Gay Activists vs. Vanity Gays.....

  • TannerMasseur

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    May 04, 2014 11:28 PM GMT
    Do u try to make a difference in ur LGBT community & volunteer ur time to participate in issues that affect LGBT? Or are u just one of the vanity gays that go to Gay Pride parties & Equality Forums just to party & get high, drunk & laid, oblivious to the names of LGBT movers, shakers & leaders---past & present---who are trying to make a difference?.....
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    May 04, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    both, well excluding the getting drunk and laid part.
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    May 04, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
    Neither really but if you really had to be technical then I'd be leaning towards Vanity Gay.

  • Import

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    May 05, 2014 1:29 AM GMT
    Do I try and make a difference in the "LGBT community?"


    lol No. I dont.

    It's not a community.
    I'm an individual. I live my life the best way I know how. I dont consider myself part of a gay community or a brotherhood of gay men. I don't feel represented by gays, gay pride parades, drag-queens, drinking at gay bars, getting high, etc. While I have no problem with that, I don't identify with any of it.

    I live the life I want to live and surround and associate myself with people I want in my life. That's it.




  • TannerMasseur

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    May 05, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    How important is it for u to be a part of the LGBT community or do u do ur own thing & don't like to be labeled?
  • AMoonHawk

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    May 05, 2014 4:53 AM GMT
    I don't even have time to go to the bar and meet men, let alone time to volunteer or be actively involved in other activities. I already did my part when I was younger, maybe when I retire I'll have time again, but until then, the rest of you with time on your hands will have to take care of things.
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    May 05, 2014 5:47 AM GMT
    Well, I volunteer with societies and associations that take part in issues that affect everyone in life.

    HIV organisations I've been apart of a few.

    Kids with cancer.

    Mental health.

    Few others.

    These aren't specific to the LGBT community though.

    I don't do it so much to make a difference but more to help there are people out there that just need a hand getting stuff done and I'm good at that. If that makes a difference awesome but I just like being helpful.
  • AWashingtonia...

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    May 05, 2014 10:24 AM GMT
    Tanner saidDo u try to make a difference in ur LGBT community & volunteer ur time to participate in issues that affect LGBT? Or are u just one of the vanity gays that go to Gay Pride parties & Equality Forums just to party & get high, drunk & laid, oblivious to the names of LGBT movers, shakers & leaders---past & present---who are trying to make a difference?.....



    I think both parts are equal and important actually. One would not function without the other.

    Look at the US at large all sexual identities included. How many citizens know in depth analysis of politics or their local government's policies? How many spend their US dollar at bars and doing the same other aforementioned things.

    I think what ever makes a person enjoy life without causing suffering is left to his/her discretion.
  • Rush_

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    May 05, 2014 11:12 AM GMT
    Import saidDo I try and make a difference in the "LGBT community?"


    lol No. I dont.

    It's not a community.
    I'm an individual. I live my life the best way I know how. I dont consider myself part of a gay community or a brotherhood of gay men. I don't feel represented by gays, gay pride parades, drag-queens, drinking at gay bars, getting high, etc. While I have no problem with that, I don't identify with any of it.

    I live the life I want to live and surround and associate myself with people I want in my life. That's it.







    This.
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    May 05, 2014 11:15 AM GMT
    I volunteer in things that are outside of even the LGBT. Lately I've been going to the animal shelter once a month to take care of some animals.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    May 05, 2014 11:52 AM GMT
    I like to get drunk, but that's when I get most generous with my checkbook at Philly Pride. It's a win-win.
  • TannerMasseur

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    May 05, 2014 1:50 PM GMT
    During NY Gay Pride last year I saw this couple going around videotaping as gays were walking at the end of the parade in Chelsea asking young gay passersby if they knew who Harvey Milk was or what Stonewall meant to them. They were clueless.
  • AWashingtonia...

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    May 05, 2014 1:59 PM GMT
    Tanner saidDuring NY Gay Pride last year I saw this couple going around videotaping as gays were walking at the end of the parade in Chelsea asking young gay passersby if they knew who Harvey Milk was or what Stonewall meant to them. They were clueless.


    That's like asking Italians what Julius Caesar means to them. Are they important? YES but a bit antiquated.

    It helps to have popular references that are at least familiar. It wasn't a necessarily good experiment. Did they ask older contemporaries of the events during the Stonewall era persecutions? I bet the common link would be that "everyone was talking about it." What is the LGBT community talking about today? Marriage equality, right?

    That's just my 3000B.C.e. opinion. It's not really fact or research based.

    Bring it current, and people will probably be informed, I'd wager.
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    May 05, 2014 2:03 PM GMT
    Import saidDo I try and make a difference in the "LGBT community?"


    lol No. I dont.

    It's not a community.
    I'm an individual. I live my life the best way I know how. I dont consider myself part of a gay community or a brotherhood of gay men. I don't feel represented by gays, gay pride parades, drag-queens, drinking at gay bars, getting high, etc. While I have no problem with that, I don't identify with any of it.

    I live the life I want to live and surround and associate myself with people I want in my life. That's it.






    this!
  • AWashingtonia...

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    May 05, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    Import saidDo I try and make a difference in the "LGBT community?"


    lol No. I dont.

    It's not a community.
    I'm an individual. I live my life the best way I know how. I dont consider myself part of a gay community or a brotherhood of gay men. I don't feel represented by gays, gay pride parades, drag-queens, drinking at gay bars, getting high, etc. While I have no problem with that, I don't identify with any of it.

    I live the life I want to live and surround and associate myself with people I want in my life. That's it.






    I think there is a difference between the "LGBT Community" and 'gay culture. It seems people who identify with the LGBT Community want some sort of commonality between Lesbians Gay Men and Transpeople (The Lambda Community).

    I don't think one must subscribe to any lifestyle to feel represented in the LGBT (or Lambda) Community it exists and accepts and does make attempts to include any and all, including allies.

    I mean, the easiest way to win is divide and conquer, right??

    So if there is no community, who will vie for social equanimity? I know I don't want, and am unanimous in refusing, to have a sham wedding with a female just because I want healthcare, property and other rights in this Great US of A.
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    May 05, 2014 2:30 PM GMT
    TBH I don't really feel like there is any sense of 'community' on the gay scene so I just have fun and party.

    There needs to be a happy medium between the frivolous gays who care nowt for politics and the LGBT association types who have a major stick up their asses and are so sterile.
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    May 05, 2014 2:35 PM GMT
    I am not an LGBT activist but as an out man who lives a somewhat conservative lifestyle these day I feel I counter some of the stereotypes that are out there. That's a type of activism, maybe.

    Well second thought I have helped push the marriage equality petition here in Florida but I never pushed it outside of the gay community.
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    May 05, 2014 2:42 PM GMT
    I volunteered for LGBT specific and non lgbt organizations but, burned out... I over-extend

    Too intense... Going to school work volunteer and social... Was a lot, now I'm like ehhh... I need me time for.....ever.

    Never liked pride parades... Drag queens can be cool.

    Variety is good.
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    May 05, 2014 2:48 PM GMT
    Those are not the only two options. Many of us are dubious of the "LGBT community."
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    May 05, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
    There's no such thing as a gay "community." Please stop confusing cliques with communities. Only certain people are welcome in this "community" you speak of, so you should stop using that word to describe it. I help other gay people by living my life outside the closet and speak out when I see injustice, and if everyone would do that, we wouldn't need fundraisers. I used to donate to AIDS fundraisers for three different events, but now I only donate to one because I don't see gay people trying to stop this disease through safer sex. Why should I keep pouring money into something when people aren't even trying to help themselves? I give that money and time volunteered to animal welfare organizations now.
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    May 05, 2014 2:50 PM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidI like to get drunk, but that's when I get most generous with my checkbook at Philly Pride. It's a win-win.


    Well played!
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    May 05, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
    Oh I remember why I stopped ^^ Scruffy reminder!

    When I learned like... the largest budget for non profits was spent on parties... LOL

    Was like...... Wait....... What? I am free labor for your party? Fffffffffff kill yourselves.
  • TannerMasseur

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    May 05, 2014 3:07 PM GMT
    Like to know who keeps track of where all the money raised for gay fundraiser events goes.....
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    May 05, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThere's no such thing as a gay "community." Please stop confusing cliques with communities. Only certain people are welcome in this "community" you speak of, so you should stop using that word to describe it. I help other gay people by living my life outside the closet and speak out when I see injustice, and if everyone would do that, we wouldn't need fundraisers. I used to donate to AIDS fundraisers for three different events, but now I only donate to one because I don't see gay people trying to stop this disease through safer sex. Why should I keep pouring money into something when people aren't even trying to help themselves? I give that money and time volunteered to animal welfare organizations now.



    Interesting angle from the AIDS/HIV donations. I am my be biased because that is one of the main causes in my life. and you say that you don't see gay people trying to stop it from having safe sex. Well that is one angle but there are others..


    Pediatric AIDS, these innocents had no decision in their fate and need a cure as much as the next person.

    Long Term Survivors, there are still people alive from the 80s and early 90s who have fought this disease tooth and nail and who from time to time need some sort of assitance

    Heterosexual women, one of the largest growing HIV populations here in Jacksonville is women who contract it from their spouses who step outside of the marriage. And like pediatrics these are also innocent victims. Their only crime is trusting the men in their lives.

    Sex Education, surprisingly the further we get away from the height of the epidemic the less people seem to know about it. Particularly from the small rural towns where HIV is still considered a gay thing and talking about it is shunned.

    Acceptance and Responsibility, the stigma that was once associated with the straight community in the 80s and 90s is now prevalent within the gay community. People are shunned and made to feel less than a man. This attitudes keeps many people from finding the truth and doing what needs to be done so that they live a long life.


    So when you say, gays aren't having safe sex,, well, AIDS/HIV charities encompass so much more than that.
  • HottJoe

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    May 05, 2014 3:31 PM GMT
    I've always felt part of the gay community, regardless of my level of participation at any given time. I really don't get why so many of you think there's no community. I can't tell if a few bad apples have made you bitter, or if you're all misanthropes. It just sounds like a pity party up in here.