Why A Thirst for Revenge?

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    May 04, 2014 4:07 PM GMT
    NYT: Revenge has the reputation of being a barbaric, shortsighted and pointless instinct, an aspect of our human makeup we ought to resist. Humanitarians take issue with it, and at any rate it is hard to argue that revenge is humane. If you, an animal, attack an antelope’s calf for reasons of hunger, you have to expect that the mother will fight back with her horns, bite and kick to protect her offspring. But only until such time as the calf is dead and gone. Then it would — according to antelope logic — be futile to continue. It would be wasting valuable energy fighting a lost cause, which no animal on the savanna can afford to do; after all, the antelope has other calves to take care of. You are left to eat your prey undisturbed.

    So why don’t humans think like this? Wouldn’t it save us a lot of unnecessary conflict if, like the antelope, we could put wrongdoing behind us, forget it and move on? Possibly. But it would make it far more tempting for others to have a go at the rest of your offspring.

    That is why revenge is more than a shortsighted and pointless instinct; it is an example of man’s sublime capacity for abstract thought. By avenging a misdeed we don’t regain what we have lost, but we ensure that misdeeds have consequences that we hope can be a deterrent in the abstract future: Your adversary knows that attacking your offspring has a cost, even if the attack is successful. Or especially if it is successful.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/opinion/sunday/revenge-my-lovely.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0
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    May 04, 2014 4:20 PM GMT
    if somebody attacked my antelope, I'd pummel the mother fucker into the ground icon_smile.gif just sayin'
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    May 04, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
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    May 04, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidif somebody attacked my antelope, I'd pummel the mother fucker into the ground icon_smile.gif just sayin'

    Eh, my antelope is a mean motherfucker. Ain't nobody gonna attack him. But you'd better keep your hands the hell off my springbok.
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    May 04, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
    ElectroShark said
    tj85016 saidif somebody attacked my antelope, I'd pummel the mother fucker into the ground icon_smile.gif just sayin'

    Eh, my antelope is a mean motherfucker. Ain't nobody gonna attack him. But you'd better keep your hands the hell off my springbok.


    now now, don't get your goat up icon_smile.gif
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    May 04, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    woodsmen said
    If you, an animal, attack an antelope’s calf for reasons of hunger, you have to expect that the mother will fight back with her horns, bite and kick to protect her offspring. But only until such time as the calf is dead and gone. Then it would — according to antelope logic — be futile to continue. It would be wasting valuable energy fighting a lost cause, which no animal on the savanna can afford to do; after all, the antelope has other calves to take care of. You are left to eat your prey undisturbed.

    That evolutionary logic may work for solitary and herd animals. Humans are social creatures, and our species defense is culture. Furthermore, the scenario you describe applies mainly to non-antelope predators. A problem humans face is that we're threatened more today by our own species than by others.

    Threats that may strike again if not stopped, like serial killers. Therefore revenge is a form of deterrence. It protects the human species from more predations, from other humans.
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    May 04, 2014 4:51 PM GMT
    Revenge is as natural as love and you have to be pretty dumb to deny that

    everyone has done revenge one way or another
    Part of life
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    May 04, 2014 4:53 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    ElectroShark said
    tj85016 saidif somebody attacked my antelope, I'd pummel the mother fucker into the ground icon_smile.gif just sayin'

    Eh, my antelope is a mean motherfucker. Ain't nobody gonna attack him. But you'd better keep your hands the hell off my springbok.


    now now, don't get your goat up icon_smile.gif

    I see your goat and raise you an ibex.
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    May 04, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    Can't believe you guys turn a revenge thread into another animal thread! Giggles!
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    May 04, 2014 4:57 PM GMT
    Revenge is primordial instinct that's been with us for a long time.
    I must say that I get that instinct to commit revenge but as humans, we also have to use our logic to think clearly and rationalize about the irrationality of committing revenge.

    Unless you really have a good plan or you live in a soap opera drama!icon_lol.gif
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    May 04, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
    Revenge is not a rational matter but an empathic one.
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    May 04, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidCan't believe you guys turn a revenge thread into another animal thread! Giggles!

    Thread derailment is an art.
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    May 04, 2014 8:11 PM GMT
    "Revenge is a dish best served cold." (I believe a Chinese proverb)

    And that's exactly how I prepare it. icon_biggrin.gif