'As a doctor, I’d rather have HIV than diabetes'

  • metta

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    Apr 27, 2014 4:04 AM GMT
    'As a doctor, I’d rather have HIV than diabetes'

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    One of the most feared diseases in the world is now, for British doctors, a manageable chronic condition. It’s a triumph we’re oddly scared to talk about

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9185591/why-id-rather-have-hiv-than-diabetes/
  • metta

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    Apr 27, 2014 4:13 AM GMT
    I think I understand why we fear to talk about it. I mean, we are afraid of people thinking that they don't need to take precautions to prevent it because it is manageable for most people. I still think that it is much better to not have a disease than to have one that is manageable. There are side affects to drugs. I'm sure that those HIV drugs have side affects as well.


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    Apr 27, 2014 5:07 AM GMT
    ^^Amen.

    I've buried many friends over the past 29+ years that I've lived with HIV.

    And, what's nice is that HIV related health issues are preventable with regular and consistent condom use. A condom allows both persons to really relax because they both know that a safety barrier is in place.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:12 PM GMT

    Diabetes isn't contagious...nor are all doctors the same level of intelligent.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:36 PM GMT
    I think this statement is a bit of an exaggeration. Type II diabetes is manageable (w/ weight loss, healthy diet and regular exercise). HIV treatment, on the other hand, has much side effects.

    Plus, I agree, that such statements may encourage some to practice unsafe sex (once the fear of HIV is minimized). This doctor doesn't seem too responsible.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:44 PM GMT
    So....on our RJ profile and profiles on other hookup sites, should they drop "HIV Status" and add a check off for "DIABETES"....and your most recent A1C?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    I think people like this doctor send the wrong message about this disease, HIV. The reality is, it is still a killer and its not manageable like diabetes, my brother has type II and he is living a very healthy life and is not on medication every single day of his life to survive. He doesn't have this constant reminder of medication or the reality of knowing your viral loads, special kinda diets (of course, he eats much healthier now and can get away with some old favorites every now and then).

    I just think the two are completely different spectrums when it comes to diseases.
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    Apr 27, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
    I'm going to assume that this particular doctor has neither HIV nor Diabetes, and I therefore find his statement utterly arrogant and offensive.

    Given the choice, I'd rather not be diabetic either. I'm a Type 1 and I just can't "get rid of it", and I certainly didn't choose to have it, but I can manage it and I have been managing it rather effectively my entire life.

    To say how readily you'd be willing to trade one manageable ailment for another just proves you've never had to manage a chronic condition in your life, and this guy just needs to shut the fuck up.

    OK... getting down off my soapbox now...
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:40 PM GMT
    GAMRican said^^Amen.

    I've buried many friends over the past 29+ years that I've lived with HIV.

    And, what's nice is that HIV related health issues are preventable with regular and consistent condom use. A condom allows both persons to really relax because they both know that a safety barrier is in place.


    But condoms do break, and thats why it's safer sex, and not safe sex, as no sex is the safest. I too have lost way to many to HIV over the past 30 years. But life goes on normally for me as a diabetic. It does not effect my sex life, and the only way I could pass it on, would be by creating another life, and pass it on to them though genetics; the same way I got it.
  • Nakedman1969

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    Apr 27, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    I have had diabetes and I had trouble controling it but I would take over HIV any time!!!!!
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    Apr 27, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    Doctors say the darnedest things.

    At first, he seemed to be recommending we take diabetes more seriously, which is good advice. But, toward the end, it became clear he was recommending we take HIV less seriously, which is very bad advice.
  • Pontifex

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    Apr 27, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    I'm sure the doctor was talking about type 1 diabetes since type 2 can frequently be managed with no more than a proper diet and exercise. I don't think I would trade being a type 1 diabetic for being infected with HIV. Both diseases require constant monitoring and medication. I also know that it is likely diabetes that will eventually kill me. There will be a time when I'm older and I get sick with something serious and the extra complications caused by the disease will make it more difficult or impossible to recover. Infections can wildly change my bs level. I might be unable to exercise which is also a valuable component of how I manage the disease.

    I think there are similarities between a lot of chronic diseases but I know that if I take care of myself I will likely be around long past retirement with the current state of medicine. Just like HIV, the treatments for diabetes have drastically improved life expectancy within the last 15 years.
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    Apr 27, 2014 8:48 PM GMT
    I've heard a lot of doctors say a lot of stupid shit.
  • toastvenom

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    Apr 27, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
    I think what the doctor is getting at in the macrocosmic sense is how this virus, once feared and known so little about and considered to be a death sentence thirty years ago has become a manageable chronic condition. Yes, it is a bit retarded saying/comparing the complications of a disease with another. I think he is just deconstructing the stigma and prognosis that HIV once had on a mass level.
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    Apr 27, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Diabetes isn't contagious...nor are all doctors the same level of intelligent.


    +1 indeed.
    I wonder what the view is like when Cancer is thrown on the roulette.

    Above all Knowingness is better than Speculations; as to Prevention rather than a Cure.

    As in all hereditary one should know the genetic makeups in the family where possible *especially this! Diabetes is a creative killer.
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    Apr 27, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    I'm looking for the bright side in this topic and it seems to be eluding me for some reason. I haven't the foggiest as to why, but it must have something to do with the topic title.
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    Apr 28, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle, I haven't read any post on here vilifying people living with HIV.

    You make some great points. I think, though, that if people were to treat HIV in the manner you describe people behaving who have or are at risk for diabetes (as in not taking care of themselves, not taking their meds etc) you'd find a very high mortality rate indeed.

    There is at least one poster (3 at last count)on this topic who is/are diabetic.

    As for doctors, we have a few in our extended family and they tell us that there are A, B, and C grade doctors, and they all get their licenses to practice.

    Just for clarity, I believe the doctor in all fairness should have been comparing people who have diabetes and are looking after it to those who have HIV and are looking after it, rather than diabetics who are NOT looking after themselves to HIV+ men who ARE looking after themselves.

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  • FRE0

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    Apr 28, 2014 1:48 AM GMT
    GAMRican said^^Amen.

    I've buried many friends over the past 29+ years that I've lived with HIV.

    And, what's nice is that HIV related health issues are preventable with regular and consistent condom use. A condom allows both persons to really relax because they both know that a safety barrier is in place.


    What about condoms for oral sex? HIV (and other STDs) can be transmitted via oral sex, yet few guys use condoms for oral sex.
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    Apr 28, 2014 2:03 AM GMT
    "I rather have unprotected sex with someone who was HIV positive than be cursed with diabetes"

    Way to make the person you contracted the disease from feel less guilty about giving you HIV- but oh god those poor diabetics, they're so hopeless...


    What an insensitive comparison.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 28, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidA lot of cynicism in this thread and quite frankly, ignorance.

    When I was being treated for cancer years ago, the nurse and doctor actually brought this up nearly seven years ago. The nurse looked me in the face and said that she'd rather have HIV than diabetes and went on to explain why.

    Firstly, although diabetes can be controlled look at how many people develop diabetes and do not take the precautions to control their diabetes through a healthy lifestyle. Serious medical issues can result from lack of adherence to necessary restrictions when it comes to proper diet. When a diabetic does not adhere to proper diet or fails to take insulin bodily tissues eventually start to fail. Renal failure, loss of eyesight and eventually blindness and loss of limbs just to name a few. Over time, diabetics will be at a greater risk for heart attack and stroke due to uncontrolled glucose levels for overly extended periods of time.

    My guess is that many of you are not familiar with the wretched diabetic coma which can be life threatening simply due to dehydration. Imagine the fear of slipping into a coma simply from dehydration and never waking up!

    I'm guessing that not many of you have or have had intimate relationships with people who have advanced diabetes. My father had it and it compounded his other health struggles that claimed his life at the young age of fifty-four. My friend's mother had to have both legs amputated (one was removed first and the second one years later)which was a result of diabetes.

    As of 2010 there were over 28 million people living with diabetes and the cost of medical care for people struggling with diabetes, including lost wages, averaged around $174 billion.

    In contrast, 1.1 million people in America are HIV+.

    In 2010, 1.9 million people over the age of twenty were diagnosed with diabetes. In just one year more people developed diabetes than the current entire American population living with HIV!

    According to the CDC over 68,000 people die annually from diabetes related illness. In contrast, just over 9,00 people die annually from HIV.

    Those of you who are commenting on HIV as if you know what it's like have no place. I am on medication and am undetectable and the medication gives me no side effects. I will admit that I am fortunate. But it's a bit laughable that those of you that think you can usurp a medical professional's opinion on the matter when none of you have any medical training or exposure to what these professionals deal with on a day to day basis. Who do you think you are and do you honestly think you can invalidate an HIV doctor's opinion?

    I think those of you on your high horses should reconsider the rampant obesity that America faces and how it is closely linked to diabetes. It's really out of control. Even with current medical trends and AAAALLLL the information we have about how to eat well and follow a healthy diet, diabetes is still out of control and by 2050 a third of the American population is predicted to have diabetes. So many of you blindly ignore all of this.

    Regarding HIV, it is of paramount importance to maintain an undetectable viral load and live a healthy lifestyle. I'm not justifying my HIV infection by providing this contribution but I am saying that after knowing from first hand what diabetes can do, as well as being educated on statistics and how easy or difficult it is to manage both diseases, I personally would rather have HIV. The only downside I experience is having to put up with all the shaming and vilification from my fellow gay brethren, if I can even call them that. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Sources:

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

    http://www.fairfoundation.org/factslinks.htm


    I call bullshit, no nurse WOULD EVER say "I'd rather have HIV than diabetes" that's just bullshit
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    Apr 28, 2014 2:11 AM GMT
    So many exciting new diseases, I can't decide WHICH one I want...
  • gymlocker

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    Apr 28, 2014 7:19 AM GMT
    This doctor should have prefaced his remarks with...

    "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV"....

    Just goes to show you, 12 years of pre-college, four years of college, four years of medical school and internships, and some people still go brain dead when a microphone is put in front of their face.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 28, 2014 10:58 AM GMT
    bullshit, no nurse is going to tell a patient she'd rather have HIV than diabetes, and if she did (which I highly doubt) she should be brought before the hospital's Ethics Board
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    Apr 28, 2014 12:29 PM GMT
    So I just saw this thread right now... Intriguing title.... Captivated by Gamrican and meninlove's responses and then soon after their posts, it turned into bickering little school girls (surprise surprise)... Since I do not have HIV nor Diabetes I feel I can't make any strong contributions to the original theme of this thread except that someone must have to be in a really upsetting place to put the energy into creating a thread like this. I don't think anyone is inspired to be more aware of diabetes, and I hope people don't read the words of this doctor who seems to imply to take HIV less seriously.

    done with this thread
  • metta

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    Apr 28, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    MK1220 saidSo I just saw this thread right now... Intriguing title.... Captivated by Gamrican and meninlove's responses and then soon after their posts, it turned into bickering little school girls (surprise surprise)... Since I do not have HIV nor Diabetes I feel I can't make any strong contributions to the original theme of this thread except that someone must have to be in a really upsetting place to put the energy into creating a thread like this. I don't think anyone is inspired to be more aware of diabetes, and I hope people don't read the words of this doctor who seems to imply to take HIV less seriously.

    done with this thread


    Interesting thought. I don't agree but it is an interesting thought. icon_smile.gif I just thought it would make an interesting discussion and I think it has. The more we can get people to talk about HIV and AIDS the better. I don't want it to be an issue that is hidden or not talked about. It is important to be aware of what is going on. To find out what is working and is not working. To find areas that we need to work on more. A lot has changed over the years.