“Do I Sound Gay?” Documentary Needs to Hear From You

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    Apr 30, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
    Hard to believe, but no one’s ever made a documentary film to examine the stereotype of the “gay voice” and the stigma surrounding it. Director David Thorpe has set out to rectify that with Do I Sound Gay, a groundbreaking documentary that features Tim Gunn, Dan Savage, David Sedaris, George Takei and Margaret Cho sharing their thoughts on the stigma of “sounding gay.”

    http://www.thebacklot.com/do-i-sound-gay-documentary/04/2014/



    The Kickstarter campaign to finance post-production on this project offers rewards like customized outgoing voicemail messages from a master impressionist in the voice of Paul Lynde, Liberace or Truman Capote and a script or treatment consultation with producer Gertler. One backer will get a 15-minute sex and love advice Skype session with columnist Dan Savage. The campaign runs through Thursday, May 29. To find out more visit the Kickstarter page and like Do I Sound Gay? on Facebook.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117088046/do-i-sound-gay-a-documentary-about-finding-your-tr
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    Apr 30, 2014 7:12 PM GMT
    "Confession: I’ve always been self-conscious about 'sounding gay,'" Thorpe notes. "It’s one of the main things that 'gives me away' as gay. Three years ago, I decided I’d had enough. I knew that my anxiety came from my internalized homophobia telling me: Gay = bad, so sounding gay = bad. So, I decided to make 'Do I Sound Gay?'"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/do-i-sound-gay-documentary_n_5241283.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000050
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    I really like this idea. I hope they will also include some of the millions of gay men who do not "sound gay" and never have. Otherwise, to the outsider, it will only reinforce that you can tell a gay man from his voice. They should also include straight-identified men who do "sound gay."

    For me, I get people who say I do, and people who say they're glad I don't. I bet a lot of us on RJ fit into that category.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    I think a lot of us feel victorious when we can pass as straight. It's kind of painful when you realize that you might not be as comfortable with yourself as you thought.

    I am especially conscious of this when giving a lecture or a technical talk. I wonder if people are listening to what I'm saying or if they're caught up in how I'm saying it.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    When I made the STRONGHOLD: In the Grip of Wrestling documentary, I did a test clip of me talking about wrestling to see if it got "fag" comments or whatever. I even tossed in a "you're not gay, you're normal" to make those with internalized homophobia feel okay with their attraction. Here is the clip filmed five years ago (after a few glasses of wine). I think everyone has moments of sounding gay or not sounding gay. I can't wait to see how his film turns out.

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    Apr 30, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    This is obviously just a way for all the femme boys to catalog the masculine ones and hit on them.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidWhen I made the STRONGHOLD: In the Grip of Wrestling documentary, I did a test clip of me talking about wrestling to see if it got "fag" comments or whatever. I even tossed in a "you're not gay, you're normal" to make those with internalized homophobia feel okay with their attraction. Here is the clip filmed five years ago (after a few glasses of wine). I think everyone has moments of sounding gay or not sounding gay. I can't wait to see how his film turns out.



    Possibly one of the gayest clips I've seen.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    I think my first reaction was, "how sad" to focus on this, but as a guy who hasn't ever sounded gay per se, I've never thought of it as an issue. If you perceive it as "a problem" and you perceive you sound gay... well I guess I could understand.

    I remember when I was growing up, my mother warning of the "Kansas country accent" and that it was to be avoided at all costs (kind of a form of a southern twang accent).
    You would sound like a hick.. a friend once stated.
    I don't have the Kansas twang either......

    Just sad that people of all kinds can't be happy with what they sound like. Regardless of the accent or way one sounds.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    I'm much the same, Kansman, when I'm around my brothers I turn into an hoser.
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    Apr 30, 2014 9:50 PM GMT
    I wish I could say that nobody has ever said I sound like a fag, but I can't.

    I wish I could say that it doesn't bother me that people have told me I sound like a fag, but I can't.
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    Apr 30, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
    It is difficult for many of us to come to terms with and accept the sound of our voice and manner of speaking. People can be very cruel. Recently there was video posted here where we got to hear the voice of someone from RJ. What followed was some public shaming by some here of the guy for sounding "gay." I think it probably seems even more cruel when it is other gay men judging and being critical.
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    Apr 30, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
    Unfortunately it's not the only reason gay men desire to sound "straight" because of a fear of outing themselves. I would say most gay mean find a "masculine" voice to be attractive, and they are put off if you don't.
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    Apr 30, 2014 10:34 PM GMT
    SO does one's Intonation of a vocal projection + the accent that goes with could regulate in sounding Gay. #interesting.

    I have a childhood friend/ a best friend, he is a Pastor now, but my family ,sisters and cousins bracket him as Gay cause the way he speak (just about as David in this). To me he is all happy sounding and loving in nature and I feel nothing about it(cause I'm icon_lol.gif maybe.. ), I don't understand how people have such aspect of seeing things, probably the stereotypical fashion of humans as such bracketing it as Gay icon_question.gif

    I personally have a thing in not using a mic since, when I do presentations, cause the minute I'm on mic I do sound like I'm swaying with my words of a Gay according to one of my claim "straight" friend back in collage. So in most of the time I go without the mic to feel more comfortable. On mic and without mic I do sound totally different same as on the phone. Well icon_confused.gif as far that never had me in problem as going without mic *luckily and feel better off without it that's been.

    To me Tim Gunn never sounded like Gay, he does speak professionally in all projection of his voice. *Probably the humbleness in a tone of a voice do project more about it...? like all lightness of a girl voice? or is it the vibe sound of it?

    This is my thought of a experiment...
    Cause if you do a little aggression into speaking, it goes mute in-sounding Gay.

    Problem is, are humans being very peculiar about things which create such phenomena of having it concern in sounding Gay.
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    Apr 30, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidWhen I made the STRONGHOLD: In the Grip of Wrestling documentary, I did a test clip of me talking about wrestling to see if it got "fag" comments or whatever. I even tossed in a "you're not gay, you're normal" to make those with internalized homophobia feel okay with their attraction. Here is the clip filmed five years ago (after a few glasses of wine). I think everyone has moments of sounding gay or not sounding gay. I can't wait to see how his film turns out.



    Possibly one of the gayest clips I've seen.


    Probably not the nicest thing to say. icon_confused.gif Although I will say, I think unconvincing posturing and saying "man" or "dude" a million times makes it even worse. If you have a "gay" voice, I think it's better to just be yourself rather than try and butch it up, which is rarely believable anyway.
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:02 PM GMT
    What I notice is many gays who sound obviously gay/effeminate are convinced they sound normal.
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    yeah but what accounts for gay voice? Is there a genetic explanation that touches on sexuality and vocality at once? Seems weird.

    Or is gay voice a developed trait? If it's learned, why does it seem that so many guys are unable to correct their voices when they wish to?
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:07 PM GMT
    field123 saidyeah but what accounts for gay voice? Is there a genetic explanation that touches on sexuality and vocality at once? Seems weird.

    Or is gay voice a developed trait? If it's learned, why does it seem that so many guys are unable to correct their voices when they wish to?

    It's very easy to spot a gay voice, they speak with a tone that resembles more or less like girls. And its not just the tone, also the way they move, even the way they pose for pictures, but as I said, many of them seem not to notice that.
    And they can't 'correct' it because that's the way they speak and that's it, trying to change that would be like cheating.
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
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    field123 saidyeah but what accounts for gay voice? Is there a genetic explanation that touches on sexuality and vocality at once? Seems weird.

    Or is gay voice a developed trait? If it's learned, why does it seem that so many guys are unable to correct their voices when they wish to?

    It's very easy to spot a gay voice, they speak with a tone that resembles more or less like girls. And its not just the tone, also the way the move, even the way they pose for pictures, but as I said, many of them seem not to notice that.
    And they can't 'correct' it because that's the way they speak and that's it, trying to change that would be like cheating.


    I like you anyway David. icon_wink.gif
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    field123 saidyeah but what accounts for gay voice? Is there a genetic explanation that touches on sexuality and vocality at once? Seems weird.

    Or is gay voice a developed trait? If it's learned, why does it seem that so many guys are unable to correct their voices when they wish to?


    It's usually just an act just like the so called "straight acting" gays.
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
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    David3K said
    field123 saidyeah but what accounts for gay voice? Is there a genetic explanation that touches on sexuality and vocality at once? Seems weird.
    Or is gay voice a developed trait? If it's learned, why does it seem that so many guys are unable to correct their voices when they wish to?

    It's very easy to spot a gay voice, they speak with a tone that resembles more or less like girls. And its not just the tone, also the way the move, even the way they pose for pictures, but as I said, many of them seem not to notice that.
    And they can't 'correct' it because that's the way they speak and that's it, trying to change that would be like cheating.

    I like you anyway David. icon_wink.gif

    Haha thanks!
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    Apr 30, 2014 11:59 PM GMT
    The very first time I ever heard my own voice was in high school. We were recording our speeches. I was very shocked to hear how I sounded. I have to put in the effort to speak and act differently from how I would normally to be more masculine. It's not easy.
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    May 01, 2014 12:03 AM GMT
    I sound gay, but I don't act gay. I act like I'm tough shit.icon_mad.gif

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    May 01, 2014 12:25 AM GMT
    In elementary/middle school people made fun of my girly voice, but it was before I even knew I was gay. Since then I forced myself to sound a certain way. A depressing tone of voice was the route I took, since the gay voice seems to be very bubbly. Over time my voice deepened though. It's actually very deep now, but now it's just deep and unenthused. My voice is never the dead giveaway. The way I walk has been called "gay" though, which is another thing I tried to change over time.
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    May 01, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI really like this idea. I hope they will also include some of the millions of gay men who do not "sound gay" and never have. Otherwise, to the outsider, it will only reinforce that you can tell a gay man from his voice. They should also include straight-identified men who do "sound gay."

    For me, I get people who say I do, and people who say they're glad I don't. I bet a lot of us on RJ fit into that category.


    I know I fit in that category but when I hear my own voice I do think I sound gay.
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    May 01, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    polfsky saidThe very first time I ever heard my own voice was in high school. We were recording our speeches. I was very shocked to hear how I sounded. I have to put in the effort to speak and act differently from how I would normally to be more masculine. It's not easy.

    Why would you put in effort to do that? What is wrong with being the normal you?