ECA Stack?

  • nhnelson

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    Jan 02, 2009 3:19 AM GMT
    Howdy All,
    I'm curious, has anyone ever tried an ECA stack? Any experiences with negative side effects? I'm interested in trying it out, but I'm not sure how safe it might be. If anyone has any experience with a stack of this type, let me know!
    Thanks!
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    Jan 02, 2009 3:47 AM GMT
    Ephedra was banned years ago. At least here in the US. If you see a supplement being marketed as an ECA stack, you should be a little suspicious.

    And yes, it was quite effective. Negative side effects? Sure. There were quite a few people that had strokes or heart attacks. But that was mainly because they took more than the recommended dosage. And there were cases of deaths too. But again, due to user error.

    Just curious.. Why are you thinking about trying this?
  • nhnelson

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    Jan 02, 2009 4:25 AM GMT
    I have some stubborn visceral torso fat that, despite my greatest efforts, just will not seem to so away, and after trying a few different supplements to compliment my nutrition/workout regimen, and not having much success, I thought I'd try out this, which I've heard some things about, but not much.
  • nhnelson

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    Jan 02, 2009 4:26 AM GMT
    Also, It's not ephedra I'm looking in to, it's ephedrine.
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    Jan 02, 2009 4:46 AM GMT
    Ephedrine WAS banned, but it's legal now. Most places don't sell it, but you should be able to find it online.

    I recommend 25-50 mg of aspirin, 25 mg of ephedrine, and two cups of coffee pre-workout. It's like freakin' rocket fuel: you'll be bouncing off the walls, lifting heavier, and have outstanding endurance and energy.

    Some words of caution:

    Ephedrine makes you WIRED! I RARELY take more than 12.5 mg because it just kicks my ass.

    Ephedrine fucks your prostate up! If you take it too often, you may have trouble stopping and starting when you pee (i.e. shake at least twenty times.)

    Ephedrine raises your blood pressure, as does caffeine! If you're prone to high blood pressure, you don't want to be dabbling in this stuff. Be sure to drink plenty of water while you're working out.

    Ephedrine makes you dehydrated, as does caffeine! Drink plenty of water while you're working out; this will also help keep your blood pressure down.

    Aspirin thins your blood! If you take too much, you may rupture an artery during a heavy lift if you haven't already started bleeding internally through "slow seepage". The usual problems you'll see are things like bruising and feeling light-headed. I personally cannot take more than 25 mg or I bruise, but some people seem to handle as much as 200 mg without a problem (still not something to fuck with, though.)

    As for what I normally do: it's just two cups of coffee and I'm off to the weight room. The ECA stack gives you a wonderful push when you're fatigued, and it'll help you get a smidge leaner, but I don't like doing it regularly because I prefer to maintain normal bladder function LOL!

    Don't sweat the belly fat, I had it for a while and still have a little bit hanging on. It's just baby fat that comes with being 19 and it'll come off if you stay consistent with your workouts in the long term, but you can speed up the process a bit with HIIT.
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    Jan 02, 2009 4:55 AM GMT
    Aspirin is also really hard on your stomach.
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    Jan 02, 2009 5:01 AM GMT
    Buffyfan84 saidAspirin is also really hard on your stomach.


    As is Ibuprofen, acetaminophen, Tylenol, penicillin, Advil, and just about any other over-the-counter pain medication LOL!

    If it makes anyone here feel any better, ephedrine is not only more effective than pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) for loosening up a congested cold, it's also much less dangerous! Sudafed cranks your blood pressure and heart rate up so high you can literally blow a blood vessel out just lifting light.
  • nhnelson

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    Jan 02, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    Sweet, thanks guys. I don't think I'm going to take my chances with the ephedrine. It seems a little bit intense. Thanks again!
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    Jan 02, 2009 5:12 AM GMT
    Yeah you'll be fine icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 02, 2009 7:45 AM GMT
    Ephedra is a common ingredient in many "pick me ups." It's highly effective.

    Used in unfit, untrained, individuals (i.e., fat folks), it can cause some issues with cardiac malfunction, but, its dangers are over-stated. In fat folks, they get to moving beyond what their state of health can support and things go south. Ephedra based products have been used for many years in weight loss.

    I encourage the poster to Google up on Ephedra, and Ephedrine, to find articles like

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_(genus)[/url]

    and
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

    Like aspirin, Tylenol, or food, ephedra can be dangerous if taken in to large of amounts.

    Ephedra has been used for many, many, many years, in a variety of cultures with much success. It's a component in many drinks commonly used (read the research).

    As with any chemical, or as with food, or exercise, it's good to be very judgmental and prudent in its use.

    Is it as dangerous as high fat food? Probably not. Is it more dangerous than not taking anything. Yes.

    flex89 is right that the ECA stack can be very stimulatory and not without side effects.

    Like most things, it's a matter of personal choice, based upon an informed judgment.

    For folks with respiratory issues, these drugs can be good because on their effects on those systems.

    I'd encourage you to employ the resource of The Internet to do some research and decide what's best for you, absent of hearsay.

    As part of your research, you might wish to research the ingredients of so called energy drinks. You may be surprised by what you find.
  • nhnelson

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    Jan 02, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    Thanks Flex210, I'll do just that.