More Than Half of America Doesn't Believe in the Big Bang

  • metta

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    Apr 27, 2014 5:21 AM GMT
    More Than Half of America Doesn't Believe in the Big Bang


    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/04/poll-science-denial-big-bang-evolution-creationism-climate-change


    http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AP-GfK-March-2014-Poll-Topline-Final_SCIENCE.pdf
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 27, 2014 12:40 PM GMT
    Lets face it, most people don't want to stretch their minds enough to comprehend the idea of a "big bang" no more than the existence of black holes and how they serve a galaxy. It is far beyond their normal lives here on little planet Earth.

    Unfortunate, but so glad we have astronomers and thinkers out there that want to know why... and when!
  • DCEric

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    Apr 27, 2014 12:45 PM GMT
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    Apr 27, 2014 1:14 PM GMT
    Blame it on ur educational system.
  • Aodhan

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    Apr 27, 2014 1:18 PM GMT
    charlitos saidBlame it on ur educational system.


    Exactly. I was about to say I rolled my eyes but that doesn't seem like an fair expression when this doesn't surprise me at all.
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    Apr 27, 2014 1:54 PM GMT
    100% of white Liberals think Chastity Bono is a man.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:08 PM GMT
    I'm sure the majority of the people from the sample group were Christian. That might have explained the poll. Most of the U.S. isn't that ignorant.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 27, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said100% of white Liberals think Chastity Bono is a man.

    Way to defend your ignorance with intolerance. Please, don't tell me you're a Christian!!! You're giving Jesus a bad name.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:37 PM GMT
    So what?
  • jeepguySD

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    Apr 27, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
    Rico_T saidI'm sure the majority of the people from the sample group were Christian. That might have explained the poll. Most of the U.S. isn't that ignorant.


    According to the poll, 85% are Christian, but only 31% identify as evangelical.

    Only 29% of respondents completed a bachelor's degree, or higher, whereas 43% completed only high school, or less.

    I suspect that the vast majority of the respondents do not know the evidence that supports the Big Bang model. I wonder how the survey results might be different if they were educated about the uniform expansion of the universe, Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR), the He and deuterium excess in the Cosmic chemical abundance, and the recent detection of polarization in the CBR that supports Big Bang inflation? Would exposure to the evidence, which is strong and self-consistent, change their attitudes?
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Jack_NNJ said100% of white Liberals think Chastity Bono is a man.

    Way to defend your ignorance with intolerance. Please, don't tell me you're a Christian!!! You're giving Jesus a bad name.


    Am I right or not? According to today's "science," Chastity is legitimately a man.

    No, I'm not a "Christian."
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
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    Rico_T saidI'm sure the majority of the people from the sample group were Christian. That might have explained the poll. Most of the U.S. isn't that ignorant.


    According to the poll, 85% are Christian, but only 31% identify as evangelical.

    Only 29% of respondents completed a bachelor's degree, or higher, whereas 43% completed only high school, or less.

    I suspect that the vast majority of the respondents do not know the evidence that supports the Big Bang model. I wonder how the survey results might be different if they were educated about the uniform expansion of the universe, Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR), the He and deuterium excess in the Cosmic chemical abundance, and the recent detection of polarization in the CBR that supports Big Bang inflation? Would exposure to the evidence, which is strong and self-consistent, change their attitudes?


    I certainly recognize it as a a theory, but one fairly incapable of proof. In fact, to the extent that the bang can be viewed as destructive as well as creative, its total acceptance requires the impossible task of proving a negative. Whatever its validity, I don't believe it should be used as a device to discriminate against or belittle anyone because of his faith, which to me seems the real thrust of the MJ article, if not its being posted.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:52 PM GMT
    metta8 saidMore Than Half of America Doesn't Believe in the Big Bang


    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/04/poll-science-denial-big-bang-evolution-creationism-climate-change


    http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AP-GfK-March-2014-Poll-Topline-Final_SCIENCE.pdf


    And? Well known fact that most are idiots. Hell, Foxnews target audience.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 27, 2014 2:59 PM GMT
    jeepguySD said
    Rico_T saidI'm sure the majority of the people from the sample group were Christian. That might have explained the poll. Most of the U.S. isn't that ignorant.


    According to the poll, 85% are Christian, but only 31% identify as evangelical.

    Only 29% of respondents completed a bachelor's degree, or higher, whereas 43% completed only high school, or less.

    I suspect that the vast majority of the respondents do not know the evidence that supports the Big Bang model. I wonder how the survey results might be different if they were educated about the uniform expansion of the universe, Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR), the He and deuterium excess in the Cosmic chemical abundance, and the recent detection of polarization in the CBR that supports Big Bang inflation? Would exposure to the evidence, which is strong and self-consistent, change their attitudes?

    Once they incorporate their beliefs into the big bang many of them will simply say that it's part of God's plan and put their heads back in the sand. They will try to stem the evolution of human genetics and A.I. and continue to insist that there's no need to be creative or experimental, because all they need is an old book with answers that have already been written. Copying another person's answers is cheating. If you really want to do any soul searching then you have to be open to new answers. A prophet doesn't regurgitate what's already been written. You have to write down everything you know and then face the blank page if you want to get creative.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:01 PM GMT
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    The Big Bang Theory (like the Theory of Evolution, and the Theory of Manmade Global Warming, and the Theory that Obama is a god rather than a monstrous public nuisance) requires us to discard common sense and embrace the unprovable and the absurd.

    Rejecting common sense and embracing the absurd are the mainstays of the Left, who then sneer at the rest of us.

    It's a tribute to the endangered common sense of the American people that a majority rejects nonsense dancing in a flimsy scientific veil.

    As Mark Levin said, historians will look back on this period as the Era of the Crazy Bastards, when people eagerly embraced delusions like microbes turning into microbiologists through random unguided mutations, man-made global warming despite rising levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and no warming since 1995, and treating the most destructive fraud ever to occupy the White House as though he can do no wrong.

    One version of the big bang theory asks us to believe that all of the matter and energy in the universe was once condensed into a tiny, hot and dense "singularity."

    Hey! Call me when you succeed in condensing all the matter and energy in my refrigerator into a tiny hot and dense dot.

    Explosions are destructive. Except of course for the biggest explosion of all, which was inconceivably constructive, causing matter and energy to self-organize into stars, galaxies, planets, life in all of its diversity! Drink up Kool Aid fans!

    After all of the unproven, untestable, unobservable junk science is swept into the trash bin, the Bible will still be standing, as it has for over 2000 years (despite constant attacks by tiny, hot, dense, gasbags).

    If a majority of Americans believes that the Bible's creation model is a more scientifically believable explanation than man's theories, praise the Lord.

    There was one Eyewitness at the origin of the universe, God Himself, and He describes it in the Bible.

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    Apr 27, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
    Lol, jockiefever's a-trollin' today.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 27, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
    jockfever saidtheatre-of-the-absurd-ss3_b-pc-17728-en.

    The Big Bang Theory (like the Theory of Evolution, and the Theory of Manmade Global Warming, and the Theory that Obama is a god rather than a monstrous public nuisance) requires us to discard common sense and embrace the unprovable and the absurd.

    Rejecting common sense and embracing the absurd are the mainstays of the Left, who then sneer at the rest of us.

    It's a tribute to the endangered common sense of the American people that a majority rejects nonsense dancing in a flimsy scientific veil.

    As Mark Levin said, historians will look back on this period as the Era of the Crazy Bastards, when people eagerly embraced delusions like microbes turning into microbiologists through random unguided mutations, manmade global warming despite rising levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and no warming since 1995, and treating the most destructive fraud ever to occupy the White House as though he can do no wrong.

    One version of the big bang theory asks us to believe that all of the matter and energy in the universe was once condensed into a tiny, hot and dense singularity.

    Hey! Call me when you succeed in condensing all the matter and energy in my refrigerator into a tiny hot and dense dot.

    Explosions are destructive. Except of course for the biggest explosion of all, which was inconceivably constructive, causing matter and energy to self-organize into stars galaxies, planets, life in all of its diversity! Drink up, you Kool Aid fans!

    After all of the unproven, untestable, unobservable junk science is swept into the trash bin, the Bible will still be standing, as it has for over 2000 years (despite constant attacks by tiny, hot, dense, gasbags).

    If a majority of Americans believe that the Bible's creation model is a more scientifically believable explanation than man's theories, praise the Lord.

    There was one Eyewitness at the origin of the universe, God Himself, and He describes it in the Bible.

    digital_universe_187.jpg

    Every tree started out as a tiny seed. Maybe the dot you're taking about was just the start of something that has grown, and there's nothing random about it. Big bang doesn't prove that the universe is unguided. If anything it's proof that there is unity and a suggestion that everything we can see is part of one body which is made up of many small parts. If humans are more than the sum of our parts, then maybe the universe is too.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 27, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    charlitos saidBlame it on ur educational system.


    How dare you say that! And, as Art_Deco would surely say, "How dare you, someone who is NOT an American citizen, comment on American issues."

    I of course welcome comments from those who are not U.S. citizens and would point out to you that the American educational system has been controlled by unions and Democrats for decades now.

    So yes, I agree, we should blame the unions and Democrats.

    So, you blame the middle class?
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    HottJoe, "Once they incorporate their beliefs into the big bang many of them will simply say that it's part of God's plan and put their heads back in the sand."

    You don't speak to or for all Christians with that. That's a jockiefever thing.

    Sure, why couldn't god be behind the Big Bang and evolution?

    While I appreciate much of what you say, when applied to inerrancy literalists and fundies etc, it's gets problematic when you paint all Christians with the same brush. icon_sad.gif
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
    I never understood this idea of 'believing' in scientific theories. I would have thought that theories are tools and they're only good if they're useful in explaining or predicting things. What if, instead of asking "Do you believe in the big bang theory?", they asked "How useful is creation theory?"
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    Perhaps it was how they phrased the question...

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-27/
    The remarkable discovery, announced this week, of ripples in the space-time fabric of the universe rocked the world of science – and the world of religion.

    Touted as evidence for inflation (a faster-than-the-speed-of-light expansion of our universe), the new discovery of traces of gravity waves affirms scientific concepts in the fields of cosmology, general relativity, and particle physics.

    The new discovery also has significant implications for the Judeo-Christian worldview, offering strong support for biblical beliefs.

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    flyingdiamond saidI never understood this idea of 'believing' in scientific theories. I would have thought that theories are tools and they're only good if they're useful in explaining or predicting things. What if, instead of asking "Do you believe in the big bang theory?", they asked "How useful is creation theory?"


    Haha, good point. I'd say creation theory is useful in understanding the people of the time in which it was written, and how they perceived god. For scientific purposes, it's all washed up, as any dog breeder who has taken one female and one male and tried to breed them and their offspring with each other over and over and over.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:47 PM GMT
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    HottJoe, "Once they incorporate their beliefs into the big bang many of them will simply say that it's part of God's plan and put their heads back in the sand."

    You don't speak to or for all Christians with that. That's a jockiefever thing.

    Sure, why couldn't god be behind the Big Bang and evolution?

    While I appreciate much of what you say, when applied to inerrancy literalists and fundies etc, it's gets problematic when you paint all Christians with the same brush. icon_sad.gif

    Painting all Christians with the same brush would be like painting all gay men with the same brush. The underlying commonality of same sex attraction isn't the only thing that makes us who we are.

    When Christians stubbornly cling to teachings that no longer make sense they seem like gay men on the DL who are unable to accept that the laws of nature aren't worth fighting against.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    charlitos saidBlame it on ur educational system.


    How dare you say that! And, as Art_Deco would surely say, "How dare you, someone who is NOT an American citizen, comment on American issues."

    I of course welcome comments from those who are not U.S. citizens and would point out to you that the American educational system has been controlled by unions and Democrats for decades now.

    So yes, I agree, we should blame the unions and Democrats.

    So, you blame the middle class?


    I blame the unions and the Democrats.

    The smear campaign against unions, which has been going on since the 70s, has eroded the middle class, and has had an unsettling domino effect on healthcare, housing and education, further setting the middle class back.

    Meanwhile, the rich have put such a gulf between themselves and society as to seem like pure sociopaths.

    The U.S. economy is fueled by consumer spending, and thus dependent on a strong middle class. Unions ensure that the middle class has clout. Republicans would rather serve the Koch brothers than the middle class.
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    Apr 27, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    Rico_T saidI'm sure the majority of the people from the sample group were Christian. That might have explained the poll. Most of the U.S. isn't that ignorant.


    Not really sure why doubting a theory that says the entire universe and all matter randomly sprang into existence from nothing makes you "ignorant." When it comes to the creation of the universe, any theory has just as much credibility as another.