cost (regular price) and then a huge sale!
    Marked 60% off... and it's about the average price somewhere else. The regular prices are ridiculous...
    such a very "Christian" thing to do, of course.

    I've thought about boycotting the place, this might be enough to get me in gear.
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    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 26, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.
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    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.
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    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.


    I'm living in Texas right now (not from here, just for college) and I'll just advise you guys to save off Austin from becoming part of "Dumbfuckistan," since it's a raging liberal paradise. Don't let Austin go!
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    Apr 26, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    Mustang31894 said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.


    I'm living in Texas right now (not from here, just for college) and I'll just advise you guys to save off Austin from becoming part of "Dumbfuckistan," since it's a raging liberal paradise. Don't let Austin go!
    I used to live in Austin and it isn't as liberal as it appears on the surface. On the contrary, that shitty, miserable town is a very hypocritical place. Austinites are only liberal and progressive when it suits them. Otherwise they are just like the rest of that giant tea party shithole known as Texas. Austin would gladly become Dumbfuckistan's national capital and as far as I am concerned the US can easily afford to let Austin go. We don't need it or any other part of TexASS.

    You need to go to college in another state. UT is horrendously overrated just like rinky dink, suburban Austin. Get out of there and come back to the real America.
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    roadbikeRob said
    Mustang31894 said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.


    I'm living in Texas right now (not from here, just for college) and I'll just advise you guys to save off Austin from becoming part of "Dumbfuckistan," since it's a raging liberal paradise. Don't let Austin go!
    I used to live in Austin and it isn't as liberal as it appears on the surface. On the contrary, that shitty, miserable town is a very hypocritical place. Austinites are only liberal and progressive when it suits them. Otherwise they are just like the rest of that giant tea party shithole known as Texas. Austin would gladly become Dumbfuckistan's national capital and as far as I am concerned the US can easily afford to let Austin go. We don't need it or any other part of TexASS.


    Well, technically speaking, the US can definitely afford to let Texas go, but our economy would be immediately impacted. You gotta keep in mind how rich of a state Texas is and how a good number of fortune 500 companies reside in Dallas alone. We'd also lose a lot of great universities (Rice, for example). Hate to say it, but Texas isn't as useless as it appears. But if push came to shove (let's fantasize all we want, but secession will probably not be an issue), I'd still be down to let them go, but I'm cooler with changing the state from the inside. And I've never had that experience with Austin, but you lived there, so your word's stronger than mine.

    Oh, and I actually go to SMU, not UT. Crazy, huh?
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    When I was in skool, they got away with this by releasing students who "chose" those electives to walk down the street to the church basement for the actual instruction. The kids just saw this as a way to get out of part of the skool day.

    On the other hand, not long ago, when I was teaching at the community college, a bible-thumping type of student turned in a term paper on leprosy that heavily quoted the christian bible. It was not a bad piece of scholarship for a cc student. The bible passages were quoted to show how the ancients thought of and dealt with the disease - (though at times you were asked to accept that a certain phrase was a euphemism for leprosy. Or that "leper" was a euphemism for all sorts of other things.) I mean, I'm sure that all those references came from some other source - it's a CC, after all. But compared to some of the other "efforts" at writing, it deserved an "A."
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    roadbikeRob said
    Mustang31894 said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.


    I'm living in Texas right now (not from here, just for college) and I'll just advise you guys to save off Austin from becoming part of "Dumbfuckistan," since it's a raging liberal paradise. Don't let Austin go!
    I used to live in Austin and it isn't as liberal as it appears on the surface. On the contrary, that shitty, miserable town is a very hypocritical place. Austinites are only liberal and progressive when it suits them. Otherwise they are just like the rest of that giant tea party shithole known as Texas. Austin would gladly become Dumbfuckistan's national capital and as far as I am concerned the US can easily afford to let Austin go. We don't need it or any other part of TexASS.

    You need to go to college in another state. UT is horrendously overrated just like rinky dink, suburban Austin. Get out of there and come back to the real America.
    Buffalo? No fucking thanks.
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    Apr 26, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    You know Texas matters when a discussion about public schools in Oklahoma morphs into a discussion about Texas.
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    Apr 26, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    Mustang31894 said
    roadbikeRob said
    Mustang31894 said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.

    The Republican Governor of Texas has talked about seceding from the Union. I'd let them do it.

    Without the US military to protect them, Mexico would quickly reassert sovereignty rights over Texas going back to 1847. Instead of worrying about Mexicans crossing their border, they would BECOME Mexicans, every one of them.

    A wonderful irony I would welcome. And then the US could close off the borders to Texans trying to illegally cross into the US. Lovely. icon_biggrin.gif
    There is one thorny problem, what are we going to do with I-10, that damned interstate runs right through the heart of that 267,000 square mile tea party shithole.

    Block it, demolish it as it approaches Texas. We can always build another highway, divert I-10 as it leaves Louisiana. Same with the other roads.


    I'm living in Texas right now (not from here, just for college) and I'll just advise you guys to save off Austin from becoming part of "Dumbfuckistan," since it's a raging liberal paradise. Don't let Austin go!
    I used to live in Austin and it isn't as liberal as it appears on the surface. On the contrary, that shitty, miserable town is a very hypocritical place. Austinites are only liberal and progressive when it suits them. Otherwise they are just like the rest of that giant tea party shithole known as Texas. Austin would gladly become Dumbfuckistan's national capital and as far as I am concerned the US can easily afford to let Austin go. We don't need it or any other part of TexASS.


    Well, technically speaking, the US can definitely afford to let Texas go, but our economy would be immediately impacted. You gotta keep in mind how rich of a state Texas is and how a good number of fortune 500 companies reside in Dallas alone. We'd also lose a lot of great universities (Rice, for example). Hate to say it, but Texas isn't as useless as it appears. But if push came to shove (let's fantasize all we want, but secession will probably not be an issue), I'd still be down to let them go, but I'm cooler with changing the state from the inside. And I've never had that experience with Austin, but you lived there, so your word's stronger than mine.

    Oh, and I actually go to SMU, not UT. Crazy, huh?
    You need to keep in mind that most of the fortune 500 companies headquartered in cities like Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, and Austin were wrongfully pirated from other states through the promise of cheap land and low taxes. If it were not for the knowhow from the northeast, Midwest, and the western states, Texas would have been an impoverished, desolate backwater. It is Texas that needs the US, but the US really doesn't need Texas because most of its wealth originated from elsewhere. Other than its oil and natural gas reserves, Texas really has nothing else to offer the US in terms of economic value. The US can easily afford to let Texas go and become Dumbfuckistan with Austin as its national capital. I doubt that Mexico even wants it. My biggest mistake was living for nine years in that hot, godforsaken hellhole known as Texas. I am so thankful for being out of there and back in a real city in a beautiful state. Buffalo is ten times better than Austin and that is the absolute truth. As for changing Texas from the inside, that will never happen. Texas will always be stubbornly religious and ultra conservative. I will not be surprised if Texas is successful in getting that federal court ruling compelling it to recognize gay marriage completely overturned.
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    Apr 26, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    KJSharp saidYou know Texas matters when a discussion about public schools in Oklahoma morphs into a discussion about Texas.
    That is because Texas and Oklahoma are very similar in their attitudes, culture, and politics. Both are staunchly red, republican states.
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    Apr 26, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    Most public schools: People who don't recycle will suffer at our hands.
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    Apr 26, 2014 7:57 PM GMT
    "...use the Bible to explain key principles in the...sciences"

    To me that is the disturbing element of the story. I cannot think of a single scientific principle that is accurately described or explained in scripture. If students want to study the Bible, then they should be allowed to, but the Bible is not a science text book and should not be used to demonstrate any scientific principle. This seems like a thinly veiled attempt to supplant science with creationism.

  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 26, 2014 8:02 PM GMT
    I'm sure all these social conservatives would be fine with a public school course on Islam that teaches the Koran... right?
    Haha... more like they would sooner burn down the schools. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 26, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
    geesh, haven't they suffered enough by living in Oklahoma?
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    Apr 26, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidgeesh, haven't they suffered enough by living in Oklahoma?
    It can be worse my friend, they could be living south of the Red River in TexASS.
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    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.


    Nice idea but not practical at all. I believe the best solution fight this on the grounds of lawsuit. Although I'm making this very condensed, the separation of church and state needs to be maintained in any facility using taxpayer dollars.
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    Apr 26, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
    TakoTaiko said
    roadbikeRob said
    ElectroShark saidIt's time to let these people have their own country, carved out of Alabama and Mississippi and a couple of other states. We'll call it "Dumbfuckistan".
    Just give them the entire state of Texas, 267,000 square miles of geography should be sufficient enough for Dumbfuckistan.


    Nice idea but not practical at all. I believe the best solution fight this on the grounds of lawsuit. Although I'm making this very condensed, the separation of church and state needs to be maintained in any facility using taxpayer dollars.
    Most Texans don't support the concept of separation of church and state calling it a myth by liberals and progressives. That is why it would be far easier to just permanently boot Texas out of the union rather than going through costly, time consuming lawsuits at taxpayers expense.
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    Huh, the course is an elective.

    As usual with liberals, its your way or the highway. If another liberal doesn't agree with you, they get thrown under the bus.
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    mx5guynj saidHuh, the course is an elective.

    As usual with liberals, its your way or the highway. If another liberal doesn't agree with you, they get thrown under the bus.

    Yeah, all except for that pesky Constitution thingie. But you people don't care about that. Hell, you don't even know what's in it.