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  • bro4bro

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    May 09, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    I was trying to find a guy I met here on RJ a while back. He's a Navajo from northern Arizona. I couldn't remember his screen name or exactly where he lived so I just did a search on people who identified their race as "American Indian".

    What I found is that about 25% of those who claim to be "American Indian" live in places like Mumbai, Delhi, Pune... yep, they're Indians from India. No connection to America whatsoever.

    For those of you who are confused about your own race (and with sincere apologies to my Native American brothers), "American Indians" are the guys who shoot arrows at cowboys, dress in buckskin, live in teepees, wear feathers in their hats, and look like this:

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    If you live in India, charm cobras, eat chilled monkey brains, work in a tech support call center, and look like this:

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    your proper racial designation is "South Asian".

    This confusion could probably be avoided if RJ were to use "Native American" instead of "American Indian" to identify our indigenous American friends. I believe that designation has been preferred by the Native American population for at least the past three decades. It's a little embarrassing that a site which is ostensibly concerned with issues of social equity should use such an outmoded term.

    I wrote to the RJ admin suggesting they make a change. That was a couple weeks ago, and so far they've declined to respond.
  • bro4bro

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    May 09, 2014 5:10 PM GMT
    Some people will probably purport to be offended.

    I think most will realize that I don't personally advocate those stereotypes, and used them only to demonstrate the ridiculousness of a) RJ's use of "American Indian", and b) people who cluelessly misidentify their own race (it really shouldn't be that difficult).
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    May 09, 2014 5:10 PM GMT
    I'm sure he made the comments tongue in cheek. I highly doubt any Aboriginals (more politically correct term in Canada) still shoot bows and arrows.

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    Edit: ok so the OP beat me to the punch.

    OP: you live in a place where no one bats an eye at the terms "African-American" or "Italian-American" so cut some slack as far as the sarcasm goes if some guys from India innocently self-identify as "American-Indian". Obviously they might not be aware of the connection to Native-Americans .
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    May 09, 2014 5:17 PM GMT
    Why does this matter so much to you?


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    May 09, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    They should just have two different listings: "Dot" and "Feather".
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    May 09, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    The passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European ancestry is Euro-American.
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    May 09, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?
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    May 09, 2014 5:50 PM GMT
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Euro American
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    May 09, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Afrikaans American
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    May 09, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Afrikaans American


    Barack Obama?
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    May 09, 2014 5:55 PM GMT
    JarIan said
    theantijock said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Afrikaans American


    Barack Obama?


    http://www.ancestry.com/obama

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    May 09, 2014 5:57 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    JarIan said
    theantijock said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Afrikaans American


    Barack Obama?


    http://www.ancestry.com/obama

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    May 09, 2014 6:00 PM GMT
    JarIan said
    theantijock said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Afrikaans American


    Barack Obama?
    I guess if she is American now then she's European African American haha
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    May 09, 2014 6:01 PM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Euro American


    She's South African
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    May 09, 2014 6:08 PM GMT
    If a Chinese living in America is a Chinese American, then American Indian should technically be Americans living in India, so OP's example of "American Indian" live in places like Mumbai, Delhi, is actually more valid Native Americans.

    Historically speaking, American Indian is a term that got past down "incorrectly" because Columbus believe he has arrived in India and call the natives Indian.... And we are still stuck with this... 400 years later.
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    May 09, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    uberick saidIf a Chinese living in America is a Chinese American, then American Indian should technically be Americans living in India, so OP's example of "American Indian" live in places like Mumbai, Delhi, is actually more valid Native Americans.

    Historically speaking, American Indian is a term that got past down "incorrectly" because Columbus believe he has arrived in India and call the natives Indian.... And we are still stuck with this... 400 years later.


    What do you expect from white Anglo Saxon Muricans?
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    May 09, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    Actually, if you are an American citizen of Indian descent, you are an Indian American, not an American Indian. Indian is describing American, like Italian American or Irish American. Although Native American is the preferred term, Native American is what is meant in Ethnicity category on RJ when they say "American Indian." Also, to this day the U.S. agency that deal with Native American affairs is called The Bureau of Indian Affairs. You will also still find the word "Indian" used by Native American tribes. The tribe of the reservation in Palm Springs, CA refer to themselves as the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians. The tribe of the reservation in Mount Pleasant, MI refer to themselves as the Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe. These are two I am familiar with because of where I'vde lived, but I am sure there are many others.
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    May 09, 2014 6:15 PM GMT
    secretz said
    Sweetooth said
    JarIan said
    theantijock saidThe passé term American Indian is now and has for a while been Native American or NA for short.

    An American immigrant from India would be an Indian American, just as a black person is African American or a Chinese person is Chinese American or someone with European
    ancestry is Euro-American.


    What would you consider Charlize Theron?


    Euro American


    She's South African


    Being born in a place doesn't make you that race or culture. It's clear white people are not wanted in Africa.
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    May 09, 2014 6:17 PM GMT
    Sweetooth saidBeing born in a place doesn't make you that race or culture. It's clear white people are not wanted in Africa.

    Really? Because the white folks in South Africa have been there about as long as white folks in North America. Are you suggesting we should all just hop on back to Europe where we belong?
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    May 09, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
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    Sweetooth saidBeing born in a place doesn't make you that race or culture. It's clear white people are not wanted in Africa.

    Really? Because the white folks in South Africa have been there about as long as white folks in North America. Are you suggesting we should all just hop on back to Europe where we belong?


    Not what I said.
    The majority, at least from a quick glace, of black people in africa (I can list a lot of leaders as wel, like Mugabe)do not really appreciate white people there just like a majority of ethnic Russians do not appreciate colored people on their land etc.
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    May 09, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
    And don't get me wrong, I appreciate white people, and think my country of origin should still be a colony of France.
  • buddycat

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    May 09, 2014 6:33 PM GMT
    I think the proper name is native American instead of American Indian. Indians come from India. An American of Indian decent would be an Indian-American.
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    May 09, 2014 6:34 PM GMT
    Sweetooth saidAnd don't get me wrong, I appreciate white people, and think my country of origin should still be a colony of France.

    Algeria?
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    May 09, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
    One suggestion ?????? if i use for my example >>> African American, isnt there a system that could follow ??? look at which way the words are ordered.

    American Indian >> Native's

    Indian American >> Indian heritage

    Make sense ???
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    May 09, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    Sweetooth saidAnd don't get me wrong, I appreciate white people, and think my country of origin should still be a colony of France.

    Algeria?


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