Wanting to move to San Francisco... What should I know about the city??

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    Apr 27, 2014 12:18 PM GMT
    So I am thinking/planning to move to San Francisco.

    What are the good, but "affordable/decent" places to live in the area?

    How is the public transportation system there? Is it worth to have a car in the area?

    Any tips and suggestions?

    Thanks guys!
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    Apr 27, 2014 1:31 PM GMT
    "Affordable" San Francisco? icon_lol.gif I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's an oxymoron. That city is so expensive.
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    Apr 27, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
    ^^^

    Seconded. San Francisco has been unreasonably expensive for a while. The studio loft I used to rent for $2,300 a few years ago is now going for $3,500. Studio loft.

    Reasonable people move to the other side of the Bay, like to Oakland or Berkeley. Public transit in the Bay Area is excellent by U.S. standards, and getting to Downtown San Francisco from Oakland is faster than from most of the City. Also, parking is a major nightmare in town, and pretty much every inch of the place is either metered or resident parking.

    On the other hand, if you want to connect with the gay scene, living outside the Castro and SoMa can get you more than a few snubs from the low motility crowd. If that's what you'd like, the Mission is still your best bet for an affordable place.

    Also, there is a real housing crunch in the Bay Area, so not only will you have to pay a fortune, they'll also make you jump through hoops for the luxury of overcharging you. Your best bet: start combing through the roommates section of Craigslist.
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    Apr 27, 2014 1:51 PM GMT
    FUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:09 PM GMT
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    Apr 27, 2014 2:41 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.


    True! And you left out barfing, begging, and screwing, which are several of the many reasons I left SF 11 years ago after living there for 25. Its politics aren't liberal or "progressive;" they're permissive. That and the experience of living in what became a gay ghetto; who wants to isolate one's self from the rest of the world, which is another feeling I experienced in SF - it's definitely NOT like the rest of the US, however you choose to shade that fact. I'd avoid Berkeley and Oakland for the same reasons, as well as for the latter's high crime rates. Public transit is good throughout the city, and I lived there w/o a car w/ no problem. If you must live in SF you can find studios in NBeach, lower Russian Hill, the Mission, and parts of the Marina for under $2K, but you'll have to look hard. Good luck, but unless you're bound to it, I'd consider looking elsewhere - and seriously consider the reasons why you'd want to move to SF in the first place.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:05 PM GMT
    I have a few friends renting in the City, studios are going for 1400- Carl st, 1600- Valencua and 24th, two bdroom- 3000 + at Commercial between Kearney and Montgomery. And 1200 off of Hight. Rents seem cheaper near the Hight/Ashbury area. No idea why.
    Look hard, there are deals. Otherwise food prices are like everywhere else. Znd yeah if u dont need a car. Skip it. There are zipcars everywere.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    SF is a great place despite what some guys on here say. Sure, it's liberal and as a big city it has it's issues but overall it has some of the best cultural events, culinary establishments, financial centers, shopping experiences and attractions of any place in the country. It's very expensive for housing so if you don't have a place in mind or a job, rethink your approach. Every day staples are very competitive, it's just housing.

    While you're here for Pride, you should take some time to visit some realtor places to get a feel for housing/room rentals. The area I live is pretty affordable compared to most, it has good public transportation and is sort of a suburban area in the City. A studio can be found for btw $1000 and $1500, renting a room can be found between $700 (maybe) and $1000. Prices vary dramatically with the location. There is high demand for housing and low inventory.

    If you have other questions, feel free to email me directly.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidIt's politics aren't liberal or "progressive;" they're permissive. That and the experience of living in what became a gay ghetto; who wants to isolate one's self from the rest of the world, which is another feeling I experienced in SF - it's definitely NOT like the rest of the US, however you choose to shade that fact.

    Oh please! SF is NOT a gay ghetto and you hardly isolate yourself by living here. I don't know what your issues were living here but your comments are hogwash and misleading! Funny that there's such a demand to live here if it's that bad. Nice that you gave up your spot to someone that wants to enjoy a great city!
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:33 PM GMT
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    MGINSD saidIt's politics aren't liberal or "progressive;" they're permissive. That and the experience of living in what became a gay ghetto; who wants to isolate one's self from the rest of the world, which is another feeling I experienced in SF - it's definitely NOT like the rest of the US, however you choose to shade that fact.

    Oh please! SF is NOT a gay ghetto and you hardly isolate yourself by living here. I don't know what your issues were living here but your comments are hogwash and misleading! Funny that there's such a demand to live here if it's that bad. Nice that you gave up your spot to someone that wants to enjoy a great city!


    You're so right! After all, what do I know; I only lived there for 25 years and still visit regularly. I will say this about the place: the food and drink scene is great, and the environment itself is beautiful, but, sadly, it's getting trashed more and more by those who live there day by day.
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    Apr 27, 2014 3:34 PM GMT
    If you lack sanity and are simultaneously
    overflowing-with-arrogance, Frisco is the place for you !!
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    wellwell saidIf you lack sanity and are simultaneously
    overflowing-with-arrogance, Frisco is the place for you !!

    Yes, we're all arrogant whackos that live here in 'Frisco'. Ignorance is such a great thing.
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    Apr 27, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.


    Legislators be aware canine civil rights set the precedent for us
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    Apr 27, 2014 4:51 PM GMT
    Are you moving to SF for a job? work or go to school? What's your budget range ? SF, like any other major American city, has its pros and cons. I lived there about 3 1/2 years and moved to SoCal now. It's not for everybody. I won't go into the negatives of why you shouldn't move there. But the only tip I can give say, you need to save up $$$. Use common sense and don't get scam. In general, The Mission, Sunset, Inner Richmond and the Stonetown area by SF State are Reasonable price in SF. You don't need a car in SF. But public transportation can be a pain. There's always people renting and moving out of SF. Good luck. ((Berkeley is more like a college town, Oakland is another world. Don't move there if you want to experience living in the city.))
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:29 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
    A legitimate reason to avoid San Francisco. Not only is it outrageously expensive but it is also dirty and smelly.
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    youngRJ1 saidSo I am thinking/planning to move to San Francisco.

    What are the good, but "affordable/decent" places to live in the area?

    How is the public transportation system there? Is it worth to have a car in the area?

    Any tips and suggestions?

    Thanks guys!


    Not affordable in any way , shape or form. Dot commers have the housing market completely sewn up. You don't need a car. Oakland across the bay is more doable but be making $100k / year to think about moving here.
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:45 PM GMT
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    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
    A legitimate reason to avoid San Francisco. Not only is it outrageously expensive but it is also dirty and smelly.


    I used to take the J line Muni train to downtown SF (Montgomery st) for work. The smell of Market st/train stations is just horrible. I've seen homeless people pissed on the sidewalk too.
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    Apr 27, 2014 5:56 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob said
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
    A legitimate reason to avoid San Francisco. Not only is it outrageously expensive but it is also dirty and smelly.


    I used to take the J line Muni train to downtown SF (Montgomery st) for work. The smell of Market st/train stations are just horrible. I've seen homeless people pissed on the sidewalk too.
    That is horribly sad because San Francisco is a very beautiful and scenic city. I have heard so many negative things about the fabled city by the bay in reference to homelessness, violent crime, and yes people crapping and pissing on the streets and sidewalks. They took a wonderful, world class city like San Francisco and trashed the shit out of it with rampant, ultra liberalism and rampant crony capitalism. I also heard that a large part of the city is turning into a mini Chicago with new, super tall skyscraper construction popping up all over the place. Keep voting for democrats and San Francisco will eventually end up like a lot of older northern cities. How horribly sad.
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    roadbikeRob said
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
    A legitimate reason to avoid San Francisco. Not only is it outrageously expensive but it is also dirty and smelly.


    I used to take the J line Muni train to downtown SF (Montgomery st) for work. The smell of Market st/train stations is just horrible. I've seen homeless people pissed on the sidewalk too.

    I agree with socal, there are some of the stairwells from Muni that are very smelly of urine but for the most part, the city itself is NOT dirty and smelly. Sure there are areas of the Tenderloin that smell and have issues but you'll probably not being traveling those anyway. All these guys painting SF as a dirty smelly place have no clue what they're talking about. You going to tell me that NYC or Chicago don't have dirty smelly areas?
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    Apr 27, 2014 7:46 PM GMT
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    socalx10 said
    roadbikeRob said
    Jack_NNJ saidFUN FACT: Pissing and pooping on the sidewalk is a human right in San Fran.
    A legitimate reason to avoid San Francisco. Not only is it outrageously expensive but it is also dirty and smelly.


    I used to take the J line Muni train to downtown SF (Montgomery st) for work. The smell of Market st/train stations are just horrible. I've seen homeless people pissed on the sidewalk too.
    That is horribly sad because San Francisco is a very beautiful and scenic city. I have heard so many negative things about the fabled city by the bay in reference to homelessness, violent crime, and yes people crapping and pissing on the streets and sidewalks. They took a wonderful, world class city like San Francisco and trashed the shit out of it with rampant, ultra liberalism and rampant crony capitalism. I also heard that a large part of the city is turning into a mini Chicago with new, super tall skyscraper construction popping up all over the place. Keep voting for democrats and San Francisco will eventually end up like a lot of older northern cities. How horribly sad.


    You are exactly right. I grew up in "Chicagoland," and have spent a lot of time all over NYC, neither of which rivals SF in terms of bums and the odors they produce. For the last 19 years of my SF tenure, I lived at 15th & Dolores; before then I'd lived in Cow Hollow, Russian Hill, and Noe Valley. I walked to and from my office in Civic Center, and took MUNI/BART to and from the Church and 16th Street stations when I worked in the Financial Dist. I also rode my bike ALL over town, in places many SF natives don't even know of, so I know whereof you and I speak. And it ain't pretty. In terms of dirt and smell, MANY parts of it rival Cairo, which is about the filthiest place I've ever been. I wish SF well, but from a distance - and upwind.
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    Apr 27, 2014 8:52 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThis is definitely a great question for our RJ brother,
    JOCKBOD48...he'll be able to give you lots of information no doubt..

    Great source, send him a message!

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    Thanks!! icon_smile.gif Will do.
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    Apr 28, 2014 1:04 AM GMT
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    youngRJ1 saidSo I am thinking/planning to move to San Francisco.
    Wonderful! Welcome to Northern California!

    What are the good, but "affordable/decent" places to live in the area?
    "Affordable" and "Decent" are inversely correlated. Also, "Affordable" and "Decent" both become "relevant in comparison" terms when you consider places to live in Northern California. Also, you have to consider "distance from Pacific Heights" as a factor as well.

    How is the public transportation system there? Is it worth to have a car in the area?
    Public transportation works very well when it works. "Worth": Another term which is "relevant in comparison". Personally, it would not be worth any money to me to have a car in San Francisco. A car is a burden which can be priced along the same lines as housing. In other words, be prepared to pay at least as much for having a car as you will pay (at a minimum) for housing.

    Any tips and suggestions?
    Bring lots, and lots of money. You'll go through it.

    Thanks guys!
    Our pleasure!
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    Apr 28, 2014 1:23 AM GMT
    Like the old saying goes.. if you have to ask, then you can't afford it. Yes, housing is really overpriced in SF. icon_lol.gif

    Just forget about living in SF. Look elsewhere if you don't have the right income. BART and Muni are both pretty good, and gives you more options in terms of places to live. I would suggest looking south in the peninsula. But my first pick would be the Berkeley area. Maybe Oaktown if you don't mind a little grittiness.