Toyota to move jobs, headquarters from Torrance to Texas

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    Apr 28, 2014 6:37 PM GMT
    Disgusting, if I owned a Toyota, I would sell it now or never buy one in the future. 32 years in SoCal and another company thinks the tax grass and cheap labor is greener on the other side, another evil sell out. 5,000+ die hard southern Californians, we are talking a culture change from SoCal to TX, not everyone will want to leave CA or be forced to, only the people with company time will be forced to make this very difficult decision, this is where its gets REAL messy, I hope the 'new Toyota' and its new slave underpaid, less educated culture will be happy. When will they learn, its people, not profits that matter the most.

    Plano TX....borrring, so much for attracting the 'brightest and best' icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-toyota-texas-20140428,0,2881400.story#axzz30CpWa1eW

    I hope any replacement company there in Torrance is 10x times better than Toyota ever was, hopefully is high tech which attracts a diverse culture and becomes the best place to work, ever. SEE-Ya, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
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    Apr 28, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
    Texas Nationalist Movement
    http://texnat.org/political-publisher/1956-texans-could-vote-for-independence-in-march-primaries

    Secede already, the state is like a corporate fucking vampire, sucking life from the unsuspected



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    Apr 28, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
    Toyota employees, obviously not its management, have ranked in the top 1, 2, 3 places in raising funds for APLA and every year Aids Walk LA, such a shame that this much needed funding in SoCal will be missed, I applaud SoCal Toyota employees for their contributions over the years and scold its management for selling out their SoCal business

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    Apr 28, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
    Hard to blame Toyota. California has become one of the most business unfriendly states in the nation. Blame it on the legislators and the people who are elected them. Whatever your opinion about Texas, it is much more business friendly.

    As they say, elections have consequences.
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    Apr 28, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
    The announcement has been expected within the supplier industry for some time. Sales, manufacturing headquarters, and business operations will be combined in Plano. The largest number of jobs will be lost in Torrance and New York City, where it is becoming less important for global businesses to have a location.

    Such are these times. A further split in the good ole' USA is occurring. Perhaps the Texans will roast a few Californians on the bar-b-que spit. :-)
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    Apr 29, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidHard to blame Toyota. California has become one of the most business unfriendly states in the nation. Blame it on the legislators and the people who are elected them. Whatever your opinion about Texas, it is much more business friendly.

    As they say, elections have consequences.



    Texass maybe more 'business friendly' but certainly isn't more 'people friendly', a common misplaced priority icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 29, 2014 12:47 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidHard to blame Toyota. California has become one of the most business unfriendly states in the nation. Blame it on the legislators and the people who are elected them. Whatever your opinion about Texas, it is much more business friendly.

    As they say, elections have consequences.

    Texass maybe more 'business friendly' but certainly isn't more 'people friendly', a common misplaced priority icon_rolleyes.gif

    Being business unfriendly is also related to being people unfriendly. When the California business policies drive businesses away, who is ultimately hurt? The people, would either have to move against their will or find another job or in these times, probably be without a job.
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    Apr 29, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
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    scruffLA said
    socalfitness saidHard to blame Toyota. California has become one of the most business unfriendly states in the nation. Blame it on the legislators and the people who are elected them. Whatever your opinion about Texas, it is much more business friendly.

    As they say, elections have consequences.

    Texass maybe more 'business friendly' but certainly isn't more 'people friendly', a common misplaced priority icon_rolleyes.gif

    Being business unfriendly is also related to being people unfriendly. When the California business policies drive businesses away, who is ultimately hurt? The people, would either have to move against their will or find another job or in these times, probably be without a job.



    No one should have to move against their will only because of their companies selfish interests. We all have free will as individuals. The incredible difficult choice goes to those long time Toyota employees, including its SoCal LGBT workforce, as we all know, the state of TX is a detriment to our community standing and equality. Should be interesting to see what happens when a CA married gay couple is affected by the move where their marriage will not be recognized in the state of TX. My guess, the SoCal married heteros that work at Toyota will get first dibs at Plano. The others, gay or straight, who refuse to go, as you say, probably will be out of a job, horrible icon_evil.gif
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    Apr 29, 2014 1:13 AM GMT
    This is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/
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    Apr 29, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif
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    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif

    I love living in California but the business climate is shitty. You can blame the "selfish" corporations if you want, but that accomplishes nothing. The problem lies with the California legislature, heavily Democratic. People vote for them because of all the promises of entitlements. Maybe when there are few jobs left, people will wake up. Maybe not. Might have to become a real cesspool before people finally get the message.
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    Apr 29, 2014 1:54 AM GMT
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    scruffLA said
    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif

    I love living in California but the business climate is shitty. You can blame the "selfish" corporations if you want, but that accomplishes nothing. The problem lies with the California legislature, heavily Democratic. People vote for them because of all the promises of entitlements. Maybe when there are few jobs left, people will wake up. Maybe not. Might have to become a real cesspool before people finally get the message.


    Here is what NY has been doing, its unbelievable to think 'incentives' is the new way of doing business in America, it appears to amount to bribery? and catering to the elite? This is not a sustainable business model and I don't think this business trend is taught in business schools as legitimate, its all BS, a smoke screen. If corporate America feels so strongly about its profits and cheap labor with this incentive trend, then I predict in 30 years, America will be a tourist destination only, real business will have moved out of the country and have all overseas bank accounts. But what will happen to the American people who will suffer from the hands of the greedy? Looks like hospitality is Americas future, I am an Engineer, I don't have any experience in hospitality icon_evil.gif

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    Apr 29, 2014 2:00 AM GMT
    At first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 29, 2014 2:31 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    scruffLA said
    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif

    I love living in California but the business climate is shitty. You can blame the "selfish" corporations if you want, but that accomplishes nothing. The problem lies with the California legislature, heavily Democratic. People vote for them because of all the promises of entitlements. Maybe when there are few jobs left, people will wake up. Maybe not. Might have to become a real cesspool before people finally get the message.


    Here is what NY has been doing, its unbelievable to think 'incentives' is the new way of doing business in America, it appears to amount to bribery? and catering to the elite? This is not a sustainable business model and I don't think this business trend is taught in business schools as legitimate, its all BS, a smoke screen. If corporate America feels so strongly about its profits and cheap labor with this incentive trend, then I predict in 30 years, America will be a tourist destination only, real business will have moved out of the country and have all overseas bank accounts. But what will happen to the American people who will suffer from the hands of the greedy? Looks like hospitality is Americas future, I am an Engineer, I don't have any experience in hospitality icon_evil.gif

    You are so quick to blame corporate America for wanting cheap labor and profits. Are you unable to assign any blame to the voters and Democrats they elected who created such a poor business climate?
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    xrichx saidAt first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif


    An engineer makes $150,000 in SoCal
    The same job in TX pays $75,000

    How this affects individuals social security benefits and or pension benefits, last 5 years of pay
    http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10069.pdf

    If you're an older Toyota employee, you're screwed!
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    xrichx saidAt first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif


    An engineer makes $150,000 in SoCal
    The same job in TX pays $75,000

    That's also probably due to cost of living. It's cheaper to live in TX than to live in CA.
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    Apr 29, 2014 2:34 AM GMT
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    scruffLA said
    xrichx saidAt first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif


    An engineer makes $150,000 in SoCal
    The same job in TX pays $75,000

    That's also probably due to cost of living. It's cheaper to live in TX than to live in CA.



    Did you miss this part bozo?

    How this affects individuals social security benefits and or pension benefits, last 5 years of pay
    [url]http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10069.pdf
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    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif
    venice-beach-at-santa-monica-california-


    Which makes it all the more remarkable that so many successful firms and people are moving to places like Texas. That should be something of a hint... that apparently many politicians (and many of their supporters) aren't getting...
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    riddler78 saidThis is good news. That they would move to a state that's actually growing both in people and economically makes sense. That states compete means that those who wage war against those who actually want to build businesses and employ people are punished over those who welcome them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/report-toyota-says-later-to-california-howdy-to-texas/


    WE, as individuals, all know California is the favorite place to live and work, if one had a choice, in this case, the choice is being removed from the equation

    There isn't much the state of TX can compete with SoCal living, sorry icon_lol.gif
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    Which makes it all the more remarkable that so many successful firms and people are moving to places like Texas. That should be something of a hint... that apparently many politicians (and many of their supporters) aren't getting...


    Oh, they have 'gotten it' alright, something this crook perfected, 'grease the palm' Lott-O and his incentive invention...its a wonder this man and his crooked ways disappeared from the republican planet, some of us unfortunately remember icon_rolleyes.gif
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    yep, hospitality icon_rolleyes.gif

    Low wage jobs dominate the U.S. economic recovery
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    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/welcome-to-our-new-low-paying--highly-subsidized-economic-reality--karabell-155706002.html
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    Apr 29, 2014 3:51 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    xrichx saidAt first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif


    An engineer makes $150,000 in SoCal
    The same job in TX pays $75,000

    How this affects individuals social security benefits and or pension benefits, last 5 years of pay
    http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10069.pdf

    If you're an older Toyota employee, you're screwed!

    Toyota employees will not get a downgrade in pay. I'm guessing 40% or less will make the move, or even get offered the opportunity. The rest will get laid off.

    It was the same for my company. Our division was reorganizing. Some of our employees either had the choice of moving to Austin, Texas or get reassigned to another part of the company. Quite a few opted to move. LA salary + TX cost of living = easy living.
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    xrichx said
    scruffLA said
    xrichx saidAt first, I kinda felt bad for some of the Toyota employees that were transplanted here from Japan. Partly/mainly due to Toyota's presence, Torrance has a pretty good size Japanese community; which includes a lot of Japanese restaurants, markets, and other stores. I assumed Plano, Texas would be nothing but BBQ and white people. But apparently, Asians outnumber Hispanics there. Interesting.
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Plano-Texas.html

    Anyways, I'll miss seeing random future Toyota/Lexus/Scion camouflage cars cruising on the 405. icon_neutral.gif


    An engineer makes $150,000 in SoCal
    The same job in TX pays $75,000

    How this affects individuals social security benefits and or pension benefits, last 5 years of pay
    http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10069.pdf

    If you're an older Toyota employee, you're screwed!

    Toyota employees will not get a downgrade in pay. I'm guessing 40% or less will make the move, or even get offered the opportunity. The rest will get laid off.

    It was the same for my company. Our division was reorganizing. Some of our employees either had the choice of moving to Austin, Texas or get reassigned to another part of the company. Quite a few opted to move. LA salary + TX cost of living = easy living.



    The whole purpose of moving is to lower the pay rates (um labor costs), pay downgrade will happen to those who chose to move and just keep a job, Toyota is not that generous icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 29, 2014 4:21 AM GMT
    yeah like Toyota employees can afford to live in Hermosa and PV. Torrance is a hell hole. I lived in HB and RB for 3 years
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    tj85016 saidyeah like Toyota employees can afford to live in Hermosa and PV. Torrance is a hell hole. I lived in HB and RB for 3 years


    The company is non union, I am sure what happened was is the yearly wage scales for each job title that HR keeps track of were probably closely monitored, the wage scale reached a peak for most jobs, a whole lot of people with a whole lot of seniority at the top pay rate of their classification, 30 years worth. Move to TX and the company can reset the wage scale (lower of course), start over and consolidate job titles. I am sure management was paid well, as usual, to afford PV, as well as some senior engineers.
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    Apr 29, 2014 4:56 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    tj85016 saidyeah like Toyota employees can afford to live in Hermosa and PV. Torrance is a hell hole. I lived in HB and RB for 3 years


    The company is non union, I am sure what happened was is the yearly wage scales for each job title that HR keeps track of were probably closely monitored, the wage scale reached a peak for most jobs, a whole lot of people with a whole lot of seniority at the top pay rate of their classification, 30 years worth. Move to TX and the company can reset the wage scale (lower of course), start over and consolidate job titles. I am sure management was paid well, as usual, to afford PV, as well as some senior engineers.


    I thought Toyota Torrance was basically US sales, marketing, dealer relations and operations - all non-union jobs pretty much anywhere