British Gay Couples: Coats of Arms

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    May 10, 2014 3:13 PM GMT
    NYT: First, same-sex couples in Britain won the right to civil partnerships, then to full marriage. Now, they can have their own coats of arms. Tod.ay, only about 1 percent of Britons have a coat of arms, a privilege traditionally reserved for nobility and gentry

    The College of Arms, guardian of noble titles and insignia here since the 15th century, has issued a ruling that married same-sex couples may combine their heraldic symbols on a single shield as generations of heterosexual aristocracy have done before them.

    The custom for arms-bearing aristocrats joining in marriage, Mr. Noel told The Associated Press, has been “to divide a shield vertically down the middle and place the arms of the husband on one side and the arms of the wife on the other.”

    The same is now possible for same-sex couples, yet the effect is likely to be minor.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/world/europe/step-forward-into-past-for-british-gay-couples-coats-of-arms.html?hp&_r=0
  • metta

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    May 10, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
    It sounds like I would have to marry someone that is British. Hmmm. I was born in England so I'm half way there. icon_wink.gif
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    May 10, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
    That is the coolest thing ever!

    I wonder what it looks like?
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    May 12, 2014 2:25 PM GMT
    As an avid royalty watcher, this is seems like a pretty big deal. But I'm glad to see that such an old tradition is being tweaked a little bit to make things more inclusive.
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    May 12, 2014 2:52 PM GMT
    This is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!
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    May 12, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
    My ex wife's family had a coat of arms. It gave them nothing but a false air of superiority that was laughable. To me it was just a visible sign (an image hung in foyer) that no one in 500 years since it was originally bestowed did anything noteworthy. LOL!

    Big fuckin' whoop!
  • kew1

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    May 12, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    Ntyson saidThat is the coolest thing ever!

    I wonder what it looks like?


    That would depend, they are all different.
  • seafrontbloke

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    May 12, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
    First argument in new marriage: who goes left and who right on the shield
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    May 12, 2014 6:31 PM GMT
    seafrontbloke saidFirst argument in new marriage: who goes left and who right on the shield


    That would be sinister (left) and dexter (right).
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    May 12, 2014 6:36 PM GMT
    ^ Where have you been Undercoverman? Haven't seen you posting a while.
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    May 12, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
    seafrontbloke saidFirst argument in new marriage: who goes left and who right on the shield
    alphabetically is a system that usually works, working from left to right.
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    May 12, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    woodsmen said^ Where have you been Undercoverman? Haven't seen you posting a while.


    Juggling lovers
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    May 13, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    Busy loving. Good excuse!
  • FitGwynedd

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    May 13, 2014 12:28 AM GMT
    Dennis_1989 saidThis is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!


    You must be a special type of stupid
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    May 13, 2014 1:06 AM GMT
    seafrontbloke saidFirst argument in new marriage: who goes left and who right on the shield

    Could be based on which arms are more senior by heraldic rank, or by age of the 2 men.
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    May 13, 2014 1:10 AM GMT
    Dennis_1989 saidThis is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!


    Freedom hangs a monarch by the neck icon_twisted.gif
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    May 13, 2014 2:09 AM GMT
    This is almost as interesting as the same-sex penguin couple controversy.
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    May 13, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    Dennis_1989 saidThis is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!


    You must be a special type of stupid
    For no reason at all why must people direct insults ???
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    May 14, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
    Albeit it is a two tear marriage system. Straight Marriage and Gay Marriage, and not Marriage equality as the gays still can not marry in a church in Britten, only straights and bi's in a heterosexual relationship can do that.
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    May 15, 2014 9:23 AM GMT
    Decadence_of_Art saidAlbeit it is a two tear marriage system. Straight Marriage and Gay Marriage, and not Marriage equality as the gays still can not marry in a church in Britten, only straights and bi's in a heterosexual relationship can do that.


    ahem, lesbian wedding in a church.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/14/first-church-wedding-gay-couple-uk

    Apart from the CoE (& the CiW), it's up to the Church involved.
  • seafrontbloke

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    May 15, 2014 1:31 PM GMT
    Here is the answer:

    if both parties to a marriage have arms, your own arms would be dexter, your husband's sinister. You would keep your own crest. The rule for ladies is different (para 2)

    We, Garter, Clarenceux and Norroy & Ulster King of Arms, do rule, ordain and decree as follows:

    (1) A man who contracts a same-sex marriage may impale the arms of his husband with his own on a shield or banner but should bear his own crest rather than the crests of both parties. The coat of arms of each party to the marriage will be distinguishable (1) by the arms of the individual concerned being placed on the dexter side of the shield or banner and (2) by the crest (when included). When one of the parties to the marriage dies, the survivor may continue to bear the combined arms on a shield or banner.

    (2) A woman who contracts a same-sex marriage may bear arms on a shield or banner, impaling the arms of her wife with her own or (in cases where the other party is an heraldic heiress) placing the arms of her wife in pretence. The coat of arms of each party to the marriage will be distinguishable by the arms of the individual concerned being placed on the dexter side of the shield or banner (or displayed as the principal arms in cases where the other party is an heraldic heiress whose arms are borne in pretence). When one of the parties to the marriage dies, the survivor may bear the combined arms on a lozenge or banner.

    (3) A married man will continue to have the option of bearing his own arms alone. A ruling of the Kings of Arms made on 6 November 1997 allows a married woman to bear her own arms alone differenced by a small escutcheon. That will continue to be the case but the addition of the mark of difference will forthwith be optional.

    Thomas Woodcock, Garter

    Patric Dickinson, Clarenceux

    H Bedingfeld, Norroy and Ulster
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    May 15, 2014 4:32 PM GMT
    ^^ I stopped reading at: "A man who contracts a same-sex marriage may impale the arms of his husband with his own..." My mind wandered to the gutter where it feels most at home. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    May 16, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    Many marriages bring more than just two tears.
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    May 18, 2014 9:10 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Dennis89 said[/cite]
    FitGwynedd said
    Dennis_1989 saidThis is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!


    You must be a special type of stupid
    For no reason at all why must people direct insults ???[/quote

    Because that 'crown' that says you brings freedom led the most brutal, oppressive, colonial regime in history.
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    May 18, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said[quote][cite]Dennis89 said[/cite]
    FitGwynedd said
    Dennis_1989 saidThis is good news icon_smile.gif seeeee eventually the good saying i have comes to light ....... Freedom wears a crown!


    You must be a special type of stupid
    For no reason at all why must people direct insults ???[/quote

    Because that 'crown' that says you brings freedom led the most brutal, oppressive, colonial regime in history.
    No reason to call me stupid though icon_neutral.gif